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Stoneage
Has anyone ever asked Mick or Keith why they still do so many warhorses? And why they (the warhorses) sound the same from concert to concert? Through the years I have a developed an allergy against them. Am I the only one? If there will be a new tour: Do you think half (or more) of the setlists will consist of warhorses this time around too?
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Justin
Laziness + mistrusting the audience = warhorse-filled setlists.
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sweetcharmedlifeWhich is the same thing almost every other major act does.Quote
Justin
Laziness + mistrusting the audience = warhorse-filled setlists.
Well their's The Eagles,Fleetwood Mac,Aerosmith,Tom Petty just off the top of my head. Any big ticket act feels trapped by the same formula.Quote
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sweetcharmedlifeWhich is the same thing almost every other major act does.Quote
Justin
Laziness + mistrusting the audience = warhorse-filled setlists.
The Who I'll give you, but I can think of plenty who dont. Especially acts of a similar vintage.
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SoulPlunderer
Guess what regular fans (not hardcores like us) want to hear when they buy a ticket to the Stones. Oh yeah, Brown Sugar, Satisfaction, Jumping Jack Flash etc. The songs they know and love from the radio and the Stones compilations.
It's supply and demand people, fans want to see the hits and who are the Stones to deny them that? Especially at the prices of the tickets!!!
People talk about challenging the audience and Mick underestimating them but really this is just hardcore fans wishing to hear more obscure songs live. But in all honesty, are fans going to react to say, Time Waits For No One in the way that they do to Start Me Up? No they aren't.
I get that people want to hear their favourites that casual fans don't know very much but hey only represent a small minority of the audience. Question their artistic integrity, but the fans now are different than they were in the past and they go to a concert for a good time, a night out and to see a show. Add intothe fact that people expect each tour to be the last, then if it's the last time they ever see the Stones, they'll wanna hear Brown Sugar.
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Justin
Close to 50 years later and we still assume that fans only know the 40 Licks stuff?? And if they don't...God forbid...could it be possible that they might enjoy what they hear? I"ve been to countless concerts where I heard an unknown song and said "What is that song?? Where can I find it??" And bam made me love the artist more. Hell, to some fans a song like "You Got Me Rockin" could be an unknown song...so why not switch that song for another lesser known song?
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Rockman
What is STU?
A truely amazing top-class book about Ian Stewart ...........
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SoulPlunderer
Guess what regular fans (not hardcores like us) want to hear when they buy a ticket to the Stones. Oh yeah, Brown Sugar, Satisfaction, Jumping Jack Flash etc. The songs they know and love from the radio and the Stones compilations.
It's supply and demand people, fans want to see the hits and who are the Stones to deny them that? Especially at the prices of the tickets!!!
People talk about challenging the audience and Mick underestimating them but really this is just hardcore fans wishing to hear more obscure songs live. But in all honesty, are fans going to react to say, Time Waits For No One in the way that they do to Start Me Up? No they aren't.
I get that people want to hear their favourites that casual fans don't know very much but hey only represent a small minority of the audience. Question their artistic integrity, but the fans now are different than they were in the past and they go to a concert for a good time, a night out and to see a show. Add intothe fact that people expect each tour to be the last, then if it's the last time they ever see the Stones, they'll wanna hear Brown Sugar.
They can still play Brown Sugar, JJF, Satisfaction, STU and HTW. Casual fans can at least hear these 5 tunes and walk away happy. That leaves at least 10-12 other vacant spots for other songs. But what do they do? Fill it up with second tier warhorses: IORR, YGMR, YCAGWYW, Sympathy and on and on and on. Every damn album contains at least 1 warhorse on it. So chances of fans having the albums, and listening to them the whole way through are very high. So why not include "Time Waits For No One"" Surely, they would connect the dots and go "Oh that's that song with "It's Only Rock and Roll" that's a cool song!
Close to 50 years later and we still assume that fans only know the 40 Licks stuff?? And if they don't...God forbid...could it be possible that they might enjoy what they hear? I"ve been to countless concerts where I heard an unknown song and said "What is that song?? Where can I find it??" And bam made me love the artist more. Hell, to some fans a song like "You Got Me Rockin" could be an unknown song...so why not switch that song for another lesser known song?
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Stoneage
Justin: So you mean keith is the weak link? He can't bother with different arrangements and only likes to "noodle" through the songs. Sadly, your probably right. Bob Dylan at least tries different arrangements on the songs from time to time (not always brilliant, but different at least). I'm getting to the point that I would accept medleys of warhorses - just to mix it up! I mean the "tourists" in the public (obviously they are 90 %...) wouldn't hear the difference anyway!
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SoulPlunderer
Guess what regular fans (not hardcores like us) want to hear when they buy a ticket to the Stones. Oh yeah, Brown Sugar, Satisfaction, Jumping Jack Flash etc. The songs they know and love from the radio and the Stones compilations.
It's supply and demand people, fans want to see the hits and who are the Stones to deny them that? Especially at the prices of the tickets!!!
People talk about challenging the audience and Mick underestimating them but really this is just hardcore fans wishing to hear more obscure songs live. But in all honesty, are fans going to react to say, Time Waits For No One in the way that they do to Start Me Up? No they aren't.
I get that people want to hear their favourites that casual fans don't know very much but hey only represent a small minority of the audience. Question their artistic integrity, but the fans now are different than they were in the past and they go to a concert for a good time, a night out and to see a show. Add intothe fact that people expect each tour to be the last, then if it's the last time they ever see the Stones, they'll wanna hear Brown Sugar.
They can still play Brown Sugar, JJF, Satisfaction, STU and HTW. Casual fans can at least hear these 5 tunes and walk away happy. That leaves at least 10-12 other vacant spots for other songs. But what do they do? Fill it up with second tier warhorses: IORR, YGMR, YCAGWYW, Sympathy and on and on and on. Every damn album contains at least 1 warhorse on it. So chances of fans having the albums, and listening to them the whole way through are very high. So why not include "Time Waits For No One"" Surely, they would connect the dots and go "Oh that's that song with "It's Only Rock and Roll" that's a cool song!
Close to 50 years later and we still assume that fans only know the 40 Licks stuff?? And if they don't...God forbid...could it be possible that they might enjoy what they hear? I"ve been to countless concerts where I heard an unknown song and said "What is that song?? Where can I find it??" And bam made me love the artist more. Hell, to some fans a song like "You Got Me Rockin" could be an unknown song...so why not switch that song for another lesser known song?
Unique band. 250 million records sold in 50 years, and the 6 million people who see them every tour only know and can only enjoy songs that were on a 2002 compilation. Otherwise they'll walk out.
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sweetcharmedlifeWell their's The Eagles,Fleetwood Mac,Aerosmith,Tom Petty just off the top of my head. Any big ticket act feels trapped by the same formula.Quote
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sweetcharmedlifeWhich is the same thing almost every other major act does.Quote
Justin
Laziness + mistrusting the audience = warhorse-filled setlists.
The Who I'll give you, but I can think of plenty who dont. Especially acts of a similar vintage.