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This is why Keef is called the Riffmaster
Posted by: flilflam ()
Date: April 3, 2010 05:18





I think Keith has at least 1000 of these riffs locked up inside his head. I hope to hear some more on the new CD coming out in 2011.

Re: This is why Keef is called the Riffmaster
Posted by: 5string ()
Date: April 3, 2010 05:47

damn!!!!!!!!!!! that is goooooood!!!! uh huh!!

Re: This is why Keef is called the Riffmaster
Posted by: skipstone ()
Date: April 3, 2010 06:36

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flilflam
...the new CD coming out in 2011.

So you are boldly predicting the future or safely predicting the future?

Re: This is why Keef is called the Riffmaster
Posted by: skipstone ()
Date: April 3, 2010 06:44

Great rhythm machine Keith had on that tour. Drayton and Jordan are fantastic, Keith was just TEARING at it. The intensity of that is fantastic, the rumble, the cutting...good shit, great show - I was lucky enough to catch that tour.

Re: This is why Keef is called the Riffmaster
Date: April 3, 2010 08:05

Winos is the best thing Keith has done since 83 IMO. That was a real man's band.
Those are some of my favorite BU vocals in that song. Keith's guitar riffs are basic Open G, but so good. I liked "Struggle" on the earlier tour a lot. I was privilged to be on the stage for both tours when I saw them. Stage volume was pretty low; except Jordan pounds! that snare.
I sort of preferred Charlie Drayton with longer hair.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2010-04-03 08:09 by Palace Revolution 2000.

Re: This is why Keef is called the Riffmaster
Posted by: stoneswashed77 ()
Date: April 3, 2010 11:48

this is a good example of what i don´t like about keith solo.

it is just one riff, just one idea, but there is creativity missing to turn it into a song. this is very unfinished. a sketch at best.

Re: This is why Keef is called the Riffmaster
Posted by: 6853 ()
Date: April 3, 2010 11:54

that is riff music.
the cutting guitar is in centrum, even overshadowing the singing,
I like it

Re: This is why Keef is called the Riffmaster
Posted by: guitarbastard ()
Date: April 3, 2010 14:28

abolutely outstanding! what a grooving machine (whole band)
and keith at his best. by that time he was still the conducter and the grooving rhythm-mastermind. nowadays he often looks like a spectator on stage.

Re: This is why Keef is called the Riffmaster
Posted by: stoneswashed77 ()
Date: April 3, 2010 19:44

yes i am and i even though i play guitar myself i don´t like if one guitar riff is all there is.

if you don´t hear a difference here between keith solo and the stones than you are the one not being able to differ between a song and a not even half finished sketch.

Re: This is why Keef is called the Riffmaster
Posted by: Bimmelzerbott ()
Date: April 3, 2010 20:02

Thank you for the reminder.

Re: This is why Keef is called the Riffmaster
Posted by: urbanjungle90 ()
Date: April 3, 2010 20:34

That clip is one of the best examples of what the Keith Richards sound is.

Re: This is why Keef is called the Riffmaster
Posted by: skipstone ()
Date: April 3, 2010 20:35

Quote
stoneswashed77
yes i am and i even though i play guitar myself i don´t like if one guitar riff is all there is.

if you don´t hear a difference here between keith solo and the stones than you are the one not being able to differ between a song and a not even half finished sketch.

I'm not a snob like that, nor a stick in the mud. You're complaining about something that has nothing to complain about. By your view, OVER HALF the Stones music is a "half finished sketch" then.

Re: This is why Keef is called the Riffmaster
Posted by: stoneswashed77 ()
Date: April 3, 2010 22:04

no by my logic this keith "song" is a sketch.

i don´t know too many stones songs that are.

and skippy, please don´t put the blame on me that you are mister

"don´t know nothing"

Re: This is why Keef is called the Riffmaster
Posted by: mitchflorida ()
Date: April 3, 2010 22:26

Why didn't Mick record this one?

Re: This is why Keef is called the Riffmaster
Posted by: Erik_Snow ()
Date: April 3, 2010 22:47

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mitchflorida
Why didn't Mick record this one?

....a wild guess....because Keith wrote it ? and didn't let Mick hear it?



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Re: This is why Keef is called the Riffmaster
Posted by: mitchflorida ()
Date: April 3, 2010 22:49

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Erik_Snow
Quote
mitchflorida
Why didn't Mick record this one?

....a wild guess....because Keith wrote it ? and didn't let Mick hear it?

Are you serious? Keith is hiding this song from Mick?

Re: This is why Keef is called the Riffmaster
Posted by: MKjan ()
Date: April 3, 2010 22:56

Quote
mitchflorida
Why didn't Mick record this one?

Have you ever heard of the X-pensive Winos?

Re: This is why Keef is called the Riffmaster
Posted by: mitchflorida ()
Date: April 3, 2010 23:05

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MKjan
Quote
mitchflorida
Why didn't Mick record this one?

Have you ever heard of the X-pensive Winos?

As I mentioned on another thread, Keith is a great musician, but he can't sing.

It strikes me that this song is better than a lot of other things that Mick has recorded. Would you agree?



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Re: This is why Keef is called the Riffmaster
Posted by: Erik_Snow ()
Date: April 3, 2010 23:05

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mitchflorida
Quote
Erik_Snow
Quote
mitchflorida
Why didn't Mick record this one?

....a wild guess....because Keith wrote it ? and didn't let Mick hear it?

Are you serious? Keith is hiding this song from Mick?

Keith wrote it for his solo album Main Offender

Of course that shouldn't stop Mick from obtaining a copy of the instrumental and release it himself, after overdubbing his own vocals.

Re: This is why Keef is called the Riffmaster
Posted by: theimposter ()
Date: April 3, 2010 23:13

I agree with Stonewashed to a point, but I also agree with skipstone. So many of the Stones stuff and especially solo Keith are merely ideas, sketches with good production. But that's not necessarily a bad thing. Like skip said, Happy basically qualifies under that same description.

Take 'Wicked As It Seems' - basically the parent or cousin to 'Love Is Strong'. And while LIS may be a more concise track, wrapped in a tidier package, there is so much more going on in 'Wicked'! It's like all of these different ideas from Keith and his band are scrambling to get in the spotlight of the song. But I never said Keith was a great songwriter in, say, the McCartney or Buddy Holly or Paul Simon sense. He is a great music maker - he do wonderful things on guitar with somewhat limited skills, and he has an excellent set of ears.

And I do like this video, even if it isn't a favorite track. Keith was hot shit on that tour - relishing his frontman role, playing great solos, and doing that cutting rhythm as only he could or can.

Re: This is why Keef is called the Riffmaster
Posted by: MKjan ()
Date: April 3, 2010 23:15

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mitchflorida
Quote
MKjan
Quote
mitchflorida
Why didn't Mick record this one?

Have you ever heard of the X-pensive Winos?

As I mentioned on another thread, Keith is a great musician, but he can't sing.

It strikes me that this song is better than a lot of other things that Mick has recorded. Would you agree?

Everyone has a voice, and rock music does not have to emulate Caruso, I like Keiths voice on a lot of the songs he sings...including this one.

Re: This is why Keef is called the Riffmaster
Date: April 3, 2010 23:20

Keith tailors the lead vocals of his songs to suit his vocal style. He is a musician, but also producer and arranger, and he must know that he is no Jagger. But he has his own mojo. Mater of fact I'd say that after the Winos Keith emerged as a much better vocalist; also more confident as a singer.
But he never uses 'big words' or 'ye olde English' LOL; his singing is much like his guitar playing: it is kind of riffing, much of the same thing over and over, and very rhythm based.
I take "
"Love is Strong" or "Gimme Shelter", or even the co-lead vocal on "Almost hear you sigh" and the minute he sings, as opposed to Jagger singing, the song bops more when he sings; and this is with exactly the same backing track.

Re: This is why Keef is called the Riffmaster
Posted by: doubledoor ()
Date: April 3, 2010 23:31

Nothing beats Mick and Keith working together at the top of their game, but forced to choose between Keiths underdeveloped ideas and Micks overdeveloped ones, I'l take Keith any day. His two solo efforts have more legs and have aged better in my book than the Stones albums of the last twenty years.

Re: This is why Keef is called the Riffmaster
Posted by: ChrisM ()
Date: April 4, 2010 02:32

Can any say where is this from and if a complete show DVD is available?

Re: This is why Keef is called the Riffmaster
Posted by: Erik_Snow ()
Date: April 4, 2010 02:38

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ChrisM
Can any say where is this from and if a complete show DVD is available?

It's from Boston 1993 - and yes the whole show was broadcasted - available on unofficial DVDs of course. You could get it via torrents or download it from the Hot Stuff section....so you wouldn't have to pay for it.
It's one of the most essential 'solo-Stone-footages' - for sure

Re: This is why Keef is called the Riffmaster
Posted by: drewmaster ()
Date: April 4, 2010 02:40

God do I miss **this** Keith Richards. One of the most brilliant and exciting guitarists in history, lost forevermore due to the ravages of arthritis. A @#$%& tragedy, if you ask me.

Drew

Re: This is why Keef is called the Riffmaster
Posted by: redsock ()
Date: April 4, 2010 03:26

saw this tour in new york at the beacon -- a 1.5-hour solid groove! amazing stuff.

great unadorned songs on main offender -- like rough demos.

Re: This is why Keef is called the Riffmaster
Posted by: drewmaster ()
Date: April 4, 2010 03:41

Quote
redsock
saw this tour in new york at the beacon -- a 1.5-hour solid groove! amazing stuff.

great unadorned songs on main offender -- like rough demos.

Indeed. Keith, unlike Mick, understands that great rock and roll does not have to be polished. It can be rough. Like the blues that inspired the Stones in the first place.

Drew

Re: This is why Keef is called the Riffmaster
Posted by: skipstone ()
Date: April 4, 2010 16:14

Huh. Seems something is missing.

Well nevermind then.

Re: This is why Keef is called the Riffmaster
Posted by: nonfilter ()
Date: April 4, 2010 16:53

That's not Charlie Drayton. He didn't play on that show, or maybe that tour. I've got that dvd and read the credits at the end cause I thought he looked different. I always thought this song was undeveloped but now I don't know. The riff wouldn't shine as much if it was more developed. It came right after 'Running Too Deep' on the album, which was more developed as a song, and sounded fairly similar. But the fade out on this song was always about my favorite 30 seconds on the disc. Keith can still do it. He wasn't at the top of his game in late 06 and 07, but it seems like I heard he had a major head injury and some subsequent surgery.

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