Love it! Isn't that from 25x5? That VHS and Hot Rocks was my introduction to the Stones!

I think I remember seeing this on VH1 or MTV way back when.

Unfortunately the "candid" songwriting footage was staged for the cameras. It was produced by Lorne Michaels, of Saturday Night Live fame. It is from the documentary "25x5". In the bigger picture, it was part of the marketing for the 1989 comeback tour. They were keen to show that Mick and keith had healed World War III. Hence Jagger saying for the cameras "Yes! Put an A Minor chord in there!" instead of just doing it.

Interesting about Lorne Michaels being involved in the production of 25x5. It always struck as being "The Rolling Stones for Dummies". I still have my VHS copy after watching it exactly once.

The Jagger/Richards songwriting interaction seen really does look staged...but I confess I bought into it in 1989.

Crappy disappointing song!

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Crappy disappointing song!

Understood...they will do better next time and next time and even the next time. Stay tuned

do you think since then, they ever right songs that way, just like tossing chords around like that?

The last Rolling Stones single I recognized immediately upon hearing Charlie's drums and Bill's bass.

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Interesting about Lorne Michaels being involved in the production of 25x5. It always struck as being "The Rolling Stones for Dummies". I still have my VHS copy after watching it exactly once.

The Jagger/Richards songwriting interaction seen really does look staged...but I confess I bought into it in 1989.

Agreed punkfloyd! I really like 25x5, but yes you are right it is a simplified version of their story. I too believed the songwriting footage when I first saw it, but with hindsight realised how staged it was. Interesting to see Jagger vocalise and 'direct' the staged lines. He is a smart man, is our Jagger. He takes much criticism for his showbiz tactics, but I guess they would have sunk decades ago without him pushing them along like this. And yes, VERY interesting to note Lorne Michaels was the Executive Producer of "25x5". Calculated product, but not necessarily a bad little film. And it did a great job bumping the 1989 tour.



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last time Charlie styled his hair was during that era...

yeah - today - knowing what we know- this seems really lame

Why was Mick's Demotions a number 5 hit and Almost Hear You Sigh only made it as high as number 50 (U.S.)?! Listeners of 1989 got it completely backward.

Jagger's a great stage performer but he's a crappy actor.

Of course it is not entirely real, but looking at it today I don't find it that outrageously staged at all. Like there was still a few grains of actual truth present. maybe they had just finalized the chord structure and said "Quick, let's do it for the cameras".
So great to hear Bill's bass. DJ is so different.
Beautiful harmonies by Bernard and Keith. I've always loved the harmonies in the chorus of this song.
Plus this song has one of my very favorite Charlie crashes ever. It introduces the last repeat of the BU vocals doing "You're not the only one". In this video it is at 4.03

"We need another chord in there..."

OK.

Anyway... at the intro you can sing "Once upon a time I was your little Rooster...", also "I had a dream last night I was piloting a plane.." and it fits.

They've been writing the same song for 23 years.



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Mick's demotions.

Like Keith as musical director.

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Of course it is not entirely real, but looking at it today I don't find it that outrageously staged at all. Like there was still a few grains of actual truth present. maybe they had just finalized the chord structure and said "Quick, let's do it for the cameras".
So great to hear Bill's bass. DJ is so different.
Beautiful harmonies by Bernard and Keith. I've always loved the harmonies in the chorus of this song.
Plus this song has one of my very favorite Charlie crashes ever. It introduces the last repeat of the BU vocals doing "You're not the only one". In this video it is at 4.03

I agree with you regarding the harmonies Palace Revolution. Those harmonies are very sweet.

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Of course it is not entirely real, but looking at it today I don't find it that outrageously staged at all. Like there was still a few grains of actual truth present. maybe they had just finalized the chord structure and said "Quick, let's do it for the cameras".

Totally agree. As documentary filmmaker myself I can say that there is no such thing as one hundred percent "real" captured on film. All that goes into the camera lens - to some degree is staged.

25x5 IS A GOOD FILM. Why does everyone on this board seem to find negativity in evertything that these guys do?? Its tiresome, As Palace and Proudmary write above you have yo stage some for the camera no matter what when making a film. The only thiung incorrect is the title. Should be 25X8 to include Brian, Mick T and IanStewart. I loved the film when it came out and wish it would get a dvd release.

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I still have my VHS copy after watching it exactly once.

I wore mine off... And I still think it was a fine doc.

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The Jagger/Richards songwriting interaction seen really does look staged...but I confess I bought into it in 1989.

So did I. I was young and naive...

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Crappy disappointing song!

Whats the matter with it? tell us.

I´ts real. Why should they have to act this? If the camera has been rolling for hours in the studio don´t you think they should have a material for a few minutes?

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Interesting about Lorne Michaels being involved in the production of 25x5. It always struck as being "The Rolling Stones for Dummies". I still have my VHS copy after watching it exactly once.

Well, I think every Stones biography trying to capture the story in one film or book is basically "for Dummies", since none of them is directed to the hardcore fans who know the story already by heart.

But there was something really high-class, never seen material in 25x5, which I think made it very importnat release at the time, such as "You Can't Always Get What You Want" footage from ROCK AND ROLL CIRCUS and the truck promo for 1975 American Tour 1975. I haven't seen CROSS FIRE HURRICANE yet but I suspect it has anything such striking new footage to offer. And actually 25x5 had also 'new' footage of the band - the topic of this thread - that CROSSFIRE HURRICANE actually didn't have in the end (despite the rumours).

But yeah, basically every career-covering documment is a thing to watch once. There usullly is just some short clipses of footage (and being so short just makes one angry), and once you have watched it all through, you already know the story and what is has to offer. But I remember watching that ROCK AND ROLL CIRCUS number again and again from my VHS tape of 25x5, and thinking it was about the coolest piece I ever seen (by then)...

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Crappy disappointing song!

Whats the matter with it? tell us.

Just one of this stupid, unmatured comments - crappy this, crappy that...

I used to love this film and watched it numerous times back in the day. And yes it had the previously unseen footage from R&R circus in it as well as the latest footage. Great film, but maybe dated now. Hence the reason for Crossfire Hurricane.

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I used to love this film and watched it numerous times back in the day. And yes it had the previously unseen footage from R&R circus in it as well as the latest footage. Great film, but maybe dated now. Hence the reason for Crossfire Hurricane.

Very ironic comment as 25x5 ends in 1989 but Crossfire Hurricaine ends in 1982.
What are the odds that they make a sequel to CH?

Anyways, I adored 25x5 when it came out, and I bought into it too.

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Crappy disappointing song!

Whats the matter with it? tell us.

Mixed Emotions is a quite monotonic song. It's just moves along like a metronone. I did not make that comment gratituously just to be negative. The chorus is not too bad and there are some nice notes there, but it is sandwiched between monotonic verses and there is simply no swing there at all.

Mixed Emotions and Don't Stop are two songs by the Stones that are unfortunately quite forgettable. Don't Stop suffers from a lame monotonic chorus.

Both songs sound pretty good on first listen, but are pretty forgettable by the 10th listen. If you could somhow put the verses from Don't Stop together with the chorus from Mixed Emotions you might have a decent song!

You will find that lots of the people that love the Stones will be quite critical of some of the stuff that they do. The Stones are only human after all and simply cannot put out never ending stuff comparable to their best material. Again, it's not gratituous criticism, it's a kind of "tough love" kind of criticism. By the same token, I acknowledge that they are old, and I don't really care, they don't have to prove anything to me. The Stones from 1968 to 1972 epresent a high water mark that may never be surpassed by any rock group.

a monotonic metronome
always puts me in the zone.

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I used to love this film and watched it numerous times back in the day. And yes it had the previously unseen footage from R&R circus in it as well as the latest footage. Great film, but maybe dated now. Hence the reason for Crossfire Hurricane.

Very ironic comment as 25x5 ends in 1989 but Crossfire Hurricaine ends in 1982.
What are the odds that they make a sequel to CH?

Anyways, I adored 25x5 when it came out, and I bought into it too.

I meant the style of the film is dated.

The other video I had was of their promo videos for the singles with a strange commentary by bill and Mick called video rewind.