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Palace Revolution 2000
What I find very interesting about 'Gomper' is the sequence of tracks. That the main percussion, the Tabla was overdubbed, to hardly any other percussion or click on basic tracks.
I was listening to 'Satanic', and on many tracks, def. on "Lantern", you hear the overdubbed tracks on the right. Usually a lead guitar by Keith. Maybe horns. In 'Lantern' there is a beautiful Mellotron(?) or organ phrase that only shows up once.
So 'Gomper' has that feel too; where you get the whole pinged down basic tracks on the right side. And what has always bugged me about "Gomper' is that the Table sounds out of sync. I noticed that Charlie must have o/d his track to an implied rhythm in instruments. Or maybe there was a click track that they got rid of. Or something weak, that has been swallowed up
That would mean that Mick also tracked his percussion with Charlie,maybe he was the one counting, and then once they got rocking he started banging away too.
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DandelionPowderman
It will grow on people who gives it more than a few spins.
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bitusa2012
Crap, utter crap. Just a nonsense song. How a Stones fan could bear this tripe is beyond me.
Sorry. I DO feel strongly about the utter rubbish that is, in the main, TSMR. From a band of the caliber of The Stones it is a travesty of a record.
My "test": IF it was put out under the name of any other band, real or manufactured, it would rightly be lambasted for the sheer twill tripe it is. Including this track.
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DandelionPowderman
It will grow on people who gives it more than a few spins.
No it won't. Warts grow on you....
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matxil
The first part is not so bad, but the melody is very very similar to Lady Godiva's Operation from Velvet Underground. Which was recorded in September 1967, but came out January 1928, according to wikipedia. TSMR was recorded from Feb - Oct 1967, and came out December 1968.
Is it possible both bands came up with the same melody around the same time? Maybe the roots of the melody lie in some obscure Tibetan folkband everyone has forgotten about but was all the rage at that time? Or did the Velvet Underground hear Gomper before it was published?
Or is it all just my imagination, running away with me?
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Palace Revolution 2000
What I find very interesting about 'Gomper' is the sequence of tracks. That the main percussion, the Tabla was overdubbed, to hardly any other percussion or click on basic tracks.
I was listening to 'Satanic', and on many tracks, def. on "Lantern", you hear the overdubbed tracks on the right. Usually a lead guitar by Keith. Maybe horns. In 'Lantern' there is a beautiful Mellotron(?) or organ phrase that only shows up once.
So 'Gomper' has that feel too; where you get the whole pinged down basic tracks on the right side. And what has always bugged me about "Gomper' is that the Table sounds out of sync. I noticed that Charlie must have o/d his track to an implied rhythm in instruments. Or maybe there was a click track that they got rid of. Or something weak, that has been swallowed up
That would mean that Mick also tracked his percussion with Charlie,maybe he was the one counting, and then once they got rocking he started banging away too.
The tabla wasn't an overdub.
The basic 'live' takes consist of:
Keith Richards - 12 string electric guitar
Brian Jones - electric dulcimer/Vox Bijou
Bill Wyman - bass
Charlie Watts - tabla
Nicky Hopkins - hammond organ
There is another stringed instrument which comes in after the song section that is part of the basic takes, not sure what it is, but I assume it's played by Mick. Sounds like a freaky elastic band.
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Palace Revolution 2000
What I find very interesting about 'Gomper' is the sequence of tracks. That the main percussion, the Tabla was overdubbed, to hardly any other percussion or click on basic tracks.
I was listening to 'Satanic', and on many tracks, def. on "Lantern", you hear the overdubbed tracks on the right. Usually a lead guitar by Keith. Maybe horns. In 'Lantern' there is a beautiful Mellotron(?) or organ phrase that only shows up once.
So 'Gomper' has that feel too; where you get the whole pinged down basic tracks on the right side. And what has always bugged me about "Gomper' is that the Table sounds out of sync. I noticed that Charlie must have o/d his track to an implied rhythm in instruments. Or maybe there was a click track that they got rid of. Or something weak, that has been swallowed up
That would mean that Mick also tracked his percussion with Charlie,maybe he was the one counting, and then once they got rocking he started banging away too.
The tabla wasn't an overdub.
The basic 'live' takes consist of:
Keith Richards - 12 string electric guitar
Brian Jones - electric dulcimer/Vox Bijou
Bill Wyman - bass
Charlie Watts - tabla
Nicky Hopkins - hammond organ
There is another stringed instrument which comes in after the song section that is part of the basic takes, not sure what it is, but I assume it's played by Mick. Sounds like a freaky elastic band.
I'm glad you posted Phil. I know this sgtuff is kind of your specialty. Everyone's input on this kind of C -List material to me is interesting. yeah, it's just a theory of mine. What most of TSMR info is.
I noticed that on lots of TSMR material Keith's o/d are coming in from the right. With very noticeably lesser generation loss. And I still can't get over how out of sync Charlie is. May be that he must have been really out of his comfort zone for the whole experience.
re the rubber band - are you talking about the sound that appears on the left, shortly after that first real shrill flute sound?
I think it becomes audible towards the end again. That Hi Hat type sound always cracks me up. The one track I can not make out is this Wyman Bass track. If they had chopped off the entire freak-out section, this song would have a totally different reputation.
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matxil
The first part is not so bad, but the melody is very very similar to Lady Godiva's Operation from Velvet Underground. Which was recorded in September 1967, but came out January 1928, according to wikipedia. TSMR was recorded from Feb - Oct 1967, and came out December 1968.
Is it possible both bands came up with the same melody around the same time? Maybe the roots of the melody lie in some obscure Tibetan folkband everyone has forgotten about but was all the rage at that time? Or did the Velvet Underground hear Gomper before it was published?
Or is it all just my imagination, running away with me?
You better check those dates again
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matxil
The first part is not so bad, but the melody is very very similar to Lady Godiva's Operation from Velvet Underground. Which was recorded in September 1967, but came out January 1928, according to wikipedia. TSMR was recorded from Feb - Oct 1967, and came out December 1968.
Is it possible both bands came up with the same melody around the same time? Maybe the roots of the melody lie in some obscure Tibetan folkband everyone has forgotten about but was all the rage at that time? Or did the Velvet Underground hear Gomper before it was published?
Or is it all just my imagination, running away with me?
You better check those dates again
Cheers . I have corrected it now. (I think)
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matxil
Damn!
Okay, corrected it again...
I blame it on being a Monday.
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matxil
The first part is not so bad, but the melody is very very similar to Lady Godiva's Operation from Velvet Underground. Which was recorded in September 1967, but came out January 1968, according to wikipedia. TSMR was recorded from Feb - Oct 1967, and came out December 1967.
Is it possible both bands came up with the same melody around the same time? Maybe the roots of the melody lie in some obscure Tibetan folkband everyone has forgotten about but was all the rage at that time? Or did the Velvet Underground hear Gomper before it was published?
Or is it all just my imagination, running away with me?
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matxil
The first part is not so bad, but the melody is very very similar to Lady Godiva's Operation from Velvet Underground. Which was recorded in September 1967, but came out January 1968, according to wikipedia. TSMR was recorded from Feb - Oct 1967, and came out December 1967.
Is it possible both bands came up with the same melody around the same time? Maybe the roots of the melody lie in some obscure Tibetan folkband everyone has forgotten about but was all the rage at that time? Or did the Velvet Underground hear Gomper before it was published?
Or is it all just my imagination, running away with me?
Stones were following Velvet Doors Traffic Winwood closely, evident in 1968/1969
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matxil
The first part is not so bad, but the melody is very very similar to Lady Godiva's Operation from Velvet Underground. Which was recorded in September 1967, but came out January 1968, according to wikipedia. TSMR was recorded from Feb - Oct 1967, and came out December 1967.
Is it possible both bands came up with the same melody around the same time? Maybe the roots of the melody lie in some obscure Tibetan folkband everyone has forgotten about but was all the rage at that time? Or did the Velvet Underground hear Gomper before it was published?
Or is it all just my imagination, running away with me?
Stones were following Velvet Doors Traffic Winwood closely, evident in 1968/1969
Stylistically or musically?