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IMO, that's not correct. I don't think many rock bands had the Beach Boys as their number one role models. Even though McCartney said he admired Wilson, that doesn't mean that all the great bands from the 60s and 70s based their way of arranging the vocals, verses, hooks and choruses on inspiration off the Beach Boys.
Did they look to the Beatles when they did? I think so. The Beatles was the biggest band in the world. The Beach Boys wasn't.
McCartney may have picked up some inspiration from the Beach Boys. I strongly doubt Lennon or Harrison ever did.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2011-05-25 15:50 by DandelionPowderman.
As did the Everlys (the Beatles' main vocal model) and the various vocal groups that the Beach Boys used to model their sound.
I think the vocal duet style Mick & Keith developed on Exile songs like Casino Boogie, Black Angel and Torn & Frayed showed what they could do vocally. Really amazing.
+ 1 (would have added Wild Horses as well, even though it's only the choruses - hauntingly beautiful, imo).
yes, singing in monotone is still singing.
hmmm. While I loved Harrison, Lennon tops them all for pure rock and roll force. And Macca is the grandaddy of versatility and range. His range is far greater than Jagger. I love Jagger and what he does with The Stones...but...
I love them both.
Like I love red wine and I love a beautiful sunset.
Why can't you love two different things?
It's no big deal.
The Beatles couldn't do The Stones and The Stones couldn't do the Beatles.
Both great - but different.
Harrison a better singer than Lennon...
WHERE BE SILLY ROCKMAN? DID HE GET A NEW NANNY? I THINK SO
hmmm...dunno if I agree with that. I liked "I Wanna Be Your Man" by the RS.
Neither did I.
Macca and Lennon never respeceted Harrison - their Ego's were too big.
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOO!! I'm cryin from laughing so hard!!!
--------------------------------
"Doctor please, some more men please,
To Cotchford Farm, out by the pool...
What a drag it is they couldn't revive him"
Brian Jones 2/28/42 - 7/2/69
Macca's vocals on I'm Down and Helter Skelter are hard to beat as far as rock'n'roll singing goes. Pure Little Richard.
Paul's rock voice as you say on Helter Skelter and also on Long Tall Sally, I'm down, Oh Darling, Birthday and loads of others is awesome and up there with the best.
He did Little Richard better than Little Richard.
He recorded I'm Down and Yesterday on the same day!!! One extreme to the other.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2011-05-25 23:38 by GravityBoy.
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It's not even well-written and sounds like the words coming from a 10-year old.
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Re: McCartney says Stones were jealous of The Beatles because of greater singing talent
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
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Date: May 25, 2011 15:49
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keefriffhard4lifeQuote
DandelionPowderman
The Beatles became the role models for every band on the planet, as far as vocal arrangements go. There is no competition.
But the Stones found their own sound, and that go for the vocals as well. You don't need more than that when it works.
i think THE BEACH BOYS did that more than the beatles
IMO, that's not correct. I don't think many rock bands had the Beach Boys as their number one role models. Even though McCartney said he admired Wilson, that doesn't mean that all the great bands from the 60s and 70s based their way of arranging the vocals, verses, hooks and choruses on inspiration off the Beach Boys.
Did they look to the Beatles when they did? I think so. The Beatles was the biggest band in the world. The Beach Boys wasn't.
McCartney may have picked up some inspiration from the Beach Boys. I strongly doubt Lennon or Harrison ever did.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2011-05-25 15:50 by DandelionPowderman.
Re: McCartney says Stones were jealous of The Beatles because of greater singing talent
Posted by:
ab
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Date: May 25, 2011 15:53
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keefriffhard4lifeQuote
DandelionPowderman
The Beatles became the role models for every band on the planet, as far as vocal arrangements go. There is no competition.
But the Stones found their own sound, and that go for the vocals as well. You don't need more than that when it works.
i think THE BEACH BOYS did that more than the beatles
As did the Everlys (the Beatles' main vocal model) and the various vocal groups that the Beach Boys used to model their sound.
Re: McCartney says Stones were jealous of The Beatles because of greater singing talent
Posted by:
Sleepy City
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Date: May 25, 2011 16:00
Who cares what one of the former Beat-Less says or thinks anyway...
Re: McCartney says Stones were jealous of The Beatles because of greater singing talent
Posted by:
71Tele
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Date: May 25, 2011 16:06
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whitem8
Stones greatest with harmonies? Probably a lot of the stuff on Some Girls where they were actually singing three part harmonies.
Next would be most of Exile with Mick and Keith singing almost dual leads ala Sam and Dave, especially Casino Boogie.
The Beatles, Because. Listen to the isolated vocal track from Anthology. Brilliant!
Also This Boy and Yes It Is. Great three part harmonies.
Flying is fun because it is the only Lennon, McCartney, Harrison, Star composition and they are all singing on it.
I think the vocal duet style Mick & Keith developed on Exile songs like Casino Boogie, Black Angel and Torn & Frayed showed what they could do vocally. Really amazing.
Re: McCartney says Stones were jealous of The Beatles because of greater singing talent
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
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Date: May 25, 2011 16:15
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71TeleQuote
whitem8
Stones greatest with harmonies? Probably a lot of the stuff on Some Girls where they were actually singing three part harmonies.
Next would be most of Exile with Mick and Keith singing almost dual leads ala Sam and Dave, especially Casino Boogie.
The Beatles, Because. Listen to the isolated vocal track from Anthology. Brilliant!
Also This Boy and Yes It Is. Great three part harmonies.
Flying is fun because it is the only Lennon, McCartney, Harrison, Star composition and they are all singing on it.
I think the vocal duet style Mick & Keith developed on Exile songs like Casino Boogie, Black Angel and Torn & Frayed showed what they could do vocally. Really amazing.
+ 1 (would have added Wild Horses as well, even though it's only the choruses - hauntingly beautiful, imo).
Re: McCartney says Stones were jealous of The Beatles because of greater singing talent
Posted by:
treaclefingers
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Date: May 25, 2011 16:47
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ineedadrinki pity people that think that way.Quote
Bliss
I would never call Ringo a singer. Or even a drummer, actually.
yes, singing in monotone is still singing.
Re: McCartney says Stones were jealous of The Beatles because of greater singing talent
Posted by:
mtaylor
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Date: May 25, 2011 17:38
Mick Jagger overrules all of them.
In order of best singers in Beatles: Harrison, Lennon, Macca, Ringo. Ringo I would call a bad singer.
Keith in the 60'ies -> 80'ies was much better. Even Bill and Mick T are better singers than Ringo.
In order of best singers in Beatles: Harrison, Lennon, Macca, Ringo. Ringo I would call a bad singer.
Keith in the 60'ies -> 80'ies was much better. Even Bill and Mick T are better singers than Ringo.
Re: McCartney says Stones were jealous of The Beatles because of greater singing talent
Posted by:
5string
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Date: May 25, 2011 17:42
Yeah--they've got 4 lead singers and we're stuck with this Mick Jagger guy. We'll never go anywhere with him! HA!
Re: McCartney says Stones were jealous of The Beatles because of greater singing talent
Posted by:
whitem8
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Date: May 25, 2011 17:53
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mtaylor
Mick Jagger overrules all of them.
In order of best singers in Beatles: Harrison, Lennon, Macca, Ringo. Ringo I would call a bad singer.
Keith in the 60'ies -> 80'ies was much better. Even Bill and Mick T are better singers than Ringo.
hmmm. While I loved Harrison, Lennon tops them all for pure rock and roll force. And Macca is the grandaddy of versatility and range. His range is far greater than Jagger. I love Jagger and what he does with The Stones...but...
Re: McCartney says Stones were jealous of The Beatles because of greater singing talent
Posted by:
stones78
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Date: May 25, 2011 18:13
Lennon was a master of singing low harmonies (If I Fell) and Keith was a master of high harmonies, I wonder how they've sounded together.
Re: McCartney says Stones were jealous of The Beatles because of greater singing talent
Posted by:
ineedadrink
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Date: May 25, 2011 18:19
i think some stones fans are afraid or unwilling to admit that the beatles were more talented and more musically-interesting, individually and as a collective unit, than the stones were because they're trapped in the beatles vs. stones, can't love them both, mentality.
Re: McCartney says Stones were jealous of The Beatles because of greater singing talent
Posted by:
GravityBoy
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Date: May 25, 2011 18:22
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ineedadrink
i think some stones fans are afraid or unwilling to admit that the beatles were more talented and more musically-interesting, individually and as a collective unit, than the stones were because they're trapped in the beatles vs. stones, can't love them both, mentality.
I love them both.
Like I love red wine and I love a beautiful sunset.
Why can't you love two different things?
It's no big deal.
The Beatles couldn't do The Stones and The Stones couldn't do the Beatles.
Both great - but different.
Re: McCartney says Stones were jealous of The Beatles because of greater singing talent
Posted by:
Come On
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Date: May 25, 2011 18:23
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mtaylor
Mick Jagger overrules all of them.
In order of best singers in Beatles: Harrison, Lennon, Macca, Ringo. Ringo I would call a bad singer.
Keith in the 60'ies -> 80'ies was much better. Even Bill and Mick T are better singers than Ringo.
Harrison a better singer than Lennon...
Re: McCartney says Stones were jealous of The Beatles because of greater singing talent
Posted by:
CrissCrossMind
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Date: May 25, 2011 18:37
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Rockman
Hey yeah dude ....
I coulda been a bit more graphic but didn't wanna up-set them there city folk......
ROCK, MEZ (en-clude-den mez rural "Country" friends) DON'T LIKE THEM THERE LOUD YAPPIN' CROWS Take care of it "God's Country" style - submit for yer total approval, DIG !!
NOW THESE CROWES YOU LEAVE ALONE - WHEN THEY ROCK THIS GOOD
YOU JUST TURN IT UP TO #11 and LET IT BLOW YOUR F-ING MIND !!!
WHERE BE SILLY ROCKMAN? DID HE GET A NEW NANNY? I THINK SO
Re: McCartney says Stones were jealous of The Beatles because of greater singing talent
Posted by:
Green Lady
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Date: May 25, 2011 18:53
Complete interview - so you can see how important the bit about the Stones is in the context...
But the clucking journalists (thanks, Max'sKansasCity!) only want to manufacture conflict where none existed, so that's what they report.
But the clucking journalists (thanks, Max'sKansasCity!) only want to manufacture conflict where none existed, so that's what they report.
Re: McCartney says Stones were jealous of The Beatles because of greater singing talent
Posted by:
treaclefingers
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Date: May 25, 2011 18:57
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GravityBoyQuote
ineedadrink
i think some stones fans are afraid or unwilling to admit that the beatles were more talented and more musically-interesting, individually and as a collective unit, than the stones were because they're trapped in the beatles vs. stones, can't love them both, mentality.
I love them both.
Like I love red wine and I love a beautiful sunset.
Why can't you love two different things?
It's no big deal.
The Beatles couldn't do The Stones and The Stones couldn't do the Beatles.
Both great - but different.
hmmm...dunno if I agree with that. I liked "I Wanna Be Your Man" by the RS.
Re: McCartney says Stones were jealous of The Beatles because of greater singing talent
Posted by:
jpasc95
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Date: May 25, 2011 19:22
Don't know if P McCartney said that about the Stones but I am sure that I've heard Mick Jagger answering in an interview in French or English (I don't remember) that he never liked the music of the Beatles
Re: McCartney says Stones were jealous of The Beatles because of greater singing talent
Posted by:
mtaylor
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Date: May 25, 2011 19:40
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jpasc95
Don't know if P McCartney said that about the Stones but I am sure that I've heard Mick Jagger answering in an interview in French or English (I don't remember) that he never liked the music of the Beatles
Neither did I.
Re: McCartney says Stones were jealous of The Beatles because of greater singing talent
Posted by:
mtaylor
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Date: May 25, 2011 19:56
Listen to: Here Comes the Sun, Something, While My Guitar Gently Weeps, My Sweet Lord etc. - great singing.Quote
Come OnQuote
mtaylor
Mick Jagger overrules all of them.
In order of best singers in Beatles: Harrison, Lennon, Macca, Ringo. Ringo I would call a bad singer.
Keith in the 60'ies -> 80'ies was much better. Even Bill and Mick T are better singers than Ringo.
Harrison a better singer than Lennon...
Macca and Lennon never respeceted Harrison - their Ego's were too big.
Re: McCartney says Stones were jealous of The Beatles because of greater singing talent
Posted by:
ineedadrink
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Date: May 25, 2011 20:16
if mick jagger told you to jump off a cliff, would you?
Re: McCartney says Stones were jealous of The Beatles because of greater singing talent
Posted by:
MissNBrian
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Date: May 25, 2011 20:26
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boston2006Quote
Rockman
Yeah but they never got near those Keith back-up vocals....Like a crow in a caught in a rabbit trap
I don't remember on what song Kieth was about to sing bit Mick introduced it as
" Kieth's gonna croak out a couple for ya " . Always thought that was a good line .
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOO!! I'm cryin from laughing so hard!!!
--------------------------------
"Doctor please, some more men please,
To Cotchford Farm, out by the pool...
What a drag it is they couldn't revive him"
Brian Jones 2/28/42 - 7/2/69
Re: McCartney says Stones were jealous of The Beatles because of greater singing talent
Posted by:
Silver Dagger
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Date: May 25, 2011 23:03
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whitem8Quote
mtaylor
Mick Jagger overrules all of them.
In order of best singers in Beatles: Harrison, Lennon, Macca, Ringo. Ringo I would call a bad singer.
Keith in the 60'ies -> 80'ies was much better. Even Bill and Mick T are better singers than Ringo.
hmmm. While I loved Harrison, Lennon tops them all for pure rock and roll force. And Macca is the grandaddy of versatility and range. His range is far greater than Jagger. I love Jagger and what he does with The Stones...but...
Macca's vocals on I'm Down and Helter Skelter are hard to beat as far as rock'n'roll singing goes. Pure Little Richard.
Re: McCartney says Stones were jealous of The Beatles because of greater singing talent
Posted by:
24FPS
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Date: May 25, 2011 23:20
Why denigrate the Beach Boys? They preceded the Beatles. Their main vocal influence was an American vocal group, The Four Freshmen. The Beach Boys were huge worldwide. They appear to have been especially big in England. England might have been more receptive to them with albums like Pet Sounds, when they were seen as a singles only band in the U.S.A.
The Beatles main vocal influence was the Everly Brothers and the multi-tracking records of Buddy Holly. The Beatles paid homage to The Beach Boys on Back in the U.S.S.R. I don't see hear where the Beach Boys ever copied the Beatles.
The Stones spent the early years struggling with their vocals, until it was basically Mick multi-tracking the harmonies. Harmonies were not part of the cadre of Blues and R&B singers that influenced them. It's almost funny that their early attempts at harmony are practically laughable.
The Beach Boys and The Beatles are the greatest harmony groups of the Rock Era. It was not a requirement in the Stones camp.
The Beatles main vocal influence was the Everly Brothers and the multi-tracking records of Buddy Holly. The Beatles paid homage to The Beach Boys on Back in the U.S.S.R. I don't see hear where the Beach Boys ever copied the Beatles.
The Stones spent the early years struggling with their vocals, until it was basically Mick multi-tracking the harmonies. Harmonies were not part of the cadre of Blues and R&B singers that influenced them. It's almost funny that their early attempts at harmony are practically laughable.
The Beach Boys and The Beatles are the greatest harmony groups of the Rock Era. It was not a requirement in the Stones camp.
Re: McCartney says Stones were jealous of The Beatles because of greater singing talent
Posted by:
GravityBoy
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Date: May 25, 2011 23:37
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Silver Dagger
Macca's vocals on I'm Down and Helter Skelter are hard to beat as far as rock'n'roll singing goes. Pure Little Richard.
Paul's rock voice as you say on Helter Skelter and also on Long Tall Sally, I'm down, Oh Darling, Birthday and loads of others is awesome and up there with the best.
He did Little Richard better than Little Richard.
He recorded I'm Down and Yesterday on the same day!!! One extreme to the other.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2011-05-25 23:38 by GravityBoy.
Re: McCartney says Stones were jealous of The Beatles because of greater singing talent
Posted by:
Come On
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Date: May 25, 2011 23:43
Nah, no-one beats Penniman on 'Long Tall Sally'..outstanding...
2 1 2 0
2 1 2 0
Re: McCartney says Stones were jealous of The Beatles because of greater singing talent
Posted by:
Blueranger
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Date: May 25, 2011 23:58
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carlostones10
Paul who? again this idiot. The people lost many time with a big crap like this guy. Sorry, but he is just a stupid. He is just the first Justin Bieber or Justin Timberlake in the world.
Sorry if you are beatles fan but i don´t have patience with this crap of guy.
And sorry my outflow
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It's not even well-written and sounds like the words coming from a 10-year old.
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Re: McCartney says Stones were jealous of The Beatles because of greater singing talent
Posted by:
MKjan
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Date: May 26, 2011 00:05
Paul is good with the ballads but his singing on the so called rockers seem
lame and contrived.
lame and contrived.
Re: McCartney says Stones were jealous of The Beatles because of greater singing talent
Posted by:
FreeBird
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Date: May 26, 2011 00:13
Because they deserve it. Harmonies shouldn't be overused.Quote
24FPS
Why denigrate the Beach Boys?
Re: McCartney says Stones were jealous of The Beatles because of greater singing talent
Posted by:
24FPS
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Date: May 26, 2011 00:35
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FreeBirdBecause they deserve it. Harmonies shouldn't be overused.Quote
24FPS
Why denigrate the Beach Boys?
Overuse them all day if you can do this:
Re: McCartney says Stones were jealous of The Beatles because of greater singing talent
Posted by:
24FPS
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Date: May 26, 2011 00:36
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