Some things have puzzled me for years:

1. Why was "In Another Land" credited to Bill Wyman as artist on Satanic Majesties? Did the group want some distance from the track? It is on a Stones album, and there are other Stones playing on it.

2. Who is Amyl Nitrate?

3. Who are "Vanetta and friend"?

4. And of course, the big one (please don't hit me): WTF is "rmk"?.

Any other mysterious credits?

1. Bill wrote it.

2. I don't know. New one on me.

3. Vanetta Fields was a back-up singer for hire in the EXILE era. She apparently brought a friend to a session and no one wrote down her name.

4. RMK either stands for 'remake' or are the initials of Allen Klein's daughter. The argument rages on.

2. Richard Didymus Washington was "Amyl Nitrate". he was Dr. John's percussionist.

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1. Bill wrote it.

2. I don't know. New one on me.

3. Vanetta Fields was a back-up singer for hire in the EXILE era. She apparently brought a friend to a session and no one wrote down her name.

4. RMK either stands for 'remake' or are the initials of Allen Klein's daughter. The argument rages on.

I know Bill wrote "In Another Land", but "Octupus' Garden" wasn't credited to Ringo Starr as "artist" on Abbey Road. Bill was a member of the group and happened to wrte that song, but why credit him as "artist" on the song instead of the Stones?

Sounds like Ringo's bandmates weren't as nice to him as Mick and Keith were to Bill...Bill wrote the song and sung on it as well.
He wrote it and gets the credit for it...Sad they didn't give more credit to Mick Taylor!

Amyl Nitrate is the poppers. Maybe they were giving credit to them becuase they were needed when someone passed out during a session.

i got confused. nevermind. post edited.



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i'm not sure what you mean by "artist". ringo wrote the tune, they gave him songwriting credit. the other beatles played on the song with him. i've never heard of a band member being credited as "artist". the rolling stones are a collective unit. bill got songwriting credit, is it supposed to say "lades and gentleman, the rolling stones present.....bill wyman!".

I think people are missing what I am saying about "In Another Land". I'm not talking about songwriting credit, as Ringo got for "Octopus", etc. I am talking about the "artist". It would be like if Abbey Road said "Abbey Road by The Beatles, except for "Octopus's Garden" in which the artist is Ringo Starr." IAL was credited as a Bill Wyman solo track instead of a Rolling Stones track. Much different from a composer credit. Read the original credit on TSMR. Not sure if they changed it for the CD.

yes i got confused. sorry 71tele. i thought you were asking why bill did NOT get an artist credit but you managed to quote me before i edited it. kudos to you and your quick fingers

The Wyman thing was likely a marketing decision on the part of ABKCO or Decca. The same thing happened with a number of Dave Davies' songs on Kinks albums in the sixties. The label issued them as solo singles (just like "In Another Land") even though it's the full band line-up playing on it. I think it was a way to market a "new" singer-songwriter in an existing band without risking commercial disappointment.

Other mystery credits:
Nanette Newman for Nanette Workman on BEGGARS and LET IT BLEED because of permit issues
"Rocky Dijon" on BEGGARS, LET IT BLEED, and STICKY FINGERS
the aforementioned "Amyl Nitrate" for Richard Washington on EXILE
1 Moroccan, 1 Jew, 1 WASP on percussion for "Shattered"
credit for "mystery guitar" on VOODOO LOUNGE
Bernie Worrell as "Clinton Clifford" on "You Don't Have To Mean It"
crediting Jagger & Richards as "The Glimmer Twins"

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The Wyman thing was likely a marketing decision on the part of ABKCO or Decca. The same thing happened with a number of Dave Davies' songs on Kinks albums in the sixties. The label issued them as solo singles (just like "In Another Land") even though it's the full band line-up playing on it. I think it was a way to market a "new" singer-songwriter in an existing band without risking commercial disappointment.

Other mystery credits:
Nanette Newman for Nanette Workman on BEGGARS and LET IT BLEED because of permit issues
"Rocky Dijon" on BEGGARS, LET IT BLEED, and STICKY FINGERS
the aforementioned "Amyl Nitrate" for Richard Washington on EXILE
1 Moroccan, 1 Jew, 1 WASP on percussion for "Shattered"
credit for "mystery guitar" on VOODOO LOUNGE
Bernie Worrell as "Clinton Clifford" on "You Don't Have To Mean It"
crediting Jagger & Richards as "The Glimmer Twins"

Thanks Rocky. This makes sense. I had almost added the Shattered credit.

According to Dr. John's autobiography Richard Washington
was not too pleased when he was misnamed as Amyl Nitrate.
I guess that Jagger was better remembering his drug of choice
than his name.

By the way, it's Venetta Fields, not Vanetta.
[www.venettafields.com]

Another mystery credit is Charlie Jolly for Jolly Kunjappu.
[www.kunjappu.com]

Never knew that Clinton Clifford is in fact Bernie Worrell.
But it makes sense. What's the source for this info?

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I forgot all about Charlie Jolly! I doubt Jagger forgot his name, it's more likely their sense of humor just like my namesake and Charlie Jolly that you mentioned.

AFAIK, I'm the source for the Clinton Clifford claim. Completely up to you whether I'm trustworthy or not.

I thought rmk stood for a cetain moon cycle or such relating to the moon

"Well my heavy throbbers itchin' just to lay a solid rhythm down"

[www.timeisonourside.com]

I once asked Don Was what Keith's "mystery guitar" on "You Got Me Rockin'" was (on the Rockline radio program, as a matter of fact). He asked me what I thought it sounded like. I said maybe a dulcimer. He said close, it was a dobro played with a piece of wood that Keith found on the ground. In some magazine article somewhere, it was revealed that Charlie's "mystery drum" on "Moon Is Up" was an upside-down garbage can played with brushes.

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I once asked Don Was what Keith's "mystery guitar" on "You Got Me Rockin'" was (on the Rockline radio program, as a matter of fact). He asked me what I thought it sounded like. I said maybe a dulcimer. He said close, it was a dobro played with a piece of wood that Keith found on the ground. In some magazine article somewhere, it was revealed that Charlie's "mystery drum" on "Moon Is Up" was an upside-down garbage can played with brushes.

I learn something new here every day!

I knew about the mystery drum, but not the guitar. Thanks, CMan.

Rmk is weather terminology. Since the moons phase or location has a lot to do with the weather, it only makes sense. I took a course in college and learned this but this is the best online explanation I could find.

Venetta Fields is very well known in Australia. Mainstream name recognition! But sadly this quasi-celebrity status is not due to her awesome work on Exile. She is well known here because she is a prominent backing singer for an Aussie singer named "John Farnham" who is very popular here with middle aged housewives. (Don't bother googling him, unless you like Barry Manilow).

In a perfect world, Venetta Fields would have mainstream recognition in Australia for other reasons.



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And of course, who are the "1 Moroccan, 1 Jew, 1 Wasp" who supplied percussion, presumably the handclaps in the middle eight, on Shattered? To borrow from Bruce Springsteen, REVEAL YOURSELVES ... IF YOU'VE GOT THE STRENGTH TO SPEAK!?!?



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I don't know if Simon Kirke is jewish or a White Anglo-Saxon Protestant,
but Ian McLagan wrote in All The Rage that Simon Kirke is on congas.

The Moroccan is probably some Stones-assistant called Hassan.

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Charlie Jolly was real, he lived in Berlin a few years ago.

Simon Kirke is Jewish and Charlie Jolly isn't his real last name I think was why Neddie brought him up.

Thanks to the high resolution of Some Girls SACD, I notice some elements on Shattered for the first time.
e.g. female vocal(or may be Ronnie's backing steel guitar?) and brilliant conga.

By the way, someone says Mel Collins and Simon Kirke are credited as 1 Jew and 1 WASP.
The other one says Jane Rose and Simon Kirke as 1 Jew and 1 WASP.

Who is "1 Moroccan" for Shattered, anyway?
Sugar Blue or the assistant called Hassan?

1.- The Beatles had George Harrison as their third composer. Bill thought the Stones needed one such. The result? Extremely horrific. I'd rather eat out the rotten a**hole of a roadkilled skunk than to ever hear In Another Land again. And people say Sweet Neocon is bad??? Sheeeezz.....

JumpingKentFlash

^ LOL @ JumpingKentFlash

Totally agree. "In Another Land" scares the hell out of me since I was a kid.

I like it. Bill sounds like ET on this one

Ha! ... Go figure what our dirty old man would have done with that finger! ...lol...

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4. RMK either stands for 'remake' or are the initials of Allen Klein's daughter. The argument rages on.

"RMK simply means REMARKS and marks the end of a standard meteorlogical
observation and the beginning of the remarks that are put in as necessary."

Child of the Moon is jagger's stoned/trippy
perception of the face in the moon being
not a man but rather a beautiful young woman.
This personification of nature was also the
theme of She's a Rainbow, and like that song,
Child must be at least partially understood as
a Beatles homage/parody. In the lyrics, there
is constant reference to the sky and weather.
Not only the moon, but the wind, sun, rain, fog,
stars, and mist are all specifically mentioned.

When you read meteorogical tables, observers usually
restrict themselves to remarks such as "wind shift"
or "lightning". But if the observer is tripping,
he tends to get a bit more flowery.

reference: [weather.cod.edu]