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How often do you listen to the unfinished Waiting On A Friend from the GHS sessions? And how often to the finished version on Tattoo You?
Good point.
it's not a good point at all - the time-lapse here makes it a bad point...
In theory, StonesTod, in theory.
After all, we are discussing something that noone of us has ever heard so far.
i've heard it in my head - Exile on The Main Streets of Love....ouch.....
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I like that they decided to finish the songs would have been pointless to officially release half-finished songs
amen.
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WHY does ANY artist do this? Do they SERIOUSLY think ANYONE wants to hear this?
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They're presenting them under the title Exile On Main Street, which implicitly implies a 1972 vintage.
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Raw Power sounded more coherent when Iggy remixed it in 1997.
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>> but Exile is one of the greatest musical documents of all time, and to play around with that <<
they haven't "played around with" any Exile tracks. the tracks they've worked on have not been released before.
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Mick: I added some percussion. I added some vocals. .
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>> but Exile is one of the greatest musical documents of all time, and to play around with that <<
they haven't "played around with" any Exile tracks. the tracks they've worked on have not been released before.
Please read this entire thread. That is not true, according to Mick & Keef:
Rolling Stone: What sort of bits and pieces did you add?
Mick: I added some percussion. I added some vocals. Keith put guitar on one or two. I added some acoustic guitar and some other things. Charlie [Watts] didn't need to come in. The drums were all perfect. "Pass the Wine," for example, was very, very long, so I edited it down. In the spirit of Exile we added some girl background vocals on "Tumbling Dice" and "Shine a Light." We had some nice background vocals on the originals. But I think in the end it's very much sounding like it was in those days, so to speak.
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And you and Mick added new parts to some of them?
There wasn't much to be done and I really didn't want to get in the way of what was there. It was missing a bit of body here and there, and I stroked something on acoustic here and there. But otherwise, I really wanted to leave them pretty much as they were. Mick wanted to sort of fix some vocal things, but otherwise, basically they are as we left them 39 years ago.
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NEW vocals on "Exile" session material? And guitar overdubs?
Total SHITE!
LEAVE IT ALONE!
From the circulating outtakes/alternates there are PLENTY of different vocal performances (Sweet Virginia, Hip Shake, All Down The Line etc.).
And NEWLY WRITTEN LYRICS? PLEASE give me a HUGE break!
This will sound 100% TERRIBLE!
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I like that they decided to finish the songs would have been pointless to officially release half-finished songs
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was there no point for dylan to release many unfinished songs from the sixties and seventies?
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I like that they decided to finish the songs would have been pointless to officially release half-finished songs
amen.
was there no point for dylan to release many unfinished songs from the sixties and seventies?
The ones he released sound pretty 'finished' to me.
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>> but Exile is one of the greatest musical documents of all time, and to play around with that <<
they haven't "played around with" any Exile tracks. the tracks they've worked on have not been released before.
Please read this entire thread. That is not true, according to Mick & Keef:
Rolling Stone: What sort of bits and pieces did you add?
Mick: I added some percussion. I added some vocals. Keith put guitar on one or two. I added some acoustic guitar and some other things. Charlie [Watts] didn't need to come in. The drums were all perfect. "Pass the Wine," for example, was very, very long, so I edited it down. In the spirit of Exile we added some girl background vocals on "Tumbling Dice" and "Shine a Light." We had some nice background vocals on the originals. But I think in the end it's very much sounding like it was in those days, so to speak.
Keith in same article in Rolling Stone
And you and Mick added new parts to some of them?
There wasn't much to be done and I really didn't want to get in the way of what was there. It was missing a bit of body here and there, and I stroked something on acoustic here and there. But otherwise, I really wanted to leave them pretty much as they were. Mick wanted to sort of fix some vocal things, but otherwise, basically they are as we left them 39 years ago.
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I like that they decided to finish the songs would have been pointless to officially release half-finished songs
amen.
was there no point for dylan to release many unfinished songs from the sixties and seventies?
The ones he released sound pretty 'finished' to me.
think back to the first installment of the bootleg series, gary - it ain't been THAT long...especially second disc - you telling me you'd have preferred an overdubbed version of She's Your Lover Now or I'll Keep it With Mine ('66 version) or the early waltz take of LARS? Hearing these tracks in their unadulterated rawness gives the listener a glimpse into the studio and working process of the artist. What the Stones are doing is denying their fans an opportunity of that....shame on them.
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I like that they decided to finish the songs would have been pointless to officially release half-finished songs
amen.
was there no point for dylan to release many unfinished songs from the sixties and seventies?
The ones he released sound pretty 'finished' to me.
think back to the first installment of the bootleg series, gary - it ain't been THAT long...especially second disc - you telling me you'd have preferred an overdubbed version of She's Your Lover Now or I'll Keep it With Mine ('66 version) or the early waltz take of LARS? Hearing these tracks in their unadulterated rawness gives the listener a glimpse into the studio and working process of the artist. What the Stones are doing is denying their fans an opportunity of that....shame on them.
Those tracks you mention, fair enough. But thats 3 songs out of 58 (well, maybe 5, if you count the cough at the end of 'Suze' and the dog yelping on 'Every Grain of sand') The first two are 98% perfect apart from a fluffed line and the version of LARS is there mainly as a curio to show how the Greatest Single Of All Time started out.
I just dont get the impression the Stones work the same way in the studio. Its an apples and oranges thing. It seems pretty well established that a lot of the lyrics and vocals on Exile werent developed until they were doing the overdubbing. Dylan has released plenty of songs on his studio albums (and on live albums) which contain flubbed lines, missed cues and all. I can think of plenty off the top of my head. Doing something similar on a Bootleg Series release isn't really that big a deal.
To be honest, my main gripe is that they didnt fill the CD with some more songs - be it the 'warts n all' type of thing you suggest, alternate takes of the released songs or even a few of the songs that have already been bootlegged but in inferior quality. If there was a mass-tinkering of the 10/11 songs we're getting, then what you're saying is fair enough, but with one or two exceptions it seems pretty minimal and could be barely noticeable - so I'll suspend my delight/outrage (delete where applicable) until I hear them.
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They're presenting them under the title Exile On Main Street, which implicitly implies a 1972 vintage.
...and yet the true fans that this is targeted at know what's going on here. And those that don't will when "Plunder my Soul" is released a full month before the Deluxe Edition. And for those living in a cave I'm sure there will be a sticker on the CD explaining the contents. Some people are waaaaaaaay over thinking this or are just too nitpicky.
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They're presenting them under the title Exile On Main Street, which implicitly implies a 1972 vintage.
...and yet the true fans that this is targeted at know what's going on here. And those that don't will when "Plunder my Soul" is released a full month before the Deluxe Edition. And for those living in a cave I'm sure there will be a sticker on the CD explaining the contents. Some people are waaaaaaaay over thinking this or are just too nitpicky.
The sticker's not going to say that some of the tracks feature a 27-year-old Keith and a 66-year old Mick. I'm not AS bothered by instrumental overdubs, but I don't see how you can put the VOICE of a 66-year-old Mick on anything that's being released under the title Exile On Main Street. Better to have just left them without any vocals at all. What's wrong with instrumentals? Nothing, that's what.
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if i don't like it i'l say so but man, catch a clue: THIS IS GREAT NEWS!
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You are fans. Pure and simple. Your opinion means jack sh*t.
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JMARKO
WHY does ANY artist do this? Do they SERIOUSLY think ANYONE wants to hear this?
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JMARKO
NEW vocals on "Exile" session material? And guitar overdubs?
Total SHITE!
LEAVE IT ALONE!
From the circulating outtakes/alternates there are PLENTY of different vocal performances (Sweet Virginia, Hip Shake, All Down The Line etc.).
And NEWLY WRITTEN LYRICS? PLEASE give me a HUGE break!
This will sound 100% TERRIBLE!
J