Hello everybody!

Does anyone know what music Keith played with Open G tuning? And which of your guitars is without the 6th string.
Thank you!

smile: pretty broad question there!
some of his Telecasters are kept in 5-string open g;
and he's had a bunch of custom-made 5-strings (including the Pirate Zemaitis);
but partly the answer depends on what era you're asking about.

ps: have you checked out the Ratbag Boogie index? [www.iorr.org]
you might find it educational ... have fun :E



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2009-10-24 23:58 by with sssoul.

Well, to actually answer the question, Keith played open G in all the songs he did open G with.

Ah ha ha! YEAH! All of the ones he did!

I play in open G but with the sixth string since I only have one guitar. I just don't play it.

To the best of my knowledge...Brown Sugar, Happy (capo on fret 2 or 4), Start Me Up, Honky Tonk Women...She's so Cold, Tumbling Dice (Capo on fret 4), Little Red Rooster, Rocks Off (altered with 6th string to G), Shake Your Hips (altered w/sixth string to G)....probably Street Fighting Man ( don't remember fretting off hand) and at times You Can't Always Get What You Want (capo at fret 4 if I remember correctly)....check out Hal Leonard publications by Wolf Marshall...bests.

....my american deluxe tele is tuned as you mentioned minus 6th string.

...and no expectations

..and Wild Horses is nice in open G tuning.

back to the question:

5-string open G
when did Keith start it?
what guitars were used?

in the mean while I'll snooze...........................................gdnt

>> and Wild Horses is nice in open G tuning <<

just to be clear: there's an open-g guitar on the Stripped version of Wild Horses,
but not on the studio version.

>> 5-string open G: when did Keith start it? what guitars were used? <<

see the interview in the first post in this thread: [www.iorr.org] -
Ted Newman-Jones mentions a Tele in 5-string G during the Exile sessions.

before that ... well, we know that on various occasions from 1969 through 71 he used that ES-330,
the 59 sunburst LP and the Dan Armstrong in open G - but with six strings, not five

unless ... smile: on the 1969 Sullivan show he's got a string dangling prominently from the DA -
was that to make the playback look like 5-string open G? :E



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2009-10-25 08:58 by with sssoul.

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with sssoul

>> 5-string open G: when did Keith start it? what guitars were used? <<


before that ... well, we know that on various occasions from 1969 through 71 he used that ES-330,
the 59 sunburst LP and the Dan Armstrong in open G - but with six strings, not five

This is not correct -the Custom LP used for open G during the 69, 70 and 71 tours only had 5 strings.

Concerning the first use of open G: Brian Jones used it for Little Red Rooster and Can't be Satisfied, then it was re-introduced by Ry Cooder in February/March 1969. Keith first used it on the summer '69 sessions which yielded Downtown Susie (acoustic guitar, but this is most likely Ry Cooder), Honky Tonk Women, I Don't Know Why, I'm Going Down and Jiving Sister Fanny.

Mathijs

>> the Custom LP used for open G during the 69, 70 and 71 tours only had 5 strings. <<

thanks Mathijs for adding the information about the black LP Custom - i was talking about the 59 sunburst LP
that he requisitioned back from Mick T for Honky Tonk Women - that one had all six strings, right?

as for the LP Custom, i've seen so many photos of it with six strings (pre-1969, and in the studio) that i stopped counting.
as i said in my first post, it really depends on when you ask!



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2009-10-26 07:44 by with sssoul.

Brown Sugar
Happy capoed at 4th fret
Sparks Will Fly
Lowdown
Love Is Strong
Jiving Sister Fanny
If You Can't Rock Me
Start Me Up
Honky Tonk Women
Mixed Emotions
Tumbling Dice capoed at 4th fret
Jumpin' Jack Flash capoed at 4th fret live
Street Fighting Man capoed at 4th fret live
You Can't Always Get What You Want capoed at 5th fret live
I Go Wild
Dance Little Sister
Can't You Hear Me Knocking
etc a few more

Is that what you meant?

Hand Of Fate
Struggle

Songs with the main guitar in open G, or a part in open G that can not be played in another key:

All Down the Line
All the Way Down
Baby Break It Down
Back of My Hand
Before They Make Me Run
Black Limousine
Brown Sugar
Can't You Hear Me Knocking
Casino Boogie
Crazy Mama
Dance Little Sister
Don't Stop
Downtown Suzie
Hand of Fate
Happy
Hey Negrita
Highwire
Hold Back
Honky Tonk Women
I Can't Be Satisfied
I Don't Know Why
If You Can't Rock Me
I Got the Blues
I Go Wild
I'm Going Down
It Must Be Hell
It Won't Take Long
Jiving Sister Fanny
Learning the Game
Like a Rolling Stone
Little Red Rooster
Love Is Strong
Low Down
Luxury
Memo from Turner
Might As Well Get Juiced
Mixed Emotions
Moonlight Mile
One Hit (to the Body)
Rip This Joint
Sad Sad Sad
Shake Your Hips
She Saw Me Coming
Silver Train
Sister Morphine
Some Girls
Soul Survivor
Sparks Will Fly
Start Me Up
Stop Breaking Down
Sway
Too Tight
Too Tough
Tops
Tumbling Dice
Turd on the Run
Undercover of the Night
Ventilator Blues
Wanna Hold You
You Got Me Rocking

Songs in open D or E:

Child of the Moon
Let It Bleed
Mona
No Expectations
Prodigal Son
Salt of the Earth
Stray Cat Blues
Street Fighting Man
Sweet Black Angel
You Can't Always Get What You Want
You Gotta Move
You Got the Silver

Mathijs

Never knew that Brian was doin it years before.

But I'm wondering, - as it's often been said that Cooder introduced it and Keith learned it from him. And in 64 Keith and Brian were still pretty close.
So this is a little bit puzzling to me . .

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skipstone
Brown Sugar
Happy capoed at 4th fret
Sparks Will Fly
Lowdown
Love Is Strong
Jiving Sister Fanny
If You Can't Rock Me
Start Me Up
Honky Tonk Women
Mixed Emotions
Tumbling Dice capoed at 4th fret
Jumpin' Jack Flash capoed at 4th fret live
Street Fighting Man capoed at 4th fret live
You Can't Always Get What You Want capoed at 5th fret live
I Go Wild
Dance Little Sister
Can't You Hear Me Knocking
etc a few more

Is that what you meant?

Jumpin is OpenG WITH capo, or only capo in stardard tuning? And "live" in your answers mean is only in lives version?


thank you all for the answers!
(open g and with sssoul how can I contact them?)

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donnarq1
Rocks Off (altered with 6th string to G)

Isn't Rocks Off just in standard tuning?

>> Never knew that Brian was doin it years before. <<

slide guitar was the standard way to use open G ... until Keith got ahold of it :E

>> Jumpin is OpenG WITH capo, or only capo in stardard tuning? <<

in concert Keith uses open G tuning with a capo at the 4th fret for JJF.
the studio version uses open E or D (see [www.timeisonourside.com] )

>> And "live" in your answers mean is only in live version? <<

yeah

>> (open g and with sssoul how can I contact them?) <<

right here?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2009-10-26 07:35 by with sssoul.

Ok Thank you for the answers.
(I had not said anything with email, but if not, all right!)

<Highwire>

Keith is playing in standard tuning here. Mick plays open G.

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with sssoul
>> and Wild Horses is nice in open G tuning <<

just to be clear: there's an open-g guitar on the Stripped version of Wild Horses,
but not on the studio version.

In the studio version there is one open G for sure. I can't remember if the Nashville strung guitar is open G or standard. I think also this one was in open G. Keith's electric is standard tuned.

C

<In the studio version there is one open G for sure.>

Nope. If you listen to the chords on the acoustic guitars you'll find that they are standard and Nashville-tuned.

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DandelionPowderman
<In the studio version there is one open G for sure.>

Nope. If you listen to the chords on the acoustic guitars you'll find that they are standard and Nashville-tuned.

If you are right, I will eat one of my guitars with Ketchup on top.

I tell you more, I even believe that it was written in open G. It is as openGish, as it can get. Take the C / F part. Or the D C Bm runs.

C

You better get your bottle of Heinz and a (open G-tuned) guitar

Listen to the B minor chord, then you'll find that you can't get the high note on a similar open G-chord.

<I can't remember if the Nashville strung guitar is open G or standard. I think also this one was in open G>

www.timeisonourside.com:
I played one of Keith's Gibson acoustic guitars in what they call a Nashville tuning. The guitar is tuned exactly the same way as regular tuning, but you use all first and second strings and you tune them in octaves. It's kind of like playing a 12-string guitar without the other six strings. That's the best way to describe it. I think I played a 12-string too. Keith played the electric solo on Wild Horses.

- Mick Taylor, 1979

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DandelionPowderman
You better get your bottle of Heinz and a (open G-tuned) guitar

Listen to the B minor chord, then you'll find that you can't get the high note on a similar open G-chord.

Of course you can. 2 ways:

1) you can fret with a half barré (using the middle finger) the low B (5th string) the F# (4th string) and the B (3rd string); then use your index for the D and your ring finger for the high B (1st string / IV fret).

2) play it using the normal A minor form, muting the strings you don't fret and using your baby finger to fret the the high B (1st string / IV fret). Depending on which string you mute, the chord has a different sound. If you let ring the open G string (3rd string) you have the voicing Keith uses in the Stripped version.

This does not mean that I'm right about the open G guitar, only your argument is not convincing. Plus, I hear clearly two acoustics, and only one is Nashville strung.

C

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donnarq1
Rocks Off (altered with 6th string to G)

Isn't Rocks Off just in standard tuning?

100% standard tuning.

Mathijs

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Mathijs

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Koen

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donnarq1
Rocks Off (altered with 6th string to G)

Isn't Rocks Off just in standard tuning?

100% standard tuning.

Mathijs

There is a Exile on Mainstreet guitar book that is very well done.



In the book the main guitar is noted to be in open G with the low E string in place and tuned in low E. For years I have not doubted the accuracy of the book. But in the case of Rocks Off, after a similar discussion we had here in the past, I think they made a mistake: I am quite convinced now that it is standard tuning.


C



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2009-10-26 13:26 by liddas.

Liddas, I had a relisten to Wild Horses. I'm 100% positive that Taylor is playing a standard tuned Nashville, and that Keith is playing in standard tuning (with a lot of overtones, which I had forgotten about ).

What might trick you into believe it's open G is the Am7-chords he does on the choruses. The rest is plain G, D and Cs that sounds nothing like it would have been in open G tuning.

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DandelionPowderman
Liddas, I had a relisten to Wild Horses. I'm 100% positive that Taylor is playing a standard tuned Nashville, and that Keith is playing in standard tuning (with a lot of overtones, which I had forgotten about ).

What might trick you into believe it's open G is the Am7-chords he does on the choruses. The rest is plain G, D and Cs that sounds nothing like it would have been in open G tuning.

I don't have a guitar here, and it is hard to say how the guitars are tuned by listening to wild horses on youtube.

That said, there are two acoustic guitars on wild horses. One is the nashville one, and is played by M Taylor. The other one is played by Keith. Then there is the electric, and that again is Keith.

MT is in standard, fair enough, you are right.

But Keith?

There is no way that the second guitar is standard tuned. I have been playing the song for 20 years in open G acoustic. I play it note by note. It's my fave stones ballad. You can't tell me it is not open G.

I will eat TWO guitars, with or without ketchup, if I am wrong.

After that I will retire as a guitarist and cry all night alone-


C