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Re: I wanna hear Brian
Posted by: neptune ()
Date: June 21, 2010 18:23

I'd add Ride On Baby to that list.

Re: I wanna hear Brian
Posted by: Anonymous User ()
Date: June 21, 2010 18:52

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Mathijs
I continue to read all these phrases with "how bad Jagger/Richards treated Jones", in some form or another.

Let's be the devil's advocate here: what a burden was Brian to the second-most creative duo in the world? Here you are, 26 years old and on top of the world musically, ready to start a four year streak of best-ever Rock albums with a band that is going to be called "the Greatest band in the World" in one year time -and there's this washed up alcoholic slumped in the corned on a one-too-many acid trip, weeping over the loss of his girl to that ever so succesful guitarist and writer of the band you started...

I wouldn't hasitate a bit to throw him out.



Mathijs
i also would snatch anita away from brian .what a smoking hot lady back then .


Keith did it.
there was nothing wrong with keith's eyes

Re: I wanna hear Brian
Posted by: mailexile67 ()
Date: June 21, 2010 19:04

All the '60 albums are full of Brian creativity...Aftermath,Between the buttons and Satanic are Brian albums;out of our heads,the 1st and 2nd album too...also to the end he has been fantastic with his slide on "No expectations"...Brian painted stones songs with amazing colours.

Re: I wanna hear Brian
Posted by: Anonymous User ()
Date: June 21, 2010 19:08

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marvpeck
"Let's be the devil's advocate here: what a burden was Brian to the second-most creative duo in the world? Here you are, 26 years old and on top of the world musically, ready to start a four year streak of best-ever Rock albums with a band that is going to be called "the Greatest band in the World" in one year time -and there's this washed up alcoholic slumped in the corned on a one-too-many acid trip, weeping over the loss of his girl to that ever so succesful guitarist and writer of the band you started...

I wouldn't hasitate a bit to throw him out."

Mathijs

So, would you have tossed Keith out a few years later?

What about Ron ?

Re: I wanna hear Brian
Posted by: jamesfdouglas ()
Date: June 21, 2010 20:15

Has it been widely discussed how Jones functioned like George Harrison (the one who truly brought the sitar into British pop)?

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Re: I wanna hear Brian
Posted by: tonterapi ()
Date: June 21, 2010 21:15

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The Greek
i also would snatch anita away from brian .what a smoking hot lady back then .
She was just as dangerous as she was beautiful. Both Keith and Brian learned that the hard way...

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jamesfdouglas
Has it been widely discussed how Jones functioned like George Harrison (the one who truly brought the sitar into British pop)?
The big thing that they had in common was that they both were held back by the leaders of their bands. But then the diffrences take over. The main difference is that George had balls to stand up against the bands natural leaders. Brian didn't have the strength to do that and decided to flee the reality with drugs instead. If George had been like Brian we most likely wouldn't have heard any Harrison songs at all.

Re: I wanna hear Brian
Posted by: neptune ()
Date: June 21, 2010 21:44

George and Brian were indeed similar, but in some major ways they were different. Whereas George was good at writing conventional pop songs, Brian seemed only interested in composing/writing music. Writing pop songs was not his forte and that's why he was never able to compete with Mick and Keith. Brian would have been better off being a solo artist and doing his own thing, especially by 1967. He was already going in that direction with the ADOM soundtrack and Jajouka.

Re: I wanna hear Brian
Posted by: tonterapi ()
Date: June 21, 2010 22:34

I think George did a good job with his soundtrack as well - Wonderwall. I bet Brian liked it too. smiling smiley

Re: I wanna hear Brian
Posted by: coffeepotman ()
Date: June 21, 2010 22:56

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Doxa
The Stones couldn't survive the 60's without Brian, but they couln't have survived the 70's with him...

I think the Stones have been very lucky - if that is anything to do with luck - for having their "third man" behind Mick and Keith, and front of Charlie and Bill. Brian was probably one of the most talented musical visionalists - a walking musical adventury - back in the 60's when that kind of quality was most needed (and we should not forget Brian's looks and sense of fashion, etc.). Taylor was the guitar ace when having one was the mark of credible rock band. And they got 'back-to-basics' Wood to the band just before the guitar gods and other 'dinosaur' self-important musicians turned out to be unfashinable by the punk challenge (and Ronnie also didn't look like some goddamn old hippie).

Of course, Brian's role was more like a second frontman, and Keith was the 'third man' in the early days, and Brian's role transformed very much, as did Taylor's and Wood's in the band (for example, since 1989 Ronnie's contribution has not been much more what Brian had 1968-69), but in a long run, it is fun to make generalations like this!

- Doxa

Doxa, I agree with you also. One thing I don't understand why some people taken any opportunity to bash Woody

Re: I wanna hear Brian
Posted by: jjflash73 ()
Date: June 22, 2010 04:51

His playing on 'Get Off of My Cloud' is under rated and it makes the song for me. There are so many examples of Brian.
Lets Spend the Night Together, last Time, Paint it Black, Ruby Tuesday, Not Fade Away, Under My Thumb, Red Rooster, Walking the Dog.....

Re: I wanna hear Brian
Posted by: mitchflorida ()
Date: June 23, 2010 07:19

Even though he wasn't really contributing anymore, there was no immediate necessity to go through the drama of replacing Brian because no gigs were lined up. We first had to recognize the fact that we needed to make a really good album. After Satanic Majesties we wanted to make a STONES album.
1968 Beggars Banquet Brian Jones Keith Richards
Date: 1968

Brian wasn't really involved on Beggars Banquet, apart from some slide on No Expectations; that was the only thing he played on the whole record. He wasn't turning up to the sessions and he wasn't very well. In fact we didn't want him to turn up, I don't think.
1968 Beggars Banquet Brian Jones Mick Jagger
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Keith Richards
Date:
1979
I did all the parts on half the Aftermath album that Brian normally would have done. Sure I was mad. It wasn't like now where you spend 4 to 6 months making an album. Those albums had to be done in 10 days, plus another single. That was a fact of life... With Brian becoming a dead weight on top of the work, it threw a lot of the pressure on me.




At this point I don't think Brian was necessarily shying away from guitar. He just enjoyed being a colourist and that was very effective. His guitar playing was good when he played slide guitar - that was a strength - but he wasn't much of a rock player, really. Keith could do the other parts and Brian wasn't really that needed, so he was more interested in playing the recorder or the sitar. Brian was more like an all-round musician rather than a specialist guitar player.

- Mick Jagger, 2003

Re: I wanna hear Brian
Posted by: His Majesty ()
Date: June 23, 2010 09:10

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Brian wasn't really involved on Beggars Banquet, apart from some slide on No Expectations; that was the only thing he played on the whole record.

Dear Mick, you don't half talk a load of doo-doo at times.

Re: I wanna hear Brian
Posted by: neptune ()
Date: June 23, 2010 15:23

Dear Keith, Brian did play a lot of guitar in Aftermath. Don't lie.

Re: I wanna hear Brian
Posted by: neptune ()
Date: June 23, 2010 15:33

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His Majesty
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Mick Jagger

Brian wasn't really involved on Beggars Banquet, apart from some slide on No Expectations; that was the only thing he played on the whole record.

Dear Mick, you don't half talk a load of doo-doo at times.

It's quotes like this from Mick that really distort the truth about Brian and negatively impact his legacy. Why can't Mick and Keith focus on any positives about Brian when remembering him? I mean, he was an important figure in the band's history and I think that they should genuinely acknowledge that instead of constantly belittling him.

Re: I wanna hear Brian
Posted by: tonterapi ()
Date: June 23, 2010 16:34

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mitchflorida
Even though he wasn't really contributing anymore, there was no immediate necessity to go through the drama of replacing Brian because no gigs were lined up. We first had to recognize the fact that we needed to make a really good album. After Satanic Majesties we wanted to make a STONES album.
1968 Beggars Banquet Brian Jones Keith Richards
Date: 1968
Brian was very involved in the studio during the Satanic sessions and appears, AFAIK, on almost every track in one way or another. He did that without even liking the album very much. It's even said that he told that to both M and K and adviced them to stay true to the blues. So when they changed direction with JJF Brian is said to have been happy and involved in the work that was going to be BB. Then the second drug bust happend and Brian fell hard.

Re: I wanna hear Brian
Posted by: DiamondDog7 ()
Date: June 24, 2010 11:59

If you wanna hear Brian..... ; GOMPER

I still don't know what it stands for. What does it mean? I'm talking about the title.

Anyway...
He plays most of the instruments on this song. Especially through the end. This is his version of 'Without You, Without Me'. Quite good psychedelica.

It's ironic to read about Brian's feelings towards Their Satanic Majesties Request. He got the oppertunity to play and enjoy on most exotic intruments, but he still didn't like the album. LOL

Re: I wanna hear Brian
Posted by: rootsman ()
Date: June 24, 2010 13:58

Gomper, most probable line-up:

Mick - vocals
Brian - electric dulcimer, recorder
Keith - electric guitar
Bill - bass
Charlie - tabla
Nicky Hopkins - organ
Mick? Brian? Charlie? - percussion

Any other instrumentation is made-up by Keno and others...

Re: I wanna hear Brian
Posted by: tonterapi ()
Date: June 25, 2010 18:36

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DiamondDog7
I still don't know what it stands for. What does it mean? I'm talking about the title.

Anyway...
He plays most of the instruments on this song. Especially through the end. This is his version of 'Without You, Without Me'. Quite good psychedelica.

It's ironic to read about Brian's feelings towards Their Satanic Majesties Request. He got the oppertunity to play and enjoy on most exotic intruments, but he still didn't like the album. LOL
I also want to know what the title is all about. I've read somewhere that it had to do with the Gompa's that can be found in Tibet or Nepal. But it doesn't make that much sense...

Anyway, I wouldn't call this Brian's song since Keith wrote it when jamming with Brian and Nicky. But Brian does a great job on it with his dulcimer, flute and probably some percussion. I'm guessing that it's a tribute to Marocco and it fits well in the psychedelic stuff that was in at that time. I love it!

Re: I wanna hear Brian
Posted by: Edith Grove ()
Date: June 30, 2010 13:57

5 Great Brian Jones Moments with The Stones
Aidin Vaziri | 06.29.2010
Brian Jones was the soul behind The Rolling Stones. Even though the guitarist had fallen out with the band a month before his body was found in his swimming pool on July 2, 1969, his contribution to rock and roll’s greatest gang was immutable – from the way they dressed to the way they sounded. He came up with the band’s name, served as their first manager and gave them their direction. To commemorate the anniversary of his passing, we look back at some of his most influential contributions to the group.

“Not Fade Away” (1964)
One of Jones’ greatest musical roles with the Stones was his fiery harmonica playing. On this early, blues-inspired track it provides the steam for the chugging rhythms and Keith Richards’ scratchy riffs.






“Little Red Rooster” (1964)
The Rolling Stones’ take on this Howlin’ Wolf classic became a No. 1 single in the U.K. The band did a faithful reading of the original with Jones’ slide guitar work introducing an entire generation of shaggy-haired British teenagers to one of rock’s most enduring blues riffs.






“The Last Time” (1965)
Jones played the insistent, melodic blues riff on this Stones classic, the group’s first U.K. single. The Andrew Loog Oldham-production also points the way to the famous “guitar weaving” sound that became the band’s signature later on.






“Paint It, Black” (1966)
Inspired by George Harrison, Jones taught himself to play the sitar and immediate put it to use on two of the most distinctive Stones tunes of all time – “Street Fighting Man” and this psychedelic era staple.






“Let’s Spend The Night Together” (1967)
A group effort saw Richards play piano and bass while Jones provided the ethereal organ sounds that fill out this soulful Stones hit. It was one of the tracks that defined the second phase of the band and one of Jones’ last significant contributions




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Re: I wanna hear Brian
Posted by: His Majesty ()
Date: June 30, 2010 14:44

It's rather doubtful that Keith plays the main piano on LSTNT, more likley to have been either Brian or Jack providing the main part with Keith supplying the upper octaves that come in.

Also, Brian made a lot more significant contributions after that track.

Re: I wanna hear Brian
Posted by: Mathijs ()
Date: June 30, 2010 16:33

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marvpeck
"Let's be the devil's advocate here: what a burden was Brian to the second-most creative duo in the world? Here you are, 26 years old and on top of the world musically, ready to start a four year streak of best-ever Rock albums with a band that is going to be called "the Greatest band in the World" in one year time -and there's this washed up alcoholic slumped in the corned on a one-too-many acid trip, weeping over the loss of his girl to that ever so succesful guitarist and writer of the band you started...

I wouldn't hasitate a bit to throw him out."

Mathijs

So, would you have tossed Keith out a few years later?

What about Ron ?

Re: I wanna hear Brian
Posted by: Squiggle ()
Date: February 26, 2011 17:23

Censored from Our Mind's new header is an excellent, five minute compilation of harmonica playing from the man:

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Re: I wanna hear Brian
Posted by: slew ()
Date: February 26, 2011 17:54

Listen to the chords at the end of It's All Over Now.

Again as on some other threads people are assumming that Mick and Keith were mean to him and rightfully so but I think that Brian drove them to it. It seems to me that Brian could not handle that Mick and Keith became the stars of the show after Brian put the whole thing together. Bill, Charlie and Ian Stewart could accpet this Brian could not and it was to his detrement. If he could have bottled his own ego and been the second guitar player and the guy who picked up all of the other instruments and not got stoned out of his mind all the time then he would have been an asset. If you know the history of the band Brian became a liability as did Keith in the 70's with his drug/legal problems but he always took care of his musical part of the equation. Brian did not he lost interest in the guitar. It may have been best for Brian to have left after 1966-1967 as he did not care for the direction the group was going in. But who knows. I have heard comments from all of the other Stones that Brian had two personalities. Maybe they should have gotten him help but the rest of the Stones were living a dream beyond their comprehension and being 25 years old they looked at Brian and said we need to get rid of him. I wish it had gone down better but it happened.

That said the Brian Jones era of the Rolling Stones produced many a fine moment for us Stones fans and is possibly their best era. Why is Brian not mentioned with Jimi, Janice and Jim Morrison after all he founded one of the best and most influetial bands of all time and he is largely ignored now when people talk of the history of rock 'n' roll and its really not right regardless of his faults and the way he was let go from the band.

Re: I wanna hear Brian
Posted by: alimente ()
Date: February 26, 2011 22:47

Brian, like Jimi, Jim and Janis, died after an extremely creative period in his life, and just like them,at a point in time when he was creatively, mentally and physically a spent force.

It is sad, but if there is someone to blame, it must be Brian himself - again, just like Jimi, Jim and Janis.

Re: I wanna hear Brian
Posted by: tonterapi ()
Date: February 27, 2011 01:04

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slew
If he could have bottled his own ego and been the second guitar player and the guy who picked up all of the other instruments and not got stoned out of his mind all the time then he would have been an asset. If you know the history of the band Brian became a liability as did Keith in the 70's with his drug/legal problems but he always took care of his musical part of the equation. Brian did not he lost interest in the guitar. It may have been best for Brian to have left after 1966-1967 as he did not care for the direction the group was going in.
I'd say he did that most of the time. He was the first/second guitar man until 1966 and then made many songs memorable with his addings of various instruments. He wasn't high "all the time " in the studio either - that has been pretty exaggerated judging by pictures taken between 66 and 68. Before 66 Brian did play a lot of harmonica as well with Keith alone on the guitar but nobody complained about that.
Keith is free to be pissed at Brian for not sticking to the guitar but if Brian had done that nobody would remember him today. Brian couldn't compete with the glimmers song writing - nobody in the band could - so Brian found a way to steal some of the limelight by playing a lot of various instruments. Listening to the songs I'd say that Brian was a huge asset to the Stones musically all the way until alcohol, drugs, depression and paranoia destroyed him in 68.
Remember, drugs wasn't Brian's only problem. He was a difficult persona with an ability to turn his personal life upside down. He wasn't Bill or Charlie. It's pretty amazing that he managed to bring what he did musically to the songs with that in mind.
I'm happy that he didn't leave in 66/67 since his addings - the ones we know of - on Beggars sounds great. The slide on No Expectations and the mellotron on Jigsaw Puzzle for example are stunning! He is said to have loved the direction they were taking with Beggar's Banquet and the single JJF but the second bust destroyed Brian and that ruined every chance he had to get back on track with the Stones.


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alimente
Brian, like Jimi, Jim and Janis, died after an extremely creative period in his life, and just like them,at a point in time when he was creatively, mentally and physically a spent force.

It is sad, but if there is someone to blame, it must be Brian himself - again, just like Jimi, Jim and Janis.
Brian wasn't a spent force in those ways. He had some health problems but his creativity and good spirit was there according to those who met him the last month of his life. Brian himself said that felt better than he done in a long long time and was full of energy to put together a new band. Leaving the Stones was the best thing that could happen to Brian. It'sad to he didn't get to live longer when he worked so hard to be clean from drugs, get his life together and get a new career going.

Re: I wanna hear Brian
Posted by: courtfieldroad ()
Date: February 27, 2011 06:19

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Squiggle
Censored from Our Mind's new header is an excellent, five minute compilation of harmonica playing from the man:

[members7.boardhost.com]

Wow,Mick lovers can praise his harmonica playing to the high heavens, but this video proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that he never came anywhere close to achieving the calibre of playing as a certain bandmate of his did in the earliest of days.

Re: I wanna hear Brian
Posted by: marvpeck ()
Date: February 27, 2011 17:03

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Squiggle
Censored from Our Mind's new header is an excellent, five minute compilation of harmonica playing from the man:

[members7.boardhost.com]

Thanks so much for posting that. That was great.
For my money, the harp is what makes the blues.

Marv Peck

Y'all remember that rubber legged boy

Re: I wanna hear Brian
Posted by: uhbuhgullayew ()
Date: July 8, 2011 20:37

Good stuff on the threads about Brian lately....I also liked this thread quite a bit.

Re: I wanna hear Brian
Posted by: 24FPS ()
Date: July 9, 2011 00:18

I know we get upset when Keith, Mick, or other Stones appear to be hypercritical of Brian, but they were there. They were all like one big f'd up family. And of course it's human nature for Mick, and especially Keith, to downplay their own failings. Within that family context it's probably hard to see the forest for the trees and give individuals their due. John Lennon & Harrison had a tumultous relationship at times, seemingly due to Lennon's inability to see George beyond the school kid who looked up to him. Lennon seemed puzzled by what George became both spiritually and musically.

We've heard a few stories about what Brian did to piss of the rest off the rest of band, the 5 pound extra/secret payment for being the 'leader', stealing Keith's piece of chicken, supposedly ditching some concerts in the Midwest by claiming sickness, but going to hand out with Dylan in New York. We know how things build up in families, ancient grievances, that eventually add up. Too many people have repeated nasty stories about Brian for there not to be something too them. Bill has never gotten specific about what happened between himself and Brian to finally push Bill over the edge. (Of course Brian's plan to learn the bass and get rid of Bill in the beginning was not a great start).

That said, I think I'll got watch my T.A.M.I. show DVD and watch Brian play his choppy rhythm on 'Off The Hook'.

Re: I wanna hear Brian
Posted by: 71Tele ()
Date: July 9, 2011 08:24

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Rockman
.............Wolf whistles on Walkin' The Dog ....

and backing vocals!

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