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so presumably someone could splice together an even longer version from the 2 tracks!
Yes!
Just use the bootleg version, and edit in the exile bonus version at the relevant part right before the point where the bootleg version starts to fade out. That way we don't get that horrible splice from the exile bonus version heard at 2:12 etc.
There's going to be a drastic change in sound quality though so perhaps a slight degrading of the exile bonus version would be needed to make it less obvious.
ive done this already total time now 7:10 , ive got bass distortion in the boot version though.
from another thread..
I looked at it again and there are two major bits edited out
boot: at 3:08 1min 8 sec missing, and at 4: 57 32 sec missing.
then again the exile version has an extended outtro of 40 seconds, total time now is 7:10
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Track Talk (Exile Deluxe): Loving Cup (alternate take)
Posted by:
René
()
Date: July 5, 2010 10:02
Comments, input and alterations are very welcome!
________________________________________________________________________________
Loving Cup (alternate take)
(Mick Jagger / Keith Richards)
Olympic Sound Studios, London, UK, April 17 - July 2, 1969,
Rolling Stones Mobile Recording Unit, Villa Nellcote, Villefranche-sur-mer, France, July 10 - late July & October 14 - November 23, 1971
Mick Jagger - lead vocals
Keith Richards - electric guitar, harmony vocals
Charlie Watts - drums
Bill Wyman - bass
Mick Taylor - electric guitar
Nicky Hopkins - piano
I'm the man on the mountain, yes, come on up, come on up
I’ll be the plowman in the valleys with a face full of mud, with a face full of mud
Yes, I am stumbling and I know my car won't start
Yes, I am fumbling and I know I play a bad guitar
Ah, but just one drink from your loving cup
Ah, just one drink and I'll fall down drunk, yeah
I'm the man who walks the hillsides in the sweet summer sun, yeah
I'm the man who brings you roses when you ain't got none, none
Well, I can run and jump and fish, but I won't fight
You, if you want to, push and pull with me all night
Ah, give me little drink from your loving cup
Ah, just one drink, what a beautiful buzz
I feel so very humble with you tonight, just sitting in front of the fire
I see your face dancing in the flame, I feel your mouth kissing me again
What a beautiful buzz, what a beautiful buzz
What a beautiful buzz, what a beautiful buzz
Ooh, what a beautiful buzz, what a beautiful buzz, yeah
Yes, I am dirty, smelly and my shirt's all torn
But I would love to push and pull with you past dawn
Give me little drink from your loving cup
Give me little drink and I'll fall down drunk
Just give me little drink from your loving cup
Just give me little drink from your loving cup
Just give me little drink from your loving cup
Just give me little drink from your loving cup
Just give me little drink from your loving cup
Just give me little drink from your loving cup...
Produced by Jimmy Miller
First released on:
The Rolling Stones - “Exile On Main Street” 2CD
(Universal 273 429-5) UK, May 14, 2010
________________________________________________________________________________
Loving Cup (alternate take)
(Mick Jagger / Keith Richards)
Olympic Sound Studios, London, UK, April 17 - July 2, 1969,
Rolling Stones Mobile Recording Unit, Villa Nellcote, Villefranche-sur-mer, France, July 10 - late July & October 14 - November 23, 1971
Mick Jagger - lead vocals
Keith Richards - electric guitar, harmony vocals
Charlie Watts - drums
Bill Wyman - bass
Mick Taylor - electric guitar
Nicky Hopkins - piano
I'm the man on the mountain, yes, come on up, come on up
I’ll be the plowman in the valleys with a face full of mud, with a face full of mud
Yes, I am stumbling and I know my car won't start
Yes, I am fumbling and I know I play a bad guitar
Ah, but just one drink from your loving cup
Ah, just one drink and I'll fall down drunk, yeah
I'm the man who walks the hillsides in the sweet summer sun, yeah
I'm the man who brings you roses when you ain't got none, none
Well, I can run and jump and fish, but I won't fight
You, if you want to, push and pull with me all night
Ah, give me little drink from your loving cup
Ah, just one drink, what a beautiful buzz
I feel so very humble with you tonight, just sitting in front of the fire
I see your face dancing in the flame, I feel your mouth kissing me again
What a beautiful buzz, what a beautiful buzz
What a beautiful buzz, what a beautiful buzz
Ooh, what a beautiful buzz, what a beautiful buzz, yeah
Yes, I am dirty, smelly and my shirt's all torn
But I would love to push and pull with you past dawn
Give me little drink from your loving cup
Give me little drink and I'll fall down drunk
Just give me little drink from your loving cup
Just give me little drink from your loving cup
Just give me little drink from your loving cup
Just give me little drink from your loving cup
Just give me little drink from your loving cup
Just give me little drink from your loving cup...
Produced by Jimmy Miller
First released on:
The Rolling Stones - “Exile On Main Street” 2CD
(Universal 273 429-5) UK, May 14, 2010
Re: Track Talk (Exile Deluxe): Loving Cup (alternate take)
Posted by:
His Majesty
()
Date: July 5, 2010 17:05
Isn't the alternate take an all Olympic recording?
I still haven't gotten over the chopping up of this bootleg classic for the Exile bonus disc!
I still haven't gotten over the chopping up of this bootleg classic for the Exile bonus disc!
Re: Track Talk (Exile Deluxe): Loving Cup (alternate take)
Posted by:
Bashlets
()
Date: July 5, 2010 17:07
best track of the extras. raw and wonderful
Re: Track Talk (Exile Deluxe): Loving Cup (alternate take)
Posted by:
René
()
Date: July 6, 2010 09:46
Quote
His Majesty
Isn't the alternate take an all Olympic recording?
According to Nico Zentgraf from The Complete Works website (www.nzentgraf.de):
690417A 17th April - 2nd July: London, Olympic Sound Studios. Producer: Jimmy Miller.
Sound engineers: Glyn Johns; Vic Smith on Monkey Man I; Andy Johns, Glyn Johns
and George Chkiantz on Jiving Sister Fanny.
With Mick Taylor (MT) from 24th May onwards.
- Country Honk I (MJ/KR) -early version without fiddle (12th May)
- Country Honk II (MJ/KR) -first version with Mick Taylor
- Curtis Meets Smokey (MJ/KR) -unverified (23rd April)
- Downtown Suzie II (BW) -Metamorphosis-version (23rd April)
- Honky Tonk Women II (MJ/KR) - STU on piano, Jimmy Miller on
cowbell, Reparata and The Delrons, Nanette Newman & Doris Troy
on backing vocals, Steve Gregory & Bud Beadle on horns; 7" version, recordings
begun 30th May - 5th June
- I Don't Know Why I (Stevie Wonder/Paul Riser/Don Hunter/Lula Hardaway) - STU
on piano, unknowns on brass; early mix of version II, recorded around the 30th June
- I Don't Know Why II (Stevie Wonder/Paul Riser/Don Hunter/Lula Hardaway) - STU
on piano, unknowns on brass; Metamorphosis-version, recorded around the 30th
June
- I'm Going Down I (MJ/KR) -Rocky Dijon on percussion; unverified version without
sax
- Jiving Sister Fanny I (MJ/KR) -Nicky Hopkins on piano, unknowns on brass; early
mix of III
- Jiving Sister Fanny II (MJ/KR) -Nicky Hopkins on piano, unknowns on brass;
'Black Box'-version with female vocals, unverified
- Jiving Sister Fanny III (MJ/KR) - Nicky Hopkins on piano, unknowns on brass;
Metamorphosis-version
- Let It Bleed II (MJ/KR) -STU on piano; Let It Bleed-version
- Let It Loose I (MJ/KR) –unverified early version
- Live With Me I (MJ/KR) -unverified early version without overdubs (24th May)
- Loving Cup I (MJ/KR) -Nicky Hopkins on keyboard; early version with e.g. totally
different piano-intro
- Monkey Man I (MJ/KR) -Nicky Hopkins on piano, Jimmy Miller on tambourine;
instrumental (under title Positano Grande)(17th - 22nd April)
- Monkey Man II (MJ/KR) -Nicky Hopkins on piano, Jimmy Miller on tambourine;
Let It Bleed-version (10th June - 2nd July)
- Mucking About (MJ/KR) -unverified (29th April)
- So Fine (MJ/KR) -unverified (23rd April)
- Toss The Coin (MJ/KR) -unverified
- The Vulture (MJ/KR) -unverified
- When Old Glory Comes Along (MJ/KR) -unverified (17th - 22nd April)
710710A 10th July - late July and 14th October - 23rd November: Villefranche-sur-mer,
France, Villa Nellcote, basement of KR's house. Producer: Jimmy Miller. Sound
engineers: Glyn Johns and Andy Johns. Incl.
- Casino Boogie (MJ/KR) -Nicky Hopkins on piano, Bobby Keys on
sax; Exile On Main St.-version
- Fast Talking Slow Walking (MJ/KR) -Nicky Hopkins on piano
- Following The River I (MJ/KR) -Nicky Hopkins on piano; unverified
instrumental; date unsure
- Fragile (MJ/KR) -unverified
- Happy (MJ/KR) -Jimmy Miller on drums, Bobby Keys on sax and percussion,
Nicky Hopkins on piano, Jim Price on trumpet and/or trombone; Exile On Main
St.-version
- I'm Not Signifying I (MJ/KR)
- Let It Loose II (MJ/KR) -Nicky Hopkins on piano and mellotron;
backing track
- Loving Cup II (MJ/KR) -Nicky Hopkins on piano; first part identical to version I,
spliced together with a new second part (starting at 2.12); date unsure
- Pass The Wine (Sophia Loren) I (MJ/KR) -Nicky Hopkins on piano, Bobby Keys
on sax, Jim Price on trumpet, Jimmy Miller on percussion; instrumental
- Plundered My Soul I (MJ/KR) -Nicky Hopkins on piano, Bobby Keys on sax;
unverified instrumental; date unsure
- Rip This Joint I (MJ/KR) -unverified early version with KR on vocals
- Rocks Off (MJ/KR) -Nicky Hopkins on piano, Bobby Keys on sax, Jim
Price on trumpet and/or trombone; Exile On Main St.-version
- Soul Survivor (MJ/KR) -Nicky Hopkins on piano, Bobby Keys on sax,
Jim Price on trumpet and/or trombone; Exile On Main St.-version
- Ventilator Blues (MJ/KR/MT) -Nicky Hopkins on piano, Bobby Keys on sax,
Jim Price on trumpet and/or trombone; Exile On Main St.-version
+ more
Additional musicians: Nicky Hopkins, Jimmy Miller, Bobby Keys and Jim Price.
Note: In July they recorded about 20 new tracks. No mixing or overdubbing
was done until the 30th November.
The vocal parts for most of the tracks were recorded in Los Angeles.
Of course we're not sure.......
René
Re: Track Talk (Exile Deluxe): Loving Cup (alternate take)
Posted by:
nanker phelge
()
Date: July 6, 2010 11:19
Agree with Bashlets- raw and wonderful- especially Charlie's drumming!!
Re: Track Talk (Exile Deluxe): Loving Cup (alternate take)
Posted by:
StonesTod
()
Date: July 6, 2010 21:54
the long-circulating bootleg version (drunk version) is so much better than the exile bonus version....
Re: Track Talk (Exile Deluxe): Loving Cup (alternate take)
Posted by:
with sssoul
()
Date: July 9, 2010 16:27
at the end of the first verse he sings "i just wanna drink from your loving cup"
not "just one drink from your loving cup"
and in the second verse it's "I'm the man who brings you roses when you ain't got none - nothin'"
not "just one drink from your loving cup"
and in the second verse it's "I'm the man who brings you roses when you ain't got none - nothin'"
Re: Track Talk (Exile Deluxe): Loving Cup (alternate take)
Posted by:
redsock
()
Date: July 9, 2010 17:56
The more I listen to this, I more I do not hear a splice, at least not in MJ's vocal.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2010-07-09 17:56 by redsock.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2010-07-09 17:56 by redsock.
Re: Track Talk (Exile Deluxe): Loving Cup (alternate take)
Posted by:
Erik_Snow
()
Date: July 9, 2010 18:05
I may be conservative, but I think the "Exile" version of Loving Cup is the very best ones - but both the "drunk" version and the "splice" version are also spectacular. Wonder how it would have progressed if they kept it in the setlist in 1972.....THey never performaed it after San Francisco, and it wasn't before they left San Francisco that they started to get it cooking on stage anyway, IMO.
Re: Track Talk (Exile Deluxe): Loving Cup (alternate take)
Posted by:
with sssoul
()
Date: July 9, 2010 18:07
>> The more I listen to this, I more I do not hear a splice <<
one can get used to it, i reckon. it still jars me ... but i forgive them :E
one can get used to it, i reckon. it still jars me ... but i forgive them :E
Re: Track Talk (Exile Deluxe): Loving Cup (alternate take)
Posted by:
His Majesty
()
Date: July 10, 2010 18:42
Seems Nico Zentgraf just took our speculative talk about the splice etc and added it to his site.
Both the drunk bootleg version and the exile bonus version are the same tracks instrumentally. The bootleg version has been faded out, the exile bonus version edited, but we hear more of what came after the bootleg version fade out on the exile bonus version.
The variation in vocals on the exile bonus version at certain points in comparison to the bootleg version means there is more than one vocal take on the multitrack tape and explains why they were able to use the same vocals as the bootleg version and alternative vocals for parts of the exile bonus version.
So same music on both versions - faded out on one/edited on the other.
Shared vocals on both versions, but exile bonus version features previously unheard parts from other take(s).
Both the drunk bootleg version and the exile bonus version are the same tracks instrumentally. The bootleg version has been faded out, the exile bonus version edited, but we hear more of what came after the bootleg version fade out on the exile bonus version.
The variation in vocals on the exile bonus version at certain points in comparison to the bootleg version means there is more than one vocal take on the multitrack tape and explains why they were able to use the same vocals as the bootleg version and alternative vocals for parts of the exile bonus version.
So same music on both versions - faded out on one/edited on the other.
Shared vocals on both versions, but exile bonus version features previously unheard parts from other take(s).
Re: Track Talk (Exile Deluxe): Loving Cup (alternate take)
Posted by:
cc
()
Date: July 10, 2010 19:55
Quote
His Majesty
Both the drunk bootleg version and the exile bonus version are the same tracks instrumentally. The bootleg version has been faded out, the exile bonus version edited, but we hear more of what came after the bootleg version fade out on the exile bonus version.
The variation in vocals on the exile bonus version at certain points in comparison to the bootleg version means there is more than one vocal take on the multitrack tape and explains why they were able to use the same vocals as the bootleg version and alternative vocals for parts of the exile bonus version.
So same music on both versions - faded out on one/edited on the other.
Shared vocals on both versions, but exile bonus version features previously unheard parts from other take(s).
so presumably someone could splice together an even longer version from the 2 tracks!
Re: Track Talk (Exile Deluxe): Loving Cup (alternate take)
Posted by:
His Majesty
()
Date: July 10, 2010 20:17
Quote
cc
so presumably someone could splice together an even longer version from the 2 tracks!
Yes!
Just use the bootleg version, and edit in the exile bonus version at the relevant part right before the point where the bootleg version starts to fade out. That way we don't get that horrible splice from the exile bonus version heard at 2:12 etc.
There's going to be a drastic change in sound quality though so perhaps a slight degrading of the exile bonus version would be needed to make it less obvious.
Re: Track Talk (Exile Deluxe): Loving Cup (alternate take)
Posted by:
René
()
Date: July 12, 2010 08:58
Thanks His Majesty, that makes sense.
And with sssoul, thanks for the correction.
René
And with sssoul, thanks for the correction.
René
Re: Track Talk (Exile Deluxe): Loving Cup (alternate take)
Posted by:
straycatblues73
()
Date: July 13, 2010 13:18
Quote
His MajestyQuote
cc
so presumably someone could splice together an even longer version from the 2 tracks!
Yes!
Just use the bootleg version, and edit in the exile bonus version at the relevant part right before the point where the bootleg version starts to fade out. That way we don't get that horrible splice from the exile bonus version heard at 2:12 etc.
There's going to be a drastic change in sound quality though so perhaps a slight degrading of the exile bonus version would be needed to make it less obvious.
ive done this already total time now 7:10 , ive got bass distortion in the boot version though.
from another thread..
Quote
straycatblues73Quote
His MajestyQuote
straycatblues73
the edit at 2:12 is only for 4 seconds ,there are no extra beats , then back to the original track but different vocals until 3:21 where about a minute has been edited out probably because there is a messed up "feel so humble " bit..
Sure the vocals are different?
the takes are very similar but play them together in sync there are definite differences in the vocals.
the edit at 2:12 seems to just to eliminate the "fall down drunk" phrase.
after 3:21 jagger misses his cue ? and different lyrics for the "feel so humble " bit edited out
actually different vocals from the start
an example: at 29 sec bootleg : i'm the ploughman ,
---------------------- exile : i'll be the ploughman
listen yourself
I looked at it again and there are two major bits edited out
boot: at 3:08 1min 8 sec missing, and at 4: 57 32 sec missing.
then again the exile version has an extended outtro of 40 seconds, total time now is 7:10
Re: Track Talk (Exile Deluxe): Loving Cup (alternate take)
Posted by:
drewmaster
()
Date: September 25, 2010 21:40
Despite the splice, this is a slice of heaven, which is not surprising given that LC is one of the of the most soulful and majestic tracks the Stones have ever recorded. This alternate version is a slightly grittier and dirtier version, more stately and languid but with every bit as much as soul as the masterpiece that appears on Exile. My God, just listen to Nicky's gospel intro at the beginning (subtly supported by Charlie's drums); the listener is completely entranced by just those few magnificent piano chords. Then the guitars chime in with, suffused with that stately countrified twang, that atmosphere of hillbilly decadence that only the Stones could create. And then Jagger's incandescent vocals, so pleading and soulful, yet defiant and raunchy too.
Sure, the outro gets a little messy on this version, but who cares; LC was a work-in-progress at the time. This is glorious music and one of the true gems on the Exile bonus disc.
Drew
Sure, the outro gets a little messy on this version, but who cares; LC was a work-in-progress at the time. This is glorious music and one of the true gems on the Exile bonus disc.
Drew
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