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................... Ford Custom - Bourke St Melbourne
ROCKMAN
True, Come On! Very sad indeed. Good cars with an original style and a lot of soul. Bad management killed the company. Now we all have to drive those perfect but soulless German cars...
Damn shame, a real Saab story.
Thanks E/Grove nice one, first time seeing this, great song
[money.cnn.com]
I stopped reading it after these lines, don't get all the ins & outs .
Could someone can summarize it for me please ?
The news that Saab Automobiles filed for bankruptcy has spurred the usual round of breast-beating, finger-pointing, and name calling.
Automotive traditionalists are understandably upset that a brand with a long and storied history like Saab has wound up on the financial chopping block. The disappearance of a boutique automaker is like the extinction of a species -- its like will never be seen again. Saab will be as dead as the dodo.
Most of the blame for Saab's failure is being laid at the feet of General Motors, which bought a half-interest in Saab in 1990 and then the rest of it a decade ago.
GM (GM, Fortune 500), the critics say, didn't understand Saab. They weren't properly appreciative of its history and heritage, diluted its brand integrity by merging it into GM's production system, and failed to support it financially or managerially.
In fact, I would argue that Saab would have expired years ago had not GM taken it under its wing two decades ago. The reason is simple: Saab was simply too small to survive in its current configuration. At a time when German luxury makers like Mercedes-Benz and BMW make more than one million cars a year, Saab never sold more than 140,000 cars a year. Even Volvo made two or three times that many cars. Low production is fatal, because the auto industry is all about economies of scale. Trying to amortize the expenses of new model engineering, not to mention increasingly stringent safety and emissions technology, requires accounting gymnastics that are all but impossible unless volumes reach the hundreds of thousands.
The future was bleak. Saab was destined to remain small because its appeal was so narrow. While its owners may have reveled in being described as "quirky," their image never extended much beyond that of the corduroy jacket, Earth shoe wearing English professor -- not a broad base from which to build. Other European brands -- notably Audi -- did a better job of expanding their appeal.
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STOCKHOLM — A court-appointed administrator for Saab on Wednesday asked a court to lift bankruptcy protection for the Swedish carmaker, effectively putting the company at the mercy of creditors, the court said.
"Administrator Guy Lofalk has requested that the bankruptcy protection for Saab be terminated," the Vaenersborg district court said in a statement after the documents were submitted to the court.
Saab has until December 15 to present an opinion, and the court will announce its decision on December 16.
Saab's charismatic chief executive Victor Muller has been trying for months to come up with a plan to rescue the brand.
His latest bid, in which Chinese carmaker Youngman and Chinese car distribution company Pang Da would buy all of Saab for 100 million euros ($134 million), faltered when Saab's former owner General Motors refused to agree to the necessary technology licence transfers to the two Chinese firms.
In a statement on Wednesday, Swan insisted it was still pursuing discussions with Youngman to allow it to continue the restructuring and especially to find wages for Saab's some 3,700 employees, whose salaries have been delayed five months running and who have yet to receive their November paychecks.
Asked by Swedish news agency TT whether Lofalk's move meant the end of the road for Saab, Muller replied "No, of course not."
He said Saab was negotiating a deal with Youngman and a Chinese bank to provide financing but without direct ownership, in a bid to circumvent GM's opposition.
However, Lofalk, who travelled to the US last week to meet with GM officials, was not optimistic about Saab's chances of success, putting much of the blame for Saab's fate on GM and its refusal to accept any deal.
"They said they saw no way forward and that it was very difficult for them to approve the proposals that have been submitted," he told TT.
"They didn't go into any detail about how one could change the proposals so they would work for them," Lofalk said, explaining he felt obliged to terminate the bankruptcy protection since Saab "has no money."
The attempts to sell Saab to Chinese partners has been seen as the last chance of saving the Swedish carmaker, which was already on the brink of bankruptcy when GM sold it to Swedish Automobile -- at the time called Spyker -- in early 2010 for $400 million.
It has been a rocky road since then. The carmaker was forced to halt production in April as suppliers stopped deliveries over mountains of unpaid bills.
Copyright © 2011 AFP. All rights reserved. More »
For those who don't know who Alain Delon is .
Not a car but a yatch
Sweet,Amsterdam .I can't recall the last time I saw that movie .
No.
If you look closely, those stickers are attached to a wind deflector mounted on the sides of the windshield.
The logo is that of Moon wheel covers, which used to be very popular in the early days of hot-rodding.
[www.mooneyesusa.com]
Ah ,I can see it now ..lol,my bad
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Re: CARS cars cars ...( not O.T if Stones related )
Posted by:
Edith Grove
()
Date: December 16, 2011 04:24
toomuchforme ?
Re: CARS cars cars ...( not O.T if Stones related )
Posted by:
SwayStones
()
Date: December 16, 2011 11:24
For you,guys -a bit tasteless & tacky....sorry 
Re: CARS cars cars ...( not O.T if Stones related )
Posted by:
Rockman
()
Date: December 17, 2011 11:59
................... Ford Custom - Bourke St Melbourne
ROCKMAN
Re: CARS cars cars ...( not O.T if Stones related )
Posted by:
Come On
()
Date: December 17, 2011 19:24
BB in a VW-cab...
2 1 2 0
2 1 2 0
Re: CARS cars cars ...( not O.T if Stones related )
Posted by:
SwayStones
()
Date: December 17, 2011 21:22
Edith Grove ?
Sweet Charmed Life ?
To be continued ....
Sweet Charmed Life ?
To be continued ....
Re: CARS cars cars ...( not O.T if Stones related )
Posted by:
Come On
()
Date: December 20, 2011 15:48
...and NOW it's over...
Saab automobile went bankrupt yesterday ..
Saab automobile went bankrupt yesterday ..
Re: CARS cars cars ...( not O.T if Stones related )
Posted by:
Sam Spade
()
Date: December 20, 2011 16:13
Was Keith talkin about this when he mentioned when the hearse pulls up
Re: CARS cars cars ...( not O.T if Stones related )
Posted by:
Stoneage
()
Date: December 20, 2011 16:14
True, Come On! Very sad indeed. Good cars with an original style and a lot of soul. Bad management killed the company. Now we all have to drive those perfect but soulless German cars...
Re: CARS cars cars ...( not O.T if Stones related )
Posted by:
Sam Spade
()
Date: December 20, 2011 16:57
Quote
Stoneage
True, Come On! Very sad indeed. Good cars with an original style and a lot of soul. Bad management killed the company. Now we all have to drive those perfect but soulless German cars...
Re: CARS cars cars ...( not O.T if Stones related )
Posted by:
Stoneage
()
Date: December 20, 2011 17:37
Nice Saab Sonett. Very few of those were built. Hang on to that one if it's yours, Sam!
Re: CARS cars cars ...( not O.T if Stones related )
Posted by:
Edith Grove
()
Date: December 20, 2011 17:53
Quote
Come On
Saab automobile went bankrupt yesterday ..
Damn shame, a real Saab story.
Re: CARS cars cars ...( not O.T if Stones related )
Posted by:
bestfour
()
Date: December 20, 2011 19:23
Quote
Edith Grove
I like brand new cars.......
Thanks E/Grove nice one, first time seeing this, great songRe: CARS cars cars ...( not O.T if Stones related )
Posted by:
SwayStones
()
Date: December 21, 2011 17:06
Quote
Come On
...and NOW it's over...
Saab automobile went bankrupt yesterday ..
[money.cnn.com]
I stopped reading it after these lines, don't get all the ins & outs .
Could someone can summarize it for me please ?
The news that Saab Automobiles filed for bankruptcy has spurred the usual round of breast-beating, finger-pointing, and name calling.
Automotive traditionalists are understandably upset that a brand with a long and storied history like Saab has wound up on the financial chopping block. The disappearance of a boutique automaker is like the extinction of a species -- its like will never be seen again. Saab will be as dead as the dodo.
Most of the blame for Saab's failure is being laid at the feet of General Motors, which bought a half-interest in Saab in 1990 and then the rest of it a decade ago.
GM (GM, Fortune 500), the critics say, didn't understand Saab. They weren't properly appreciative of its history and heritage, diluted its brand integrity by merging it into GM's production system, and failed to support it financially or managerially.
In fact, I would argue that Saab would have expired years ago had not GM taken it under its wing two decades ago. The reason is simple: Saab was simply too small to survive in its current configuration. At a time when German luxury makers like Mercedes-Benz and BMW make more than one million cars a year, Saab never sold more than 140,000 cars a year. Even Volvo made two or three times that many cars. Low production is fatal, because the auto industry is all about economies of scale. Trying to amortize the expenses of new model engineering, not to mention increasingly stringent safety and emissions technology, requires accounting gymnastics that are all but impossible unless volumes reach the hundreds of thousands.
The future was bleak. Saab was destined to remain small because its appeal was so narrow. While its owners may have reveled in being described as "quirky," their image never extended much beyond that of the corduroy jacket, Earth shoe wearing English professor -- not a broad base from which to build. Other European brands -- notably Audi -- did a better job of expanding their appeal.
[www.google.com]
STOCKHOLM — A court-appointed administrator for Saab on Wednesday asked a court to lift bankruptcy protection for the Swedish carmaker, effectively putting the company at the mercy of creditors, the court said.
"Administrator Guy Lofalk has requested that the bankruptcy protection for Saab be terminated," the Vaenersborg district court said in a statement after the documents were submitted to the court.
Saab has until December 15 to present an opinion, and the court will announce its decision on December 16.
Saab's charismatic chief executive Victor Muller has been trying for months to come up with a plan to rescue the brand.
His latest bid, in which Chinese carmaker Youngman and Chinese car distribution company Pang Da would buy all of Saab for 100 million euros ($134 million), faltered when Saab's former owner General Motors refused to agree to the necessary technology licence transfers to the two Chinese firms.
In a statement on Wednesday, Swan insisted it was still pursuing discussions with Youngman to allow it to continue the restructuring and especially to find wages for Saab's some 3,700 employees, whose salaries have been delayed five months running and who have yet to receive their November paychecks.
Asked by Swedish news agency TT whether Lofalk's move meant the end of the road for Saab, Muller replied "No, of course not."
He said Saab was negotiating a deal with Youngman and a Chinese bank to provide financing but without direct ownership, in a bid to circumvent GM's opposition.
However, Lofalk, who travelled to the US last week to meet with GM officials, was not optimistic about Saab's chances of success, putting much of the blame for Saab's fate on GM and its refusal to accept any deal.
"They said they saw no way forward and that it was very difficult for them to approve the proposals that have been submitted," he told TT.
"They didn't go into any detail about how one could change the proposals so they would work for them," Lofalk said, explaining he felt obliged to terminate the bankruptcy protection since Saab "has no money."
The attempts to sell Saab to Chinese partners has been seen as the last chance of saving the Swedish carmaker, which was already on the brink of bankruptcy when GM sold it to Swedish Automobile -- at the time called Spyker -- in early 2010 for $400 million.
It has been a rocky road since then. The carmaker was forced to halt production in April as suppliers stopped deliveries over mountains of unpaid bills.
Copyright © 2011 AFP. All rights reserved. More »
Re: CARS cars cars ...( not O.T if Stones related )
Posted by:
SwayStones
()
Date: December 21, 2011 18:55
Quote
Come On
BB in a VW-cab...
For those who don't know who Alain Delon is .
Not a car but a yatch
Re: CARS cars cars ...( not O.T if Stones related )
Posted by:
SwayStones
()
Date: December 22, 2011 18:17
What Do Rock Stars Drive?
We Look At Some of the Hottest Cars From the Hottest Stars
[autos.aol.com]
A lot of music fans like their road machines the way like they like their rock n’ roll: loud, fast, and sometimes flashy.
Indeed, a connection been car culture and rock culture was forged early on, in the time when R&B was first evolving into rock n’ roll. When rock music first came along in the early-to-mid-1950s, it was also a time when car culture was burgeoning in post-war America, due in part to the explosion of suburbia -- which for a lot of folks meant that the grocery store, barber shop and movie theater were no longer within walking distance. More and more Americans were buying cars; in some cases, more extravagant ones.
To most American youth of that era, cars and rock n’ roll each represented an escape -- a means of “getting away,” either physically or emotionally, from what they felt was oppression -- either from “adult culture” in general or their parents in particular.
And God knows there have been about a million rock songs written over the years about cars or driving -- from Ike Turner’s “Rocket ‘88” to Sir Mack Rice’s “Mustang Sally” to about a dozen Bruce Springsteen turnpike operas about racing in the streets, cruising with his baby, and getting under the hood to give that street rod a little more torque.
And, that connection between cars and rock n’ roll continues to this day. So it makes sense that there are several museums and other organizations that have compiled collections of cars owned by rock stars -- or at least rock artists whose music has meant so much to so many fans over the years.
One extensive and very cool current exhibit is Rock Stars’ Cars & Guitars 2 at The Henry Ford museum in Dearborn, Michigan, just a couple of miles from the Ford Motor Company’s world headquarters. The temporary but summer-long exhibit, which was unveiled in May and runs through September, features more than 20 classic rock-star cars and other artifacts, mostly vintage guitars. This is actually the second go-round for such an exhibit at the Henry Ford, which presented the first edition in 2007.
Another, permanent (but smaller) collection of rock star cars is at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, in Cleveland. Three of the cars at The Henry Ford’s current exhibit are on loan from the Hall of Fame’s collection.
We've rounded up the best from this exhibit here in our gallery.
Additional vehicles on display at the Henry Ford’s Rock Stars’ Cars & Guitars 2 exhibit include Kid Rock’s 1967 Lincoln Continental; Snoop Dogg’s ’67 Cadillac Fleetwood with a chandelier in the back seat; Elvis Presley’s 1973 Cadillac Eldorado Custom Coupe, and a 1940 Ford Coupe owned by Mike Ness of Social Distortion, among others. And another vehicle that is currently part of the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame’s collection is Johnny Cash’s tour bus, which includes a table top made from wood taken from a Tennessee farmhouse near the Cash family’s ancestral home -- a farmhouse that General Ulysses S. Grant used as his headquarters.
We Look At Some of the Hottest Cars From the Hottest Stars
[autos.aol.com]
A lot of music fans like their road machines the way like they like their rock n’ roll: loud, fast, and sometimes flashy.
Indeed, a connection been car culture and rock culture was forged early on, in the time when R&B was first evolving into rock n’ roll. When rock music first came along in the early-to-mid-1950s, it was also a time when car culture was burgeoning in post-war America, due in part to the explosion of suburbia -- which for a lot of folks meant that the grocery store, barber shop and movie theater were no longer within walking distance. More and more Americans were buying cars; in some cases, more extravagant ones.
To most American youth of that era, cars and rock n’ roll each represented an escape -- a means of “getting away,” either physically or emotionally, from what they felt was oppression -- either from “adult culture” in general or their parents in particular.
And God knows there have been about a million rock songs written over the years about cars or driving -- from Ike Turner’s “Rocket ‘88” to Sir Mack Rice’s “Mustang Sally” to about a dozen Bruce Springsteen turnpike operas about racing in the streets, cruising with his baby, and getting under the hood to give that street rod a little more torque.
And, that connection between cars and rock n’ roll continues to this day. So it makes sense that there are several museums and other organizations that have compiled collections of cars owned by rock stars -- or at least rock artists whose music has meant so much to so many fans over the years.
One extensive and very cool current exhibit is Rock Stars’ Cars & Guitars 2 at The Henry Ford museum in Dearborn, Michigan, just a couple of miles from the Ford Motor Company’s world headquarters. The temporary but summer-long exhibit, which was unveiled in May and runs through September, features more than 20 classic rock-star cars and other artifacts, mostly vintage guitars. This is actually the second go-round for such an exhibit at the Henry Ford, which presented the first edition in 2007.
Another, permanent (but smaller) collection of rock star cars is at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, in Cleveland. Three of the cars at The Henry Ford’s current exhibit are on loan from the Hall of Fame’s collection.
We've rounded up the best from this exhibit here in our gallery.
Additional vehicles on display at the Henry Ford’s Rock Stars’ Cars & Guitars 2 exhibit include Kid Rock’s 1967 Lincoln Continental; Snoop Dogg’s ’67 Cadillac Fleetwood with a chandelier in the back seat; Elvis Presley’s 1973 Cadillac Eldorado Custom Coupe, and a 1940 Ford Coupe owned by Mike Ness of Social Distortion, among others. And another vehicle that is currently part of the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame’s collection is Johnny Cash’s tour bus, which includes a table top made from wood taken from a Tennessee farmhouse near the Cash family’s ancestral home -- a farmhouse that General Ulysses S. Grant used as his headquarters.
Re: CARS cars cars ...( not O.T if Stones related )
Posted by:
Anonymous User
()
Date: December 22, 2011 19:39
"Follow them sailors"
Re: CARS cars cars ...( not O.T if Stones related )
Posted by:
Edith Grove
()
Date: December 22, 2011 21:41
The greatest-ever Stock Car driver, Dale Earnhardt, driving the black #3 Chevrolet, doing what he does best.
Here, he wins for the last time, driving like a mad man to the front of the field after running 17th with only four laps to go:
Here, he wins for the last time, driving like a mad man to the front of the field after running 17th with only four laps to go:
Re: CARS cars cars ...( not O.T if Stones related )
Posted by:
Edith Grove
()
Date: January 1, 2012 00:39
Re: CARS cars cars ...( not O.T if Stones related )
Posted by:
Edith Grove
()
Date: January 1, 2012 00:42
Re: CARS cars cars ...( not O.T if Stones related )
Posted by:
SwayStones
()
Date: January 2, 2012 11:30
That's funny,EG.
Are those stickers on the woman's trousers on the 1st pic smileys Be Happy ?
Are those stickers on the woman's trousers on the 1st pic smileys Be Happy ?
Re: CARS cars cars ...( not O.T if Stones related )
Posted by:
SwayStones
()
Date: January 2, 2012 11:31
Quote
Amsterdamned
"Follow them sailors"
Sweet,Amsterdam .I can't recall the last time I saw that movie .
Re: CARS cars cars ...( not O.T if Stones related )
Posted by:
SwayStones
()
Date: January 2, 2012 11:33
That one must have been posted dozens of time ...
Re: CARS cars cars ...( not O.T if Stones related )
Posted by:
Edith Grove
()
Date: January 2, 2012 13:09
Quote
SwayStones
That's funny,EG.
Are those stickers on the woman's trousers on the 1st pic smileys Be Happy ?
No.
If you look closely, those stickers are attached to a wind deflector mounted on the sides of the windshield.
The logo is that of Moon wheel covers, which used to be very popular in the early days of hot-rodding.
[www.mooneyesusa.com]
Re: CARS cars cars ...( not O.T if Stones related )
Posted by:
SwayStones
()
Date: January 2, 2012 19:21
Quote
Edith GroveQuote
SwayStones
That's funny,EG.
Are those stickers on the woman's trousers on the 1st pic smileys Be Happy ?
No.
If you look closely, those stickers are attached to a wind deflector mounted on the sides of the windshield.
The logo is that of Moon wheel covers, which used to be very popular in the early days of hot-rodding.
[www.mooneyesusa.com]
Ah ,I can see it now ..lol,my bad
Re: CARS cars cars ...( not O.T if Stones related )
Posted by:
Anonymous User
()
Date: January 2, 2012 19:43
Sweet,Amsterdam .I can't recall the last time I saw that movie .<SwayStones>
That's why I posted it.
That's why I posted it.
Re: CARS cars cars ...( not O.T if Stones related )
Posted by:
SwayStones
()
Date: January 3, 2012 19:57
Keith Richards famously drove his Shadow into a hotel swimming pool; what Rolls Royce thought of this is not recorded...
What's the story ?
What's the story ?
Re: CARS cars cars ...( not O.T if Stones related )
Posted by:
Claire_M
()
Date: January 3, 2012 20:10
I saw a vintage Shelby Mustang GT500 yesterday, cherry red. Gaw - sex on wheels!
Re: CARS cars cars ...( not O.T if Stones related )
Posted by:
Medzvel
()
Date: January 10, 2012 01:33
Re: CARS cars cars ...( not O.T if Stones related )
Posted by:
SwayStones
()
Date: January 10, 2012 13:15
Wow ,Medzvel, is it this car I posted about some weeks ago ?
Formerly owned by Rolling Stone Mick Jagger. Property of the Peter Black Car Collection
FORD GALAXIE 500 CONVERTIBLE
Year: 1964
Chassis No. 47 OA 88 1 RO 78808
Engine No. T.B.A.
Light blue with dark blue vinyl interior
Engine: V8, 390ci, 300bhp at 4,600rpm; Gearbox: three speed automatic; Brakes: four wheel drum; Suspension: front, independent, rear, live axle. Right hand drive.
Model history
Ford introduced the Galaxie in 1959. It was always a model which was offered in a variety of configurations, ranging from Sedans and Country Squire Wagons to Convertibles and even with removable hard tops, as well as a host of optional extras from power seats to air conditioning. Along the way the pillarless 'Starliner' styling was added to the range, then different interior trim options as the model came into its own.
Originally, engines ranged from a 200hp 292 cubic inch to a 300hp 352 cubic inch V8, but progressively this was broadened at both ends with a six cylinder 'Mileage Maker' option joining the line up and then increasingly large V8s developed for the car, which would lead it to competitive use.
After two years the model underwent a re-style which was commended with awards from the Centro per L'Alta Moda Italiana, meaning 'functional expression of classic beauty'.
By 1964 when this car was built, the range consisted of 16 bodystyles, the interior was entirely revised and a new grill and panel design arrived.
Specific history of this car
The early history of this Ford Galaxie Convertible is not known, until the late 1970s it is documented as having been purchased by Mick Jagger in 1978.
That same year would see The Stones touring America and the release of their latest album 'Some Girls', with hits such as 'Miss you' and 'Shattered'. While through his ownership of the car, the albums 'Tattoo You' and 'Undercover' were released and in 1982 the group toured Europe.
After 5 years, Jagger sold the car and it was offered as a prize by The Sun Newspaper in the U.K. It was later sold at auction in Leeds in the U.K. when it was purchased for a British Collection where it has remained ever since.
A right hand drive example the Ford is today in presentable order. It has been repainted at some stage, but this now shows some age while the interior is probably the original, and retains its gold beading bands to the seats.
The car is running but not currently U.K. road taxed.
Formerly owned by Rolling Stone Mick Jagger. Property of the Peter Black Car Collection
FORD GALAXIE 500 CONVERTIBLE
Year: 1964
Chassis No. 47 OA 88 1 RO 78808
Engine No. T.B.A.
Light blue with dark blue vinyl interior
Engine: V8, 390ci, 300bhp at 4,600rpm; Gearbox: three speed automatic; Brakes: four wheel drum; Suspension: front, independent, rear, live axle. Right hand drive.
Model history
Ford introduced the Galaxie in 1959. It was always a model which was offered in a variety of configurations, ranging from Sedans and Country Squire Wagons to Convertibles and even with removable hard tops, as well as a host of optional extras from power seats to air conditioning. Along the way the pillarless 'Starliner' styling was added to the range, then different interior trim options as the model came into its own.
Originally, engines ranged from a 200hp 292 cubic inch to a 300hp 352 cubic inch V8, but progressively this was broadened at both ends with a six cylinder 'Mileage Maker' option joining the line up and then increasingly large V8s developed for the car, which would lead it to competitive use.
After two years the model underwent a re-style which was commended with awards from the Centro per L'Alta Moda Italiana, meaning 'functional expression of classic beauty'.
By 1964 when this car was built, the range consisted of 16 bodystyles, the interior was entirely revised and a new grill and panel design arrived.
Specific history of this car
The early history of this Ford Galaxie Convertible is not known, until the late 1970s it is documented as having been purchased by Mick Jagger in 1978.
That same year would see The Stones touring America and the release of their latest album 'Some Girls', with hits such as 'Miss you' and 'Shattered'. While through his ownership of the car, the albums 'Tattoo You' and 'Undercover' were released and in 1982 the group toured Europe.
After 5 years, Jagger sold the car and it was offered as a prize by The Sun Newspaper in the U.K. It was later sold at auction in Leeds in the U.K. when it was purchased for a British Collection where it has remained ever since.
A right hand drive example the Ford is today in presentable order. It has been repainted at some stage, but this now shows some age while the interior is probably the original, and retains its gold beading bands to the seats.
The car is running but not currently U.K. road taxed.
Re: CARS cars cars ...( not O.T if Stones related )
Posted by:
Edith Grove
()
Date: January 13, 2012 19:09
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