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The overriding impression i get of Keith is that he values loyalty, and a strong level of reliability and consistency, in order to see things through. That's the reason that he speaks so highly of Charlie Watts and Ian Stewart, because they had a genuine love and dedication to the Stones, and they weren't primarily in it for the notoriety, so to speak. To have a long run those elements are essential, so to a sense Charlie and Ian were pretty much the backbone of the group. One gets the impression Keith viewed Brian Jones' shortcomings as pretty much overwhelming many of Brian's strengths, and although Keith does acknowledge Brian's musical ability, his main thought is that Brian, from pretty much early on, became almost a bigger pain than he was worth, and fame and celebrity, very much took the place of a genuine dedication to the group. Keith gives the impression to having little to do with Bill on a personal level, and perhaps being more interested in his amp than his bass playing originally, although he does over time appreciate Bill's fine bass playing. I don't think Keith admired Bill's womanising ways quite so much. Mick Taylor is acknowledged as a great guitarist, and his contributions were key to some of the very best music the Stones made, but Keith found him more difficult to relate to on a personal level.
I always wonder if his respect for Charlie and Stu doesn't have a lot to do with the fact that they've never been a threat to him.
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My one and only comment on Mick's todger: I think Marianne was a very kind lady who knew exactly what to say to Keith to make him feel better about Mick and Anita...
Poor Marianne! She after all didn't say anything and it's totally not her style. It was Anita. I don't want to know what her standards are but she complained all the time that Keith didn't @#$%& her and preferred to hang with his junkie friends. In Stones In Exile she told smth. like "it was sex, drugs and rock-n-roll, not necessary in this order" It was funny
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The overriding impression i get of Keith is that he values loyalty, and a strong level of reliability and consistency, in order to see things through. That's the reason that he speaks so highly of Charlie Watts and Ian Stewart, because they had a genuine love and dedication to the Stones, and they weren't primarily in it for the notoriety, so to speak. To have a long run those elements are essential, so to a sense Charlie and Ian were pretty much the backbone of the group. One gets the impression Keith viewed Brian Jones' shortcomings as pretty much overwhelming many of Brian's strengths, and although Keith does acknowledge Brian's musical ability, his main thought is that Brian, from pretty much early on, became almost a bigger pain than he was worth, and fame and celebrity, very much took the place of a genuine dedication to the group. Keith gives the impression to having little to do with Bill on a personal level, and perhaps being more interested in his amp than his bass playing originally, although he does over time appreciate Bill's fine bass playing. I don't think Keith admired Bill's womanising ways quite so much. Mick Taylor is acknowledged as a great guitarist, and his contributions were key to some of the very best music the Stones made, but Keith found him more difficult to relate to on a personal level.
I always wonder if his respect for Charlie and Stu doesn't have a lot to do with the fact that they've never been a threat to him.
Exactly. Sir Keith's humble servants. Aren't him so big hearted for them? Thank you. Lord! But fvck those Brian and Taylor and Jagger and Wyman! How better the band been without those "unloyal" (no Keith's ass licking) @#$%&!
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Brian worked his ass off for the band until Oldham took over together with Jagger and Richards. After that I think that he lost track on what his role was in the band and being the insecure guy he was he started to do drugs to hang in there. He, Mick and Keith had been equals before Oldham and it took time before Brian understood that he had lost that power.Quote
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I think Brian was a disappointment because as soon as the Stones achieved a level of fame, he was more interested in playing on his celebrity.
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it's so important to him to tell to everybody that he is the hero of Blair too, not only Jagger. Now I finally understand why he reacted so angrily when Mick got knighthood from Blair. And Mick even didn't support invasion in Iraq' in contrary to Richards
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(of which he claims he wrote 80% of all Stones music, and Jagger only did lyrics).
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(of which he claims he wrote 80% of all Stones music, and Jagger only did lyrics).
Mick Taylor remembers these things differently
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There's half a page about the Stones live in concert, but dozens of pages about the songwriting (of which he claims he wrote 80% of all Stones music, and Jagger only did lyrics).
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I think it was a fabulous read. There's two main things that struck me:
1. He considers himself not a musician, guitarist or producer -he acknowledges that his main talent is songwriting, and he sees himself as a songwriter. There's half a page about the Stones live in concert, but dozens of pages about the songwriting (of which he claims he wrote 80% of all Stones music, and Jagger only did lyrics).
2. He was a total junky from '70 to '80, and that's basically all he was. He comes accross as one of the most lonely people on this world, spending week after week being totally out of it 'on the john'. His contacts are Marlon, Sessler, and a bit of Anita, and the rest dealers, smack, dope, dealers and whatever. In the end I thought 'wow, even if your Keith Richards heroin is not a great drug to do...."
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I've read that ALL ABOUT YOU is about Anita or Mick. But Keith's recent Mick comments (wishing they were close like the very early days) recalls Keith's line, "I may miss you/But missing me just isn't you."
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tonterapiBrian worked his ass off for the band until Oldham took over together with Jagger and Richards. After that I think that he lost track on what his role was in the band and being the insecure guy he was he started to do drugs to hang in there. He, Mick and Keith had been equals before Oldham and it took time before Brian understood that he had lost that power.Quote
Edward Twining
I think Brian was a disappointment because as soon as the Stones achieved a level of fame, he was more interested in playing on his celebrity.
I've never understood it as he "gave up on music" just to be a celebrity. But he was definitely more aware of his star status than Mick and Keith as can be seen in interviews with him and in the people he had befriended. He was very much an explorer trying to find ways to express himself. Brian did however, still play on the Stones records and tours right up to when the second bust happend in 1968. Then it started to go downhill and it didn't stop until the last months of his life.
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tonterapiBrian worked his ass off for the band until Oldham took over together with Jagger and Richards. After that I think that he lost track on what his role was in the band and being the insecure guy he was he started to do drugs to hang in there. He, Mick and Keith had been equals before Oldham and it took time before Brian understood that he had lost that power.Quote
Edward Twining
I think Brian was a disappointment because as soon as the Stones achieved a level of fame, he was more interested in playing on his celebrity.
I've never understood it as he "gave up on music" just to be a celebrity. But he was definitely more aware of his star status than Mick and Keith as can be seen in interviews with him and in the people he had befriended. He was very much an explorer trying to find ways to express himself. Brian did however, still play on the Stones records and tours right up to when the second bust happend in 1968. Then it started to go downhill and it didn't stop until the last months of his life.
Brian "lost his power" when it came time to write original songs and he was incapable of doing it. Oldham shouldn't be blamed for realizing Jagger & Richards were the ones with the writing talent, he should be thanked, or the Rolling Stones would have been just another British blues band that disappeared when the blues craze went out of style. Brian managed to find other important ways to contribute musically (and brilliantly, I might add). It's a shame his personality make up could not withstand losing the group's "leadership". You can't be the leader of the band when it is others in the band who come up with all of the material. I think Daltrey was the "original" leader of The Who as well. Couldn't last.
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I think it was a fabulous read. There's two main things that struck me:
1. He considers himself not a musician, guitarist or producer -he acknowledges that his main talent is songwriting, and he sees himself as a songwriter. There's half a page about the Stones live in concert, but dozens of pages about the songwriting (of which he claims he wrote 80% of all Stones music, and Jagger only did lyrics).
2. He was a total junky from '70 to '80, and that's basically all he was. He comes accross as one of the most lonely people on this world, spending week after week being totally out of it 'on the john'. His contacts are Marlon, Sessler, and a bit of Anita, and the rest dealers, smack, dope, dealers and whatever. In the end I thought 'wow, even if your Keith Richards heroin is not a great drug to do...."
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I think it was a fabulous read. There's two main things that struck me:
1. He considers himself not a musician, guitarist or producer -he acknowledges that his main talent is songwriting, and he sees himself as a songwriter. There's half a page about the Stones live in concert, but dozens of pages about the songwriting (of which he claims he wrote 80% of all Stones music, and Jagger only did lyrics).
2. He was a total junky from '70 to '80, and that's basically all he was. He comes accross as one of the most lonely people on this world, spending week after week being totally out of it 'on the john'. His contacts are Marlon, Sessler, and a bit of Anita, and the rest dealers, smack, dope, dealers and whatever. In the end I thought 'wow, even if your Keith Richards heroin is not a great drug to do...."
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If this is true (about KR considering himself primarily a songwriter) why did he basically stop writing songs in the conventional sense sometime in the mid 70s? He even bragged about it at the time ("I have stopped writing songs" ). He switched to this kind of riff-finding method, which certainly produced some decent work, when combined with Jagger and the band's efforts, but really changed the Stones sound. The weakness of this method is apparent especially on his solo albums, in my opinion. Not enough melody and structure, and often not especially strong lyrics. Hard to believe the same guy wrote Ruby Tuesday. I also think that it's interesting that this switch in songwriting style seems to have started with the hard core junkie period. You have to have discipline to write structured pop songs - hard to do when you're on the stuff. Better to stay awake for days and see what comes out of the atmosphere. Yes, there are some lovely exceptions, but I miss the guy who teamed up with Jagger Tin Pan Alley style. I thought he was great.