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And glad Bill was there with his equipment.........what if he wasn't there...........
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I wonder why this bothers people som much. I think that the reason is that everybody accepts that Brian couldn't develop as a guitarplayer, he couldn't write songs at all and he couldn't function socially in a creative manner. On other words, what Brian has left is the fact (or myth) that he founded the band and was the early leader. When Keith puts emphasis on Stu's importance in the early days it seems like Keith is take away the only little piece of importance Brian has left. Keith is challenging the mighty Foundation Myth - obviously a terrible crime.
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I wonder why this bothers people som much. I think that the reason is that everybody accepts that Brian couldn't develop as a guitarplayer, he couldn't write songs at all and he couldn't function socially in a creative manner. On other words, what Brian has left is the fact (or myth) that he founded the band and was the early leader. When Keith puts emphasis on Stu's importance in the early days it seems like Keith is take away the only little piece of importance Brian has left. Keith is challenging the mighty Foundation Myth - obviously a terrible crime.
I don't think everyone accepts that at all.
Why this bothers me so much is that Keith uses a position of strength against someone who can't fight back. And uses it not just to criticise but, almost, to dismiss that person's life (I don't just mean in the book, which I'm still waiting for, but in his comments generally over the past three decades. Although unless the book presents a more balanced view than people seems to think, it will have made the situation worse, since for casual fans it may be taken as the definitive version of the Stones' history). It's like a modern damnatio memoriae.
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Doxa -- I keep forgetting you're a she! I am too, and people forget that too. I for some reason picture a Greek guy (I don't mean the person with the handle
"The Greek" ) when I see the name "Doxa" - so sorry!
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Just started listening to the audio-book version of Keith Richards book.
So far it is really boring, just talking about his drug arrest in Arkansas and some important lawyer he hired. The book is really bad so far.
I thought it was going to be about music. not some sleazy lawyer that Keith had to hire to beat a drug arrest.
I was rooting for the Fortice, Arkansas police department against rich famous Keith Richards. Job well done, guys!
I should also add that the guy who is narrating the book , speaks in a complete monotone. I enjoy listening to the book when I am listening in bed because it sort of lulls me to sleep.
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mitchflorida
Just started listening to the audio-book version of Keith Richards book.
So far it is really boring, just talking about his drug arrest in Arkansas and some important lawyer he hired. The book is really bad so far.
I thought it was going to be about music. not some sleazy lawyer that Keith had to hire to beat a drug arrest.
I was rooting for the Fortice, Arkansas police department against rich famous Keith Richards. Job well done, guys!
I should also add that the guy who is narrating the book , speaks in a complete monotone. I enjoy listening to the book when I am listening in bed because it sort of lulls me to sleep.
Hi Mitch.
Gimme a sign when he starts lulling about Taylor.
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I wonder why this bothers people som much. I think that the reason is that everybody accepts that Brian couldn't develop as a guitarplayer, he couldn't write songs at all and he couldn't function socially in a creative manner. On other words, what Brian has left is the fact (or myth) that he founded the band and was the early leader. When Keith puts emphasis on Stu's importance in the early days it seems like Keith is take away the only little piece of importance Brian has left. Keith is challenging the mighty Foundation Myth - obviously a terrible crime.
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Just started listening to the audio-book version of Keith Richards book.
So far it is really boring, just talking about his drug arrest in Arkansas and some important lawyer he hired. The book is really bad so far.
I thought it was going to be about music. not some sleazy lawyer that Keith had to hire to beat a drug arrest.
I was rooting for the Fortice, Arkansas police department against rich famous Keith Richards. Job well done, guys!
I should also add that the guy who is narrating the book , speaks in a complete monotone. I enjoy listening to the book when I am listening in bed because it sort of lulls me to sleep.
Hi Mitch.
Gimme a sign when he starts lulling about Taylor.
I actually skipped to that in the index of the book. From what I can gather, Keith Richards blames Mick Taylor's "inner demons" for Taylor's decision to leave the Stones.
Keith has it exactly right. Something was wrong in Taylor's head . . to blame Keith or Mick is ridiculous.
From the brief parts that I read, it sounded like Keith Richards was the number one member of the Mick Taylor Fan Club, even if he wasn't really good friends with him. Keith only cares about music and it didn't matter whether Taylor and Keith were friends or not .. Keith certainly didn't kick Taylor out of the group.
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And Keith's confirms what I have always believed -he wrote the bulk of Stones material. He had the riff, the melody, the song titel and main theme, and then would throw it at Mick, whom he then credits of being a genius in completing the song. He states there's just a few Mick songs -YCAGWYW, SFTD, Moonlight Mile and BS. Especially MM is a revelation, as this adds to Taylor's claim he wrote it with Jagger.
My main gripe about the book is that a biography normally is about a very interesting person. And to be honest, I just don't think Keith Richards from '70 to 'the mid-80's was a very interesting person. All we read is about his drug addiction, scoring drugs, cold turkey and whatever, but nothing really interesting about him, his friends, his experiences on the tours. His only memory from a tour is being arrested in Boston in '72...
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...It's quite ridiculous isn't. Here there is a 500+ page biography by Keith Richards and all that's important is whether Jones formed the Stones or not....
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But if Keit's comments reflect his feelings towards Brian and his evaluation of Brian's musicla input, there is no reason for Keith NOT to state those points of view. You can not blame Keith for beeing alive to tell his story.
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And Keith's confirms what I have always believed -he wrote the bulk of Stones material.
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You missed the point. Perhaps my fault.
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And Keith's confirms what I have always believed -he wrote the bulk of Stones material.
I think Mick might confirm something quite different.
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And Keith's confirms what I have always believed -he wrote the bulk of Stones material.
I think Mick might confirm something quite different.
i think not ... it's pretty obvious Keith wrote a majority just from the bootleg demos, where keith is on vocals, if only repeating a phrase. i think i've read serveral times/sources that mick didn't realize he could even come up with riffs of his own until around Some Girls time period.
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And Keith's confirms what I have always believed -he wrote the bulk of Stones material. He had the riff, the melody, the song titel and main theme, and then would throw it at Mick, whom he then credits of being a genius in completing the song. He states there's just a few Mick songs -YCAGWYW, SFTD, Moonlight Mile and BS. Especially MM is a revelation, as this adds to Taylor's claim he wrote it with Jagger.
My main gripe about the book is that a biography normally is about a very interesting person. And to be honest, I just don't think Keith Richards from '70 to 'the mid-80's was a very interesting person. All we read is about his drug addiction, scoring drugs, cold turkey and whatever, but nothing really interesting about him, his friends, his experiences on the tours. His only memory from a tour is being arrested in Boston in '72...
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My main gripe is that the book is fiction but marketed as nonfiction.
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And Keith's confirms what I have always believed -he wrote the bulk of Stones material.
I think Mick might confirm something quite different.
i think not ... it's pretty obvious Keith wrote a majority just from the bootleg demos, where keith is on vocals, if only repeating a phrase. i think i've read serveral times/sources that mick didn't realize he could even come up with riffs of his own until around Some Girls time period.
but keith is not just taking all credit - in the book he does say that Sympathy was Mick's idea, and that's a pretty huge Stones track to give someone else credit for ... if keith was about taking the credit for himself, then he would surely want Sympathy on his resume
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And Keith's confirms what I have always believed -he wrote the bulk of Stones material.
I think Mick might confirm something quite different.
i think not ... it's pretty obvious Keith wrote a majority just from the bootleg demos, where keith is on vocals, if only repeating a phrase. i think i've read serveral times/sources that mick didn't realize he could even come up with riffs of his own until around Some Girls time period.
but keith is not just taking all credit - in the book he does say that Sympathy was Mick's idea, and that's a pretty huge Stones track to give someone else credit for ... if keith was about taking the credit for himself, then he would surely want Sympathy on his resume
but there is the evidence Godard's One Plus One and Mick sings the melody. So it's stupid to take from him this credit.
I think it's very petty to talk now about all the credits - not for us fans, for Keith - he obviously destroys band's integrity
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And Keith's confirms what I have always believed -he wrote the bulk of Stones material.
I think Mick might confirm something quite different.
i think not ... it's pretty obvious Keith wrote a majority just from the bootleg demos, where keith is on vocals, if only repeating a phrase. i think i've read serveral times/sources that mick didn't realize he could even come up with riffs of his own until around Some Girls time period.
but keith is not just taking all credit - in the book he does say that Sympathy was Mick's idea, and that's a pretty huge Stones track to give someone else credit for ... if keith was about taking the credit for himself, then he would surely want Sympathy on his resume
but there is the evidence Godard's One Plus One and Mick sings the melody. So it's stupid to take from him this credit.
I think it's very petty to talk now about all the credits - not for us fans, for Keith - he obviously destroys band's integrity
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...It's quite ridiculous isn't. Here there is a 500+ page biography by Keith Richards and all that's important is whether Jones formed the Stones or not....
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i quite agree! that's why i put in the excerpt from the book -- keith never says Stu formed the band, he just pays him a tribute, basically saying it's amazing that someone of his talent decided to give these guys (mick, keith, brian) a chance by working w/ them.
this thread was just created by Neptune, totally taking a comment from the book out of context and starting a ridiculous debate over something that was never stated in the book.
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What reason do we have to assume that? There's just a few "factual" acounts, and these quite match what we know and assume to be true. There isn't much that, when checked against a source that has no doubts than can be atributed as "fiction".
98% of the book is about his feelings, and how he experienced things, and hence is his truth. If you want to read facts read Wyman's books, only problem is that he was hardly a member of the Stones.
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