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Brian wasnt a lead guitarist, Keith wasnt either but he did the solos in the Stones and became the only guitar player. But the main guitar in Mona is the rhythm, In Rooster it's the slide, I cant be satisfied is all about the slide and the bass. Last Time is all about the main riff. And so on.
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Brian wasnt a lead guitarist, Keith wasnt either but he did the solos in the Stones and became the only guitar player. But the main guitar in Mona is the rhythm, In Rooster it's the slide, I cant be satisfied is all about the slide and the bass. Last Time is all about the main riff. And so on.
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I like the solo in 'Time is on my side' the best....
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Redhotcarpet
Brian wasnt a lead guitarist, Keith wasnt either but he did the solos in the Stones and became the only guitar player. But the main guitar in Mona is the rhythm, In Rooster it's the slide, I cant be satisfied is all about the slide and the bass. Last Time is all about the main riff. And so on.
There is a guitar solo in TLT that also deserves a mention, imo
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Regarding who plays slide on Jigsaw Puzzle, the Satanic Sessions bootleg CD featuring them recording it leaves no doubt as to who the slide player is. I never really thought it was Brian and the CD confirmed that, but it also revealed that Bill played the bass, which did suprise me as I thought for years that it was Keith who played bass on the track.
Do I understand you correct? You are saying that "Jigsaw Puzzle" was recorded in 1967 for "Their Satanic Majesties Request", but was finally used for "Beggars Banquet"?
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I can't be satisfied is a great slide solo.
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Redhotcarpet
Brian wasnt a lead guitarist, Keith wasnt either but he did the solos in the Stones and became the only guitar player. But the main guitar in Mona is the rhythm, In Rooster it's the slide, I cant be satisfied is all about the slide and the bass. Last Time is all about the main riff. And so on.
There is a guitar solo in TLT that also deserves a mention, imo
I'm assuming you mean the Last Time. Brian plays the main repetitve riff that dominates the song. Keith plays the rythmn and overdubs the lead in the middle. Still Brian's part completely makes it a classic. And Bill stated that Brian came up with that part on his own. Sure would have liked to see him get a song writing credit for it. He deserved one.
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I can't be satisfied is a great slide solo.
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One of his best. I like to compare it to Keith's lead on Down the Road Apiece for technical skill and Imo Brian is equal to Keith. Brian played roughly half the solos on Rolling Stones #2. After that album his guitar soloing got sparse. Keith often claimed Brian quit playing guitar after the first couple of albums. Maybe he was referring to the diminished soloing on Brian's part after that.
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It doesn't matter. Just pointing out if was an overdub that gives the song three guitar parts. And yes those solos are very different. Slide and standard. I was comparing the difficulty of both and they are roughly the same. Brian on aftermath? Slide on Bother. Probably the fuzz guitar on Think. 12 string on Helper. Not the sitar that has always been reported. Not much. Played to many other things which was perfect for the album. The stones had to change and evolve to keep up with the Beatles.
As for song writing credit? It can work anyway you want it. John got a credit on Paul's. Vice versa. They may have contributed nothing to the song. Some bands the whole band would get a credit. Brian co wrote Ruby Tuesday with no credit. Mick admitted he had nothing to do with the song but got credited. I'm sure Oldham had a hand in that.
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Ry Cooder is pretty average without the slide as well
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Ry Cooder is pretty average without the slide as well
I disagree. You easily can recognize Ry whatever he plays. You can't say that about average players.
Very true. Jagger/Richards and Lennon/McCartney shouldn't be seen as facts about who wrote the song. Heck, even Mick admitted in 67 for italian TV that they were all authors of their songs but that they labeled them Jagger/Richards anyway.Quote
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As for song writing credit? It can work anyway you want it. John got a credit on Paul's. Vice versa. They may have contributed nothing to the song. Some bands the whole band would get a credit. Brian co wrote Ruby Tuesday with no credit. Mick admitted he had nothing to do with the song but got credited. I'm sure Oldham had a hand in that.
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I'm a Brian fan too, but I concede that most solos are all Keith.
Here's a test for the "Time Is on My Side" / "Tell Me" solos:
When "Some Girls" was released and we heard that familiar "old" Stonesian guitar sound
on "Respectable" and "Far Away Eyes", the same as we last heard on "Happy" and "Wild Horses",
you come to the conclusion that the guy responsible who played that guitar was still here.
It wasn't Ronnie, and it sure wasn't Brian.
It was Keith.
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He probably didn't play guitar on the track at all. It wasn't that unusual at the time
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He probably didn't play guitar on the track at all. It wasn't that unusual at the time
I have to believe he did. Bill Wyman lists him as playing guitar on the track.
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He probably didn't play guitar on the track at all. It wasn't that unusual at the time
I have to believe he did. Bill Wyman lists him as playing guitar on the track.
But Bill has lots of stuff wrong in his books
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TheDailyBuzzherd
I'm a Brian fan too, but I concede that most solos are all Keith.
Here's a test for the "Time Is on My Side" / "Tell Me" solos:
When "Some Girls" was released and we heard that familiar "old" Stonesian guitar sound
on "Respectable" and "Far Away Eyes", the same as we last heard on "Happy" and "Wild Horses",
you come to the conclusion that the guy responsible who played that guitar was still here.
It wasn't Ronnie, and it sure wasn't Brian.
It was Keith.
Not understanding your rationale here. Woody plays a lap steel on " Far Away Eyes" that is awesome by the way. I don't understand how that wasn't Ronnie. What does that have to do with Time and Tell Me? No one really disputes that it is Keith on Time. Tell Me different story. There is no concrete proof that Brian didn't play the solo. Just assumed. Still sounds like his Gretsch to me and at the end of the solo he strums the bass notes before going back to the electric rythmn part. Keith still playing the 12 string acoustic. It doesn't make sense that Brian sat there and just watched. Bill Wyman credits Brian as playing on the track. So what did he play then? It would not make sense for Keith to write on an acoustic and tell Brian to play it while he did a different part. Bill credits both Brian and Keith with guitar and backing vocals. He doesn't specify who did what. Brian is also credited with tambourine. Bill could clear it up.
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Redhotcarpet
Brian wasnt a lead guitarist, Keith wasnt either but he did the solos in the Stones and became the only guitar player. But the main guitar in Mona is the rhythm, In Rooster it's the slide, I cant be satisfied is all about the slide and the bass. Last Time is all about the main riff. And so on.
There is a guitar solo in TLT that also deserves a mention, imo
I'm assuming you mean the Last Time. Brian plays the main repetitve riff that dominates the song. Keith plays the rythmn and overdubs the lead in the middle. Still Brian's part completely makes it a classic. And Bill stated that Brian came up with that part on his own. Sure would have liked to see him get a song writing credit for it. He deserved one.
Yep, the guitar solo in The Last Time is also important for the song. Why does it matter if it was an overdub? It is a studio track.
Waddy didn't get credits for the guitar-motif in Saint Of Me either, it's not necessarily the way it works.
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This live 1965 video is interesting because Keith can hardly be heard and so Brian's guitar dominates and it shows Brian's rhythm playing and fills very clearly.
Brian's Firebird/Fender Amp combo sounds pretty good.
The opening fills and end riff on the first song and especially the 12 bar rhythm playing (Reelin and a Rockin) have some amp grit and then he seems to turn down the amp and clean up a bit for Satisfaction.