I don't know if anyone post this video before but I think it's a great soundcheck in a great sound quality. Unfortunately I coudn't convert it to MP3.
1. 0:00 - Mick Jagger practicing Japanese
2. 1:55 - Tumbling Dice
3. 6:01 - Silver Train Take 1
4. 9:04 - Silver Train Take 2
5. 14:17 - Silver Train Take 3
6. 19:08 - Angie
7. 22:46 - Happy
8. 28:34 - All Down The Line Take 1
9. 32:57 - All Down The Line Take 2
10. 38:53 - Ruby Tuesday Take 1
11. 42:18 - Ruby Tuesday Take 2
12. 43:08 - Respectable Take 1
13. 44:49 - Respectable Take 2
14. 48:39 - Doom & Gloom
15. 54:02 - You Can't Always Get What You Want







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Cool post, thanks!

This was posted a while back but I can't find the thread. Very fun to hear the rehearsals but unfortunately it sounds like Mick's in-ear mix. The entire band is in the background of the mix so we can't hear too much really. A fun listen though!

Mick must really love Chuck's playing

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It is surprising but I bet Mick gets all the guitars he wants and more directly from the amps.. Darrel sounds great, it's too bad we don't get the same presence from him in the house mix..



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Mick must really love Chuck's playing

It is surprising but I bet Mick gets all the guitars he wants and more directly from the amps.. Darrel sounds great, it's too bad we don't get the same presence from him in the house mix..

Agreed on all accounts. The other aspect is that Chuck is essentially the musical director at this point. He keeps everyone on track, does the count-ins, etc...

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Mick must really love Chuck's playing

It is surprising but I bet Mick gets all the guitars he wants and more directly from the amps.. Darrel sounds great, it's too bad we don't get the same presence from him in the house mix..

Agree! This might be Mick's monitor mix. But Darryl does indeed sound better. you can actually pick him out....maybe's he better than most of us give him credit for!

peace

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Mick must really love Chuck's playing

It is surprising but I bet Mick gets all the guitars he wants and more directly from the amps.. Darrel sounds great, it's too bad we don't get the same presence from him in the house mix..

Agree! This might be Mick's monitor mix. But Darryl does indeed sound better. you can actually pick him out....maybe's he better than most of us give him credit for!

peace

Sorry to say he sounds like mush in the audience, perhaps it is a result of the "look ma no compressors" theory FOH preaches. Always bad to run with a concept rather than your ears but I won't dare explore more. They are great at mixing the most fun job in the world especially if no one tells the band the bass sound has no definition.. Does Mick even know that the bass sounds so different for us? He has to have a different picture if this is what he hears from Darrell, pretty Bill-esque in fact. Chuck too, to some extent his sound seems more organic in the monitor mix, less plinky..



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Mick must really love Chuck's playing

It is surprising but I bet Mick gets all the guitars he wants and more directly from the amps.. Darrel sounds great, it's too bad we don't get the same presence from him in the house mix..

Agree! This might be Mick's monitor mix. But Darryl does indeed sound better. you can actually pick him out....maybe's he better than most of us give him credit for!

peace

Sorry to say he sounds like mush in the audience, perhaps it is a result of the "look ma no compressors" theory FOH preaches. Always bad to run with a concept rather than your ears but I won't dare explore more. They are great at mixing the most fun job in the world especially if no one tells the band the bass sound has no definition.. Does Mick even know that the bass sounds so different for us? He has to have a different picture if this is what he hears from Darrell, pretty Bill-esque in fact. Chuck too, to some extent his sound seems more organic in the monitor mix, less plinky..

Lol, had to sneak that in there didn't you? Not sure why we get the undefined bass mix in the Stones live shows but extra dynamics from a non compressed signal surely ain't the reason....maybe just turning him up a bit would help?

peace



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Oh I thought it was an actual video, that stuff came out on one of the Tokyo "boxes" from last year.

As for Darryl, he never sounded better than during the PPV in 12/2013, guess the PPV broadcaster made the call as to what the bass should sound like...

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Great post thanks......

Is it me or do Jaggers vocals sound much more relaxed, and dare I say it, better?

What a drag it is gettin' old

Jagger's not in performance mode, saving his voice, what you like may be the presence that gets lost in big venues largely because of the concept of the presentation. Once the tour is announced I think there should be a thread requesting to turn up the bass. Maybe they simply don't know! If it's purposeful, I can't see the purpose since there's no "competing" instrument. Back in the days when Betts and Haynes were in the Allmans I remember going to The Beacon the first night of a series. Warren was as loud as Dickey in the house and on the top of his game. Betts usually great was left in the dust. The next night Haynes was much lower in the mix and Betts turned up to the point where he couldn't stand in front of his own amp. He stood in front of Haynes' amp and left Warren to suffer with Betts' cranked Marshall Major loaded with 4 chrome capped 100 watt JBL's. Needless to say the shows suffered, I hope The Stones are above doing that to Darrell and it's just the FOH's misconception. This "monitor" mix was very eye opening, some bad stuff, some good. There clearly is reverb on the vocals btw.



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Haynes left Betts in the dust years ago, imo. No disrespect to Mr. Betts, he had a great run but seems to be waning in his later years. Warren on the other hand seems to still work his craft with a passion and along with Derek Trucks did a superb job of keeping the ABB fresh and the musicianship high. I think that kind of show suffering behavior by Betts is precisely what got him booted from the band. I doubt it was a FOH deliberate move in the Allmans show since that Marshall of Betts by itself could affect the mix in the way you describe at a venue like the Beacon.

As far as Darryl goes, it is truly perplexing to me why we don't actually hear him more in the live show mixes. At times, I've looked at his fingers moving on the bass guitar just to convince myself that he's playing! The other guitars were way up front this last tour but sometimes seemed lost in time without the sound of the bass holding them down. Could just be that his more jazzy style doesn't have the natural attack to cut through the mix and turning him up has proven to muddy the whole mix. In any case, it sure hasn't been the same since Bill Wyman left and makes me realize just how important Bill was to the Stones sound.

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Well the interview with the house engineer clearly stated there are no floor subs. Does that mean no subs at all being flown? It seems to me there's plenty of snap in the bass in this monitor mix, frankly I was shocked. Although there's very little bass drum in this mix I could not help but notice the "lock" between the bass and bass drum seemed amorphous. As far as The Allmans this happened pretty early on in the Haynes' years. He was absolutely pulled down in the house and Dickey enforced this whenever he saw the audience reaction start to look away from himself. Warren solved this by playing less aggressively but he was distraught. These guys playing in major bands for decades lose much of their careers for their bosses, being on retainer, retains. While they are paid ok, guys like this who have a dozen or more years in a project deserve some audience love and respect from the principles.



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I must have missed the part about the subs...sounds strange to me in this day and age. I too was shocked at the bass sound in that mix. It's possible that most the 6 string guitar frequencies are eq'ed out of Darryls mix and without a sub to hit the audience with the low end, his punch and overall sound is unfortunately somewhat lost, and as a paid underling, who is he to complain?

It's possible the actual Stones are completely unaware of this loss since they can dial him up to their satisfaction in their monitor mixes, and I doubt they listen to the FOH mixes after the shows or even years later.

Maybe someone on here who is a bootleg specialist can point us to some recording where we can hear the bass guitar a bit better in the mix. I for one would like to hear what Darryl is doing!

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