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i agree. it often sounds very awkward in english, too...which proves it has nothing to do with the language itself....
Plus Autobahn, and 99 Luftballons, that makes four non-English rock-era hits (that were big in English-speaking countries ) .
Are there any more?
Found one:
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2010-06-09 06:49 by loog droog.
Sweden + Australia (abba & bee gees),
The Two Undisputed Heavy Weight World Disco Superpowers of the whole wide world including Greenland & Antarctica.
that's just my opinion of course.
yet another thing I don't know much about! Never stopped me from voicing an opinion tho
maybe the more groove-based the music is, the better it transcends cultural differences and language barriers. But one can sure tell the difference between the disco music that mutated from soul and Euro Disco. But isn't Pet Shop Boys Euro Disco? I'm pretty sure they have that style in the USA as well.
How could you forgot this one, don't need to speak a word of french to understand the meaning
HMN
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I actually don't mind some of that music from time to time. Everything has its place!
ABBA was definitely huge. I saw a TV program once, that did a computer analysis of popular songs, and it determined that 'Mamma Mia' was the best written pop song of all time. The top ten consisted primarily of ABBA, Beatles and Elvis songs.
Not sure what went into the determination, but was interesting nonetheless.
That's where French sounds fine!
[thepowergoats.com]
Will a computer dance if it likes a song?
And if that computer is a laptop, does that mean it will do a lap dance??
"Mamma Mia?" I guess music critics can rest easy since it looks like their jobs won't be replaced by machines.
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Britain + America - The Two Rock n Roll World Superpowers
Posted by:
colonial
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Date: June 8, 2010 23:39
When I think of Rock Bands and Musicians its usually British and American..then Canadian and Australian Bands.But not so much European Bands and I know there will be a lot of great Bands from those Countries (lol).But when I try and think of some Bands from other Countries ive really got to think about it.And its been like that from the 1960s im just surpised some other Countries havent joined those other Superpowers or even taken over Rock music world domination in the 50 years or so.
Re: Britain + America - The Two Rock n Roll World Superpowers
Posted by:
loog droog
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Date: June 9, 2010 00:44
Rock belongs to the English-speaking world.
I don't think there's more than a dozen non-English rock hits that are known over the world.
Autobahn by Kraftwerk is the only one I can think of right now.
I don't think there's more than a dozen non-English rock hits that are known over the world.
Autobahn by Kraftwerk is the only one I can think of right now.
Re: Britain + America - The Two Rock n Roll World Superpowers
Posted by:
Amused
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Date: June 9, 2010 00:48
what about je suis un rock star? 
Re: Britain + America - The Two Rock n Roll World Superpowers
Posted by:
jamesfdouglas
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Date: June 9, 2010 00:51
Re: Britain + America - The Two Rock n Roll World Superpowers
Posted by:
Gazza
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Date: June 9, 2010 01:00
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loog droog
Rock belongs to the English-speaking world.
I don't think there's more than a dozen non-English rock hits that are known over the world.
Autobahn by Kraftwerk is the only one I can think of right now.
Joe Le Taxi!!
Re: Britain + America - The Two Rock n Roll World Superpowers
Posted by:
ChrisM
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Date: June 9, 2010 01:35
Can't say I agree. There's plenty of great rock and roll available in other languages. The main reason so many rock and roll songs are in English is because it commonly spoken all over the world. There's plenty great rock and roll in Japanese, Spanish and other languages as well. You just have to look for it. Remember Ce Plane Pour Moi, or La Bamba?...Quote
jamesfdouglas
I concur - rock in non-English... always sounds awkward, especially in French.
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Re: Britain + America - The Two Rock n Roll World Superpowers
Posted by:
T&A
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Date: June 9, 2010 01:39
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ChrisMCan't say I agree. There's plenty of great rock and roll available in other languages. Remember Ce Plane Pour Moi, or La Bamba? There's plenty great rock and roll out of Japan and Mexico as well. You just have to look for it..Quote
jamesfdouglas
I concur - rock in non-English... always sounds awkward, especially in French.
i agree. it often sounds very awkward in english, too...which proves it has nothing to do with the language itself....
Re: Britain + America - The Two Rock n Roll World Superpowers
Posted by:
loog droog
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Date: June 9, 2010 06:37
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ChrisM
Remember Ce Plane Pour Moi, or La Bamba?...
Plus Autobahn, and 99 Luftballons, that makes four non-English rock-era hits (that were big in English-speaking countries ) .
Are there any more?
Found one:
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2010-06-09 06:49 by loog droog.
Re: Britain + America - The Two Rock n Roll World Superpowers
Posted by:
colonial
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Date: June 9, 2010 07:29
loog droog..Nana Mouskouri may of had a hit?
Re: Britain + America - The Two Rock n Roll World Superpowers
Posted by:
Child Of Clay
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Date: June 9, 2010 07:50
since it was invented by "english"-speking americans, it's only natural it found a lot of rather convincing interpreters in the UK and Ireland, but in it's american rules lies the fact that it's essentially "world music" - apart from the african influence, it combines lots of european music that had already become american folk music.
So IMHO all non-american rock music is just an imitation of the original New World idea, and it depends on your cultural background what versions please you.
One has to remember that many american rock stars have their roots elsewhere than in Britain. People like Bob Dylan, Jerry Garcia and Jorma Kaukonen don't have any Anglo-Saxon blood in them, not to mention Chuck Berry and Little Richard! (well Jerry doesn't have any blood in him at all...)
One factor in keeping non-american/british bands and artists relatively marginal is the fact that much of the visibility in the genre has been created by the british press - the fact that has made some rather undeserving acts known all over the world while some arguably better acts struggle to break through to a wider market.
Reading mags like Mojo and Uncut can be a bit annoying, it often feels like attending some nationalist rally, but of course the british can always claim it's irony, and the americans can just tell me to shut up, because they own rock music - and THEY do!
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2010-06-09 07:52 by Child Of Clay.
So IMHO all non-american rock music is just an imitation of the original New World idea, and it depends on your cultural background what versions please you.
One has to remember that many american rock stars have their roots elsewhere than in Britain. People like Bob Dylan, Jerry Garcia and Jorma Kaukonen don't have any Anglo-Saxon blood in them, not to mention Chuck Berry and Little Richard! (well Jerry doesn't have any blood in him at all...)
One factor in keeping non-american/british bands and artists relatively marginal is the fact that much of the visibility in the genre has been created by the british press - the fact that has made some rather undeserving acts known all over the world while some arguably better acts struggle to break through to a wider market.
Reading mags like Mojo and Uncut can be a bit annoying, it often feels like attending some nationalist rally, but of course the british can always claim it's irony, and the americans can just tell me to shut up, because they own rock music - and THEY do!
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2010-06-09 07:52 by Child Of Clay.
Re: Britain + America - The Two Rock n Roll World Superpowers
Posted by:
colonial
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Date: June 9, 2010 08:01
Child of Clay..What about disco music?
Re: Britain + America - The Two Rock n Roll World Superpowers
Posted by:
treaclefingers
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Date: June 9, 2010 09:08
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colonial
Child of Clay..What about disco music?
Sweden + Australia (abba & bee gees),
The Two Undisputed Heavy Weight World Disco Superpowers of the whole wide world including Greenland & Antarctica.
that's just my opinion of course.
Re: Britain + America - The Two Rock n Roll World Superpowers
Posted by:
Child Of Clay
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Date: June 9, 2010 09:16
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colonial
Child of Clay..What about disco music?
yet another thing I don't know much about! Never stopped me from voicing an opinion tho
maybe the more groove-based the music is, the better it transcends cultural differences and language barriers. But one can sure tell the difference between the disco music that mutated from soul and Euro Disco. But isn't Pet Shop Boys Euro Disco? I'm pretty sure they have that style in the USA as well.
Re: Britain + America - The Two Rock n Roll World Superpowers
Posted by:
colonial
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Date: June 9, 2010 09:16
Quote
treaclefingersQuote
colonial
Child of Clay..What about disco music?
Sweden + Australia (abba & bee gee..British from The Isle of Man)
The Two Undisputed Heavy Weight World Disco Superpowers of the whole wide world including Greenland & Antarctica.
that's just my opinion of course.
Re: Britain + America - The Two Rock n Roll World Superpowers
Posted by:
colonial
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Date: June 9, 2010 09:39
treaclefingers..After The Beatles and The Stones..the next big No1 Band here was ABBA and about that time..quite a few other Scandinavian and European Bands were getting all the attention here in NZ..ABBA were great and the Disco era was quite good to...
Re: Britain + America - The Two Rock n Roll World Superpowers
Posted by:
Filip020169
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Date: June 9, 2010 14:24
...but they (ABBA) díd sing in English...
Re: Britain + America - The Two Rock n Roll World Superpowers
Posted by:
Honestman
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Date: June 9, 2010 14:55
Quote
GazzaQuote
loog droog
Rock belongs to the English-speaking world.
I don't think there's more than a dozen non-English rock hits that are known over the world.
Autobahn by Kraftwerk is the only one I can think of right now.
Joe Le Taxi!!
How could you forgot this one, don't need to speak a word of french to understand the meaning
HMN
Re: Britain + America - The Two Rock n Roll World Superpowers
Posted by:
Come On
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Date: June 9, 2010 15:04
Only America for Rock n Roll. England has come up with none new rock'n'roll, but for pop, yes thats England...Don't forget about Iceland that have Sigur ros and Björk...
Re: Britain + America - The Two Rock n Roll World Superpowers
Posted by:
colonial
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Date: June 9, 2010 15:40
Come onQuote
Come On
Only America for Rock n Roll. England has come up with none new rock'n'roll, but for pop, yes thats England...Don't forget about Iceland that have Sigur ros and Björk...
.........................................?Re: Britain + America - The Two Rock n Roll World Superpowers
Posted by:
treaclefingers
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Date: June 9, 2010 17:00
Quote
colonial
treaclefingers..After The Beatles and The Stones..the next big No1 Band here was ABBA and about that time..quite a few other Scandinavian and European Bands were getting all the attention here in NZ..ABBA were great and the Disco era was quite good to...
I actually don't mind some of that music from time to time. Everything has its place!
ABBA was definitely huge. I saw a TV program once, that did a computer analysis of popular songs, and it determined that 'Mamma Mia' was the best written pop song of all time. The top ten consisted primarily of ABBA, Beatles and Elvis songs.
Not sure what went into the determination, but was interesting nonetheless.
Re: Britain + America - The Two Rock n Roll World Superpowers
Posted by:
SwayStones
()
Date: June 9, 2010 18:11
I've always thought that English is the only langage that fits to Rockn' Roll .
That's why so many foreign bands sing in English even if it's not their native langage .
It also has to do with Phonetics .
In the late 70's & the 80's ,we had a lot of very good Rock bands in France,some of you here know which bands I am talking about -Bijou,Little Bob Story,Marquis de Sade ,Trust,Ganafoul,Starshooter (from my hometown )and Telephone but some of them sang in English .
Take a look to this link :
[divergences.be]
Are the French less capable than European-Americans or Britons of recreating music of African-American origins ? The explanation frequently offered by French musicians and fans of rock and roll is that there is indeed a cultural limitation in France : the language. In their opinion, the phonetic structure and monotone stress patterns of the French language render virtually impossible the articulation of the emotions, the feeling at the heart of African-American music.
This formula quickly achieved great popularity in the United States because of sexual taboos that are much stronger there than in Europe. Rock and roll either channels or releases libidinous energies pent-up by a repressive moral code. In France, on the contrary, the public is not “paralyzed” by puritanism and therefore has no need of rock and roll. This is why representations of “rock and roll” in France appear to be successful only to the degree that they are burlesque. Indeed, it seems difficult to put listeners into a trance who are physically reacting against the beat of the music in question.
I am a Frenchie ,as Mick affectionately called them in the Old Grey Whistle Test in 1977 .
That's why so many foreign bands sing in English even if it's not their native langage .
It also has to do with Phonetics .
In the late 70's & the 80's ,we had a lot of very good Rock bands in France,some of you here know which bands I am talking about -Bijou,Little Bob Story,Marquis de Sade ,Trust,Ganafoul,Starshooter (from my hometown
)and Telephone but some of them sang in English .Take a look to this link :
[divergences.be]
Are the French less capable than European-Americans or Britons of recreating music of African-American origins ? The explanation frequently offered by French musicians and fans of rock and roll is that there is indeed a cultural limitation in France : the language. In their opinion, the phonetic structure and monotone stress patterns of the French language render virtually impossible the articulation of the emotions, the feeling at the heart of African-American music.
This formula quickly achieved great popularity in the United States because of sexual taboos that are much stronger there than in Europe. Rock and roll either channels or releases libidinous energies pent-up by a repressive moral code. In France, on the contrary, the public is not “paralyzed” by puritanism and therefore has no need of rock and roll. This is why representations of “rock and roll” in France appear to be successful only to the degree that they are burlesque. Indeed, it seems difficult to put listeners into a trance who are physically reacting against the beat of the music in question.
I am a Frenchie ,as Mick affectionately called them in the Old Grey Whistle Test in 1977 .
Re: Britain + America - The Two Rock n Roll World Superpowers
Posted by:
jamesfdouglas
()
Date: June 9, 2010 20:59
Quote
colonial
Child of Clay..What about disco music?
That's where French sounds fine!
[thepowergoats.com]
Re: Britain + America - The Two Rock n Roll World Superpowers
Posted by:
loog droog
()
Date: June 9, 2010 21:07
Quote
treaclefingers
I saw a TV program once, that did a computer analysis of popular songs, and it determined that 'Mamma Mia' was the best written pop song of all time.
Will a computer dance if it likes a song?
And if that computer is a laptop, does that mean it will do a lap dance??
"Mamma Mia?" I guess music critics can rest easy since it looks like their jobs won't be replaced by machines.
Re: Britain + America - The Two Rock n Roll World Superpowers
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
()
Date: June 9, 2010 21:09
A-ha topped the American Billboard charts with Take On Me in 1985. Sad, but true I bet we can find at least 200 similar examples.
BTW, the thread was "Britain + America - The two rock'n'roll world superpowers". Didn't say that acts from other countries couldn't sing in english.
AND: Britain IS european
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I bet we can find at least 200 similar examples.BTW, the thread was "Britain + America - The two rock'n'roll world superpowers". Didn't say that acts from other countries couldn't sing in english.
AND: Britain IS european
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2010-06-09 21:10 by DandelionPowderman.
Re: Britain + America - The Two Rock n Roll World Superpowers
Posted by:
treaclefingers
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Date: June 9, 2010 22:42
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loog droog
Will a computer dance if it likes a song?
And if that computer is a laptop, does that mean it will do a lap dance??
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nice one!
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