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northernale1
awesome hopefully neither cohl or live nation get them,, maybe somebody who is a actuall fan will promote,, and make it a good show
So you think K&M have been manipulated by Cohl during all these years, and they've let the band go Vegas... I think K&M have been approving Cohl's suggestions.
They need the Evil Canadian, and they won't tour without him.
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skipstone
Ha ha ha ha ha ha -
WHAT TOUR?
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Rocky Dijon
Agreed, arrogance and stupidity are a bad combination. As in insulting people and taking a rock band comprised of pensioners too seriously.
It's only rock 'n' roll even if fans are right or wrong in predicting the future.
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Wuudy
On a side note: I heard many times that Jagger has a map or something in his room indicating where the tour turns into profit, I was always under the assumption that they get garanteed money for the show, hence they can't lose money so they are always making profit.
Any insight on this?
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SwayStones
Sorry if it has been posted before ....
He is credited with inventing the modern rock tour and has recently gained much attention for producing Spider-Man: Turn off the Dark, the most expensive Broadway musical ever.
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James Kirk
Do you really think the mighty Rolling Stones are going to play 500 seat clubs on a nightly basis? GET REAL!!!
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James Kirk
(did anybody see U2's 360 tour?)
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melillo
well if nothing else at least the tour is now confirmed lol
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melillo
well if nothing else at least the tour is now confirmed lol
I wouldn't call that a confirmation. The same thing was being howled about LAST year.
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Wuudy
On a side note: I heard many times that Jagger has a map or something in his room indicating where the tour turns into profit, I was always under the assumption that they get garanteed money for the show, hence they can't lose money so they are always making profit.
Any insight on this?
It has to do with money put out, which is commonly referred to as 'fronting' money - to pay for the stage etc...this is where sponsorship comes in from beer or car companies etc to make sure all involved get THEIR pay while the Stones are relying strictly on interest put into a certain account from ticket sales. In a way, that's the investment to get things rolling.
Although I'm not recalling what amount, I do remember reading that the Stones do put X-amount of money up front from the beginning (they can, of course, and it's an investment).
As it is, Cohl guarantees X-amount of money TO the Stones, which goes for what I'm not sure about, I'm guessing their bank accounts, to make sure they get paid for each performance at the most possible in regards to keeping the show going, regardless, of course, of actual attendance/tickets bought.
Once that invested money has caught up to the money that has been fronted, 'they', The Rolling Stones company, start to make profit. The guaranteed money per show is part of an average cost per show (I'm guessing that's how it works, which makes the most sense anyway) that helps pay the deficit back that the Stones (or most likely the promoter) has fronted and those people make their money back. At some point that profit starts to pay into costs, to "pay back" the money fronted from the sponsor - they make up THAT part as well in otherwords, above the money from the sponsor - the gravy - sponsor pays X-amount to have their product and then at some point the Stones are even making money on that "rental" since they "allowed" that to help front things - it's all essentially a gigantic version of a bank, much like how a record deal is nothing more than a loan that a band has to pay back no matter what - and at that point, the tour is out of the red and is in the black - it's paying for itself after getting helped to get going, with the fronted money, of course.
In the end, The Rolling Stones are guaranteed a certain amount for each show period. I'm sure this is part of the 'how rich Mick Jagger is' misconception that exists - they, the Stoens, don't actually make all that money. But they do get a nice bit of it.
Don't quote me on any of this being factual, I'm just shooting from the hip with this and it's just what I can remember having read a bit here and there. It's probably a good bit off of 100%, ha ha, but it's the basic part of it. Or in otherwords, it goes something like that.
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Wuudy
I heard many times that Jagger has a map or something in his room indicating where the tour turns into profit
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sweetcharmedlife
Done deal.
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James Kirk
I was responding to all the negativity of people who claim the Stones are putting on "Vegas shows/warhorse heavy" these days.
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Gazza
It speaks volumes that fans are OK that this is the only thing that does...
...what do you suggest we do about it, Gazza??
I for my part, go to a rock'n'roll show to enjoy the MUSIC -
and up till now, the Stones have never let me down.
Maybe I was 'lucky'; who can or will say...
But I DO know for sure that I'm hard to please - you bet ya.
And I especially don't give a hoot about what's going on behind any scene;
and I don't feel angry or envyous or ... because of any money that is earned behind those scenes.
If a show is too expensive for my taste, I won't go - end of story.
Thats it on a nutshell. Personally, when any act wont play a note unless theyve been offered a few million quid a NIGHT to do so, then their motives for doing what they profess to love doing are questionable to say the least. The ability to still entertain isnt up for debate - whether their hearts are in it is another matter.
Whether thats still enough to get a ticket buyer excited, well thats a question of personal taste.