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Ronnie iz Rawesome!!!!!
You were at a great show!
Ron is definitely a stone.
You know Brian is dead right?
Right. Woody was new and thrown head first into a Stones tour. Also, Woody had just got off a Faces tour, with another Faces tour right after the Stones tour... All in one year, 1975!!
They played Angie, but skipped Wild Horses in 1976.
He wasn´t a Rolling Stone on Some Girls? Hm, on my copy he was...
You cannot blame the Stones for waisting his skills.
They used his skills from the waist down?
They are good at it, Keith and Mick are the boss...Taylor and Ron know all about it.
Jones and Taylor were team players as well but they were strikers. They were there to score. And they did that, and their team won. Ronnie is a all around player, usually a middle field player but able to share also some of the offense and defence duties, or whatever is needed. But he is not the man who could make the team to win by his goals or with his individual efforts. It is clear that the teams pay a lot more for high-profile strikers as Jones and Taylor - it's that extra talent or 'x-factor' that makes them so valuable. They can win the matches sometimes just with their individual effort. The Woods can be favourites of their team-mates and 'morally' important plyers but that doesn't translate in their wages. Nor with a higher respect by the media or even specialists.
But I think the Stones of 1978 were the greatest team ever been. They needed to change their tactics to survive (by 1976 it was clear that the old tactics created during the early 70's does not work anymore), and they did that. Never they have had so much band spirit and each of them sharing so much of responsibilities. Wyman's passes hit the right man ever needed; the Richards-Wood middle-field played Brasil-like flaw football, helped by Jagger. They didn't need any spefic strikers to score.. the three-guitar attack did it.
- Doxa
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-04-08 14:23 by Doxa.
One would think so. He was certainly a vital part of the band, but I didn't learn until recently that he was not made an "official" and "equal" member of the band until around 1990 or so, which is to say he finally started getting paid as much as Charlie and Bill, which Bill and Charlie had a lot to do with persuading Mick and Keith to finally do for him.
Three guitar attack? Three guitar defence I would say.
I thought it was Bill Wyman quitting the band that opened the door, not that Wyman persuaded anyone. It just made sense, and was easy(didnt take money from Mick and Kieth) at that point that Ronnie should have Wymans ownership in the band... of course I am not sure... others may know the exact details.
Think of Brazil of 1982 World Cup in terms of defence and attack... only with the expection that Stones wins the cup...
But I don't know how this team would do against the Stones of 1972 or 1973... I just claim that the team of 1978 is the best team in this sense that they communicate and support each other - read each other's minds - better than any other team does... (probably only matched by very early 1963/64 version of the team.) I guess the best team in terms of results is probably that of 1969.
- Doxa
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-04-08 14:38 by Doxa.
I agree that the best team does not necessarily win the world cup. I'am from Holland as you might have noticed
The waist?
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LA FRIDAY- Ode to Ronnie
Posted by:
toomuchforme
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Date: April 7, 2012 17:12
Was Ronnie in 76 as good as during the 75 tour ? I will have to listen again the european tour.
LA FRIDAY : have you listened carefully to If you' can't rock me and Gimme Shelter. Ronnie's work is fantastic !
"we know it's a bit late but we hope you don't mind if we stay"
LA FRIDAY : have you listened carefully to If you' can't rock me and Gimme Shelter. Ronnie's work is fantastic !
"we know it's a bit late but we hope you don't mind if we stay"
Re: LA FRIDAY- Ode to Ronnie
Posted by:
Munichhilton
()
Date: April 7, 2012 17:15
And YCAGWYW
If that doesn't give you pause, I dare say you're not a Stones fan. Just a bitcher.
Ron is awesome.....I love that man
If that doesn't give you pause, I dare say you're not a Stones fan. Just a bitcher.
Ron is awesome.....I love that man
Re: LA FRIDAY- Ode to Ronnie
Posted by:
Max'sKansasCity
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Date: April 7, 2012 17:22
Quote
Munichhilton
Ron is awesome.....I love that man
Ronnie iz Rawesome!!!!!
Re: LA FRIDAY- Ode to Ronnie
Posted by:
Palace Revolution 2000
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Date: April 7, 2012 17:22
I think he carried on in the zone. In 76 they substituted AllDown the Line, Angie, Gimme Shelter and Fingerprint File for the new 'Black & Blue' tracks.
While he had been shining on slide in ADTL, on Bass in FF, leadwork on GS, the newer tracks might have been closer to him, in that he could fel more ownership. And "Hey Negrita" was his own song naturally. So he did a fine take on Perkins' solo on HOF (much better than in late era), tore "Negrita" and "Hot Stuff" up. I always thought "Hot Stuff" worked really well ion live stage in 76.
And his solos on YCAGWYW IMO only got better once they hit London and Paris.
While he had been shining on slide in ADTL, on Bass in FF, leadwork on GS, the newer tracks might have been closer to him, in that he could fel more ownership. And "Hey Negrita" was his own song naturally. So he did a fine take on Perkins' solo on HOF (much better than in late era), tore "Negrita" and "Hot Stuff" up. I always thought "Hot Stuff" worked really well ion live stage in 76.
And his solos on YCAGWYW IMO only got better once they hit London and Paris.
Re: LA FRIDAY- Ode to Ronnie
Posted by:
kristian
()
Date: April 7, 2012 20:56
I was there in Frankfurt during their opening night of European tour 1976.
Ron was not a Rolling Stone that night, almost well though he played, and hasn´t been ever since.
He is (used to be) a great Faces guitar player, writer, background singer etc - but a Rolling Stone?
Never in my sweet short life of mine have I felt like that.
I´ve never been a Ronnie-basher, but he just doesn´t fit in.
Well, I´m not the one to hire new members, so just take this as a form of Easter crap.
Ron was not a Rolling Stone that night, almost well though he played, and hasn´t been ever since.
He is (used to be) a great Faces guitar player, writer, background singer etc - but a Rolling Stone?
Never in my sweet short life of mine have I felt like that.
I´ve never been a Ronnie-basher, but he just doesn´t fit in.
Well, I´m not the one to hire new members, so just take this as a form of Easter crap.
Re: LA FRIDAY- Ode to Ronnie
Posted by:
marko
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Date: April 7, 2012 21:01
I think he shined on Hot stuff and fool to cry.
Re: LA FRIDAY- Ode to Ronnie
Posted by:
Munichhilton
()
Date: April 7, 2012 21:15
Quote
kristian
I was there in Frankfurt during their opening night of European tour 1976.
Ron was not a Rolling Stone that night, almost well though he played, and hasn´t been ever since.
He is (used to be) a great Faces guitar player, writer, background singer etc - but a Rolling Stone?
Never in my sweet short life of mine have I felt like that.
I´ve never been a Ronnie-basher, but he just doesn´t fit in.
Well, I´m not the one to hire new members, so just take this as a form of Easter crap.
You were at a great show!
Ron is definitely a stone.
You know Brian is dead right?
Re: LA FRIDAY- Ode to Ronnie
Posted by:
Honestman
()
Date: April 7, 2012 21:35
Since the release of L.A.Friday Live 75, some people here finaly discover that Ronnie Wood wasn't that bad...it took some years but just for that yeah it's cool and desserved !
The guy who would have been a Rolling Stone since he heard of them, the last to enter in the STONES's gang, the youngest, and finaly the ultimate Rolling Stone in 2012 !
It's only rock'n'roll
HMN
The guy who would have been a Rolling Stone since he heard of them, the last to enter in the STONES's gang, the youngest, and finaly the ultimate Rolling Stone in 2012 !
It's only rock'n'roll
HMN
Re: LA FRIDAY- Ode to Ronnie
Posted by:
Carnaby
()
Date: April 7, 2012 21:41
Quote
Honestman
Since the release of L.A.Friday Live 75, some people here finaly discover that Ronnie Wood wasn't that bad...it took some years but just for that yeah it's cool and desserved !
The guy who would have been a Rolling Stone since he heard of them, the last to enter in the STONES's gang, the youngest, and finaly the ultimate Rolling Stone in 2012 !
It's only rock'n'roll
Right. Woody was new and thrown head first into a Stones tour. Also, Woody had just got off a Faces tour, with another Faces tour right after the Stones tour... All in one year, 1975!!
Re: LA FRIDAY- Ode to Ronnie
Posted by:
24FPS
()
Date: April 7, 2012 23:29
I've learned to appreciate Ronnie for helping the Stones to continue more than anything else. Mick Taylor's leads were on a higher plane than we're ever going to hear again on a Stones record. But Ronnie has been a good contributor, a good slide player and pedal steel. His playing doesn't have the emotional depth of Brian, but who the hell does? With time I've grown to like that 76-78 period. And I really like his slide on Rough Justice. His playing just doesn't reach the highs of Jones and Taylor. He's a team player.
Re: LA FRIDAY- Ode to Ronnie
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
()
Date: April 8, 2012 00:47
Quote
Palace Revolution 2000
I think he carried on in the zone. In 76 they substituted AllDown the Line, Angie, Gimme Shelter and Fingerprint File for the new 'Black & Blue' tracks.
While he had been shining on slide in ADTL, on Bass in FF, leadwork on GS, the newer tracks might have been closer to him, in that he could fel more ownership. And "Hey Negrita" was his own song naturally. So he did a fine take on Perkins' solo on HOF (much better than in late era), tore "Negrita" and "Hot Stuff" up. I always thought "Hot Stuff" worked really well ion live stage in 76.
And his solos on YCAGWYW IMO only got better once they hit London and Paris.
They played Angie, but skipped Wild Horses in 1976.
Re: LA FRIDAY- Ode to Ronnie
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
()
Date: April 8, 2012 00:49
Quote
kristian
I was there in Frankfurt during their opening night of European tour 1976.
Ron was not a Rolling Stone that night, almost well though he played, and hasn´t been ever since.
He is (used to be) a great Faces guitar player, writer, background singer etc - but a Rolling Stone?
Never in my sweet short life of mine have I felt like that.
I´ve never been a Ronnie-basher, but he just doesn´t fit in.
Well, I´m not the one to hire new members, so just take this as a form of Easter crap.
He wasn´t a Rolling Stone on Some Girls? Hm, on my copy he was...
Re: LA FRIDAY- Ode to Ronnie
Posted by:
kristian
()
Date: April 8, 2012 09:48
Well, I´m just an old sentimental fool... but I grew up seeing them pictured in the typical line-up, Brian with the tear-drop Vox, Bill with the Framus bass and Keith with a Gibson or another. And the new kid with his SG or Les Paul also fitted in, but Ronnie? A clown wearing his stupid clothes.
Yes, Some Girls was great and Ronnie fitted in.
Maybe it´s time to realize that Santa Claus doesn´t live in Lapland and God was created by Man, not the other way around.
Yes, Some Girls was great and Ronnie fitted in.
Maybe it´s time to realize that Santa Claus doesn´t live in Lapland and God was created by Man, not the other way around.
Re: LA FRIDAY- Ode to Ronnie
Posted by:
GravityBoy
()
Date: April 8, 2012 10:00
Ron is an outstanding musician (evidence: anything he did with Rod and The Faces).
Unfortunately the Stones mostly wasted his talent.
And his own er... problems... didn't help.
He turned into a slacker happy to be along for the ride.
Unfortunately the Stones mostly wasted his talent.
And his own er... problems... didn't help.
He turned into a slacker happy to be along for the ride.
Re: LA FRIDAY- Ode to Ronnie
Posted by:
Anonymous User
()
Date: April 8, 2012 13:16
Quote
GravityBoy
Ron is an outstanding musician (evidence: anything he did with Rod and The Faces).
Unfortunately the Stones mostly wasted his talent.
And his own er... problems... didn't help.
He turned into a slacker happy to be along for the ride.
You cannot blame the Stones for waisting his skills.
Re: LA FRIDAY- Ode to Ronnie
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
()
Date: April 8, 2012 13:17
Quote
AmsterdamnedQuote
GravityBoy
Ron is an outstanding musician (evidence: anything he did with Rod and The Faces).
Unfortunately the Stones mostly wasted his talent.
And his own er... problems... didn't help.
He turned into a slacker happy to be along for the ride.
You cannot blame the Stones for waisting his skills.
They used his skills from the waist down?
Re: LA FRIDAY- Ode to Ronnie
Posted by:
Anonymous User
()
Date: April 8, 2012 13:29
Quote
DandelionPowdermanQuote
AmsterdamnedQuote
GravityBoy
Ron is an outstanding musician (evidence: anything he did with Rod and The Faces).
Unfortunately the Stones mostly wasted his talent.
And his own er... problems... didn't help.
He turned into a slacker happy to be along for the ride.
You cannot blame the Stones for waisting his skills.
They used his skills from the waist down?
They are good at it, Keith and Mick are the boss...Taylor and Ron know all about it.
Re: LA FRIDAY- Ode to Ronnie
Posted by:
Doxa
()
Date: April 8, 2012 14:20
Quote
24FPS
I've learned to appreciate Ronnie for helping the Stones to continue more than anything else. Mick Taylor's leads were on a higher plane than we're ever going to hear again on a Stones record. But Ronnie has been a good contributor, a good slide player and pedal steel. His playing doesn't have the emotional depth of Brian, but who the hell does? With time I've grown to like that 76-78 period. And I really like his slide on Rough Justice. His playing just doesn't reach the highs of Jones and Taylor. He's a team player.
Jones and Taylor were team players as well but they were strikers. They were there to score. And they did that, and their team won. Ronnie is a all around player, usually a middle field player but able to share also some of the offense and defence duties, or whatever is needed. But he is not the man who could make the team to win by his goals or with his individual efforts. It is clear that the teams pay a lot more for high-profile strikers as Jones and Taylor - it's that extra talent or 'x-factor' that makes them so valuable. They can win the matches sometimes just with their individual effort. The Woods can be favourites of their team-mates and 'morally' important plyers but that doesn't translate in their wages. Nor with a higher respect by the media or even specialists.
But I think the Stones of 1978 were the greatest team ever been. They needed to change their tactics to survive (by 1976 it was clear that the old tactics created during the early 70's does not work anymore), and they did that. Never they have had so much band spirit and each of them sharing so much of responsibilities. Wyman's passes hit the right man ever needed; the Richards-Wood middle-field played Brasil-like flaw football, helped by Jagger. They didn't need any spefic strikers to score.. the three-guitar attack did it.
- Doxa
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-04-08 14:23 by Doxa.
Re: LA FRIDAY- Ode to Ronnie
Posted by:
stonesdan60
()
Date: April 8, 2012 14:22
Quote
DandelionPowdermanQuote
kristian
I was there in Frankfurt during their opening night of European tour 1976.
Ron was not a Rolling Stone that night, almost well though he played, and hasn´t been ever since.
He is (used to be) a great Faces guitar player, writer, background singer etc - but a Rolling Stone?
Never in my sweet short life of mine have I felt like that.
I´ve never been a Ronnie-basher, but he just doesn´t fit in.
Well, I´m not the one to hire new members, so just take this as a form of Easter crap.
He wasn´t a Rolling Stone on Some Girls? Hm, on my copy he was...
One would think so. He was certainly a vital part of the band, but I didn't learn until recently that he was not made an "official" and "equal" member of the band until around 1990 or so, which is to say he finally started getting paid as much as Charlie and Bill, which Bill and Charlie had a lot to do with persuading Mick and Keith to finally do for him.
Re: LA FRIDAY- Ode to Ronnie
Posted by:
Anonymous User
()
Date: April 8, 2012 14:27
Quote
DoxaQuote
24FPS
I've learned to appreciate Ronnie for helping the Stones to continue more than anything else. Mick Taylor's leads were on a higher plane than we're ever going to hear again on a Stones record. But Ronnie has been a good contributor, a good slide player and pedal steel. His playing doesn't have the emotional depth of Brian, but who the hell does? With time I've grown to like that 76-78 period. And I really like his slide on Rough Justice. His playing just doesn't reach the highs of Jones and Taylor. He's a team player.
Jones and Taylor were team players as well but they were strikers. They were there to score. And they did that, and their team won. Ronnie is a all around player, usually a middle field player but able to share also the offense and defence duties, or whatever is needed. But he is not the man who could make the team to win by his goals or by his any other individual efforts. It is clear that the teams pay a lot more for high-profile strikers as Jones and Taylor - it's that extra talent or 'x-factor' that makes them so valuable. They can win the matches sometimes just with their individual effort. The Woods can be favourites of theit team-mates and 'morally' important plyers but that doesn't translate in their wages.
But I think the Stones of 1978 were the greatest team ever been. They needed to change their tactics to survive (by 1976 it was clear that the old tactics created during the early 70's does not work anymore), and they did that. Never they have had so much band spirit and each of them sharing so much of responsibilities. Wyman's passes hit the right man ever needed; the Richards-Wood middle-field played Brasil-like flaw football, helped by Jagger. They didn't need any spefic strikers to score.. the three-guitar attack did it.
- Doxa
Three guitar attack? Three guitar defence I would say.
Re: LA FRIDAY- Ode to Ronnie
Posted by:
Max'sKansasCity
()
Date: April 8, 2012 14:28
Quote
stonesdan60Quote
DandelionPowdermanQuote
kristian
I was there in Frankfurt during their opening night of European tour 1976.
Ron was not a Rolling Stone that night, almost well though he played, and hasn´t been ever since.
He is (used to be) a great Faces guitar player, writer, background singer etc - but a Rolling Stone?
Never in my sweet short life of mine have I felt like that.
I´ve never been a Ronnie-basher, but he just doesn´t fit in.
Well, I´m not the one to hire new members, so just take this as a form of Easter crap.
He wasn´t a Rolling Stone on Some Girls? Hm, on my copy he was...
One would think so. He was certainly a vital part of the band, but I didn't learn until recently that he was not made an "official" and "equal" member of the band until around 1990 or so, which is to say he finally started getting paid as much as Charlie and Bill, which Bill and Charlie had a lot to do with persuading Mick and Keith to finally do for him.
I thought it was Bill Wyman quitting the band that opened the door, not that Wyman persuaded anyone. It just made sense, and was easy(didnt take money from Mick and Kieth) at that point that Ronnie should have Wymans ownership in the band... of course I am not sure... others may know the exact details.
Re: LA FRIDAY- Ode to Ronnie
Posted by:
Doxa
()
Date: April 8, 2012 14:37
Quote
Amsterdamned
Three guitar attack? Three guitar defence I would say.
Think of Brazil of 1982 World Cup in terms of defence and attack... only with the expection that Stones wins the cup...
But I don't know how this team would do against the Stones of 1972 or 1973... I just claim that the team of 1978 is the best team in this sense that they communicate and support each other - read each other's minds - better than any other team does... (probably only matched by very early 1963/64 version of the team.) I guess the best team in terms of results is probably that of 1969.
- Doxa
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-04-08 14:38 by Doxa.
Re: LA FRIDAY- Ode to Ronnie
Posted by:
Anonymous User
()
Date: April 8, 2012 14:44
Quote
DoxaQuote
Amsterdamned
Three guitar attack? Three guitar defence I would say.
Think of Brazil of 1982 World Cup in terms of defence and attack... only with the expection that Stones wins the cup...
But I don't know how this team would do against the Stones of 1972 or 1973... I just claim that the team of 1978 is the best team in this sense that they communicate and support each other - read each other's minds - better than any other team does... (probably only matched by very early 1963/64 version of the team.) I guess the best team in terms of results is probably that of 1969.
- Doxa
I agree that the best team does not necessarily win the world cup. I'am from Holland as you might have noticed
Re: LA FRIDAY- Ode to Ronnie
Posted by:
His Majesty
()
Date: April 8, 2012 16:15
Ronnie as a musician is like Scotland as a football team.
Sometimes he is so on, so inspired...
But, most of the time that inspiration is too short lived and not enough...
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2012-04-08 16:17 by His Majesty.
Sometimes he is so on, so inspired...
But, most of the time that inspiration is too short lived and not enough...
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2012-04-08 16:17 by His Majesty.
Re: LA FRIDAY- Ode to Ronnie
Posted by:
Anonymous User
()
Date: April 8, 2012 16:31
Whity, now Johan Cruyff reminds me of Taylor, 0:56 and onwards featuring him on Brussels...no bum goals...
Re: LA FRIDAY- Ode to Ronnie
Posted by:
His Majesty
()
Date: April 8, 2012 16:40
Yeah, great, but ball greedy. ><
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-04-08 16:43 by His Majesty.
<Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-04-08 16:43 by His Majesty.
Re: LA FRIDAY- Ode to Ronnie
Posted by:
Anonymous User
()
Date: April 8, 2012 16:52
Quote
His Majesty
Yeah, great, but ball greedy. >
Re: LA FRIDAY- Ode to Ronnie
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
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Date: April 8, 2012 20:26
Quote
AmsterdamnedQuote
DandelionPowdermanQuote
AmsterdamnedQuote
GravityBoy
Ron is an outstanding musician (evidence: anything he did with Rod and The Faces).
Unfortunately the Stones mostly wasted his talent.
And his own er... problems... didn't help.
He turned into a slacker happy to be along for the ride.
You cannot blame the Stones for waisting his skills.
They used his skills from the waist down?
They are good at it, Keith and Mick are the boss...Taylor and Ron know all about it.
The waist?
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