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The original mono mixes of "Beggars Banquet" and "Let It Bleed" are two of the best-sounding rock LPs of all time.
...Except that both albums (with the notable exception of "Sympathy For The Devil") are proved as fold downs.
The original mastering engineers of both LP's has stated this on the Steve Hoffman forum. They also explained that "Sympathy..." was the only dedicated mono mix on those two albums. For the rest they where simply ordered to lay the two stereo channels together.
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Blueranger
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The original mono mixes of "Beggars Banquet" and "Let It Bleed" are two of the best-sounding rock LPs of all time.
...Except that both albums (with the notable exception of "Sympathy For The Devil") are proved as fold downs.
The original mastering engineers of both LP's has stated this on the Steve Hoffman forum. They also explained that "Sympathy..." was the only dedicated mono mix on those two albums. For the rest they where simply ordered to lay the two stereo channels together.
But if, say, Beggars Banquet is said to be a fold down only then I wonder why certain tracks do not only show a different mix but also a different "version" of the respective song. I positively recall Stray Cat Blues containing some added Mick Jagger lines near the end, that are mixed out on the stereo Version. I also remember "Factory Girl" being a different version with a different fiddle track or at least the fiddle being placed completely different within the mix.
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treaclefingers
On the Beatles Mono box you have Rubber Soul included in Stereo for some reason.
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treaclefingers
On the Beatles Mono box you have Rubber Soul included in Stereo for some reason.
That was apparently George Martin's 1987 mix included for completist reasons. One of the others is that way too though I forget which.
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treaclefingers
On the Beatles Mono box you have Rubber Soul included in Stereo for some reason.
That was apparently George Martin's 1987 mix included for completist reasons. One of the others is that way too though I forget which.
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treaclefingers
On the Beatles Mono box you have Rubber Soul included in Stereo for some reason.
That was apparently George Martin's 1987 mix included for completist reasons. One of the others is that way too though I forget which.
The stereo versions (absolutely awful) included in the mono box set were done by George Martin in 1965, if memory serves. I could be wrong but a quick check in the liner notes will reveal all. I think he may have done stereo mixes then for all preceding albums as stereo was becoming more important and popular at the time. Unlike the Stones, the Beatles were big monophiles and put out very few if any stereo recordings prior to 1966. They always preferred mono - even through to Sgt Peppers and the White Album. Lennon was often quoted in later years saying that the only way to listen to Sgt Peppers was in mono. Abbey Road and Let It Be were the only Beatles albums not to be mixed in mono.
Conversely, The Stones were into stereo from fairly early on. This makes the mono versions of their later Decca and early RSR output much more interesting in my view. It also makes original mono releases from 66-71 much harder to find.
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thelantern
However, with particular reference to the Dylan mono boxset, I'm less convinced about the real value (or difference) in having his early acoustic albums in mono.
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normanplace
Great stuff. I am pretty sure the early albums have a better sound in mono as the "reprocessed stereo" could bot have added anything good.
Has anyone ever listened side by side to say "Englands Newest Hitmakers" in Mono on Decca vs London. The early Beatle albums in the US were remixed by Capitol adding the mystique of Brit imports for years before the Mono box came out. I had never heard of London monkeying around with Stones mixes but it wouldn't surprise me either.
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Come On
I bought my last Stones-album on Mono 1967, Between the buttons, and it sounds beautiful. From 1968 it was almost impossible to find Mono-recordings from Decca...I would never buy a Mono-box on CD...does it sounds like an LP? I haven't met any people at my age (57) buying this CD-boxes since we know how it should sound when it't real stuff...
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Greenblues
But if, say, Beggars Banquet is said to be a fold down only then I wonder why certain tracks do not only show a different mix but also a different "version" of the respective song. I positively recall Stray Cat Blues containing some added Mick Jagger lines near the end, that are mixed out on the stereo Version. I also remember "Factory Girl" being a different version with a different fiddle track or at least the fiddle being placed completely different within the mix.
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MrEcho
Even if "Beggars Banquet" and "Let It Bleed" are fold-downs from stereo, the original mono pressings are still preferable to the stereo pressings, because ...