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Luxury kicks ass, has a great groove, a great melody, a unique and instantly recognizable sound - in other words, everything that tracks like Hold Back dont have.
True, but Luxury is still just a filler track. Nothing brilliant about it at all.
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Thinking about it, thats what I dearly miss from a lot of later Stones stuff, ABB in particular, where songs often sound constructed and lifeless...
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Thinking about it, thats what I dearly miss from a lot of later Stones stuff, ABB in particular, where songs often sound constructed and lifeless...
bingo.
when the muse is behind the creative process, it flows and it seems the songs have written themselves. always been that way. when the muse ain't "on," songs have that feeling of having been consciously, artificially, deliberately contrived or fabricated... unfortunately that's the mode the glimmers have been in the past 30 or so years....
1.mick never said he was leaving the stones and signed a mult-record deal to work with them but to you it was "fairly obvious" he wasnt into being a rolling stone.why?it wasnt that keith -media blitz that made you think this was it?2.mick wasntup to par as he was concentrating on his own stuff"-yeah mick never multi-tasks right?you know-designing a stage,mapping out a tour with promoters,staying in shape,working with a vocal coach,rehearsing,etc.ever stop to think maybe his band was too much of a trainwreck to be around let alone work with?3.so you read in a book that mick is conceited?wow you mean rock stars have big egos?im shocked.4.and now for our final total bulsht,fantasy land keith richards made up story of the last quarter of a century-"keith never put out a solo album until he was sure mick wasnt commited to the band"-hes been selling this for a longg time-the guy said in an interview in 1979 he was "putting some songs together for his own record"read this slowly -NINETEEN SEVENTY NINE. stop reading crap from books by no-count hangers on and keith interviews and face reality and just look at the facts,its much different than the garbage we,ve all been fed for years.Quote
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lem - Jagger never actually stated he wanted to end the Stones but it was fairly obvious in 1985-1986 that he was not into being a Rolling Stone at all I firmly believe that has She's the Boss been a huge hit Mick would not have gone back to the Stones. Mick was not up to par on Dirty Work he was concentrating on his own stuff. He clearly did not want the Stones to do live Aid and his vocals on DW just plain suck. Did he need a break from Keitth yes I can see that and after reading Bill German's book and a couple of others I can see why the other 4 neeeded a break from a very very conceited Mick Jagger. I can see how both of them could be a real pain in the ass to work with. There is some truth in that Keith is somewhat of what you sated above but he is all about the Stones he never put a solo album out until he was sure the Mick was not committed to the band.
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I had not listened to Hold Back in many years, I listened to it tonight actually I tried the song has no redeeming qualities it might be my least favorite Stones track ever.
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Slick
"Stalin and Roosevelt
Both took their chances
And George grasped the nettle
It's do or dare
From the banks of the Delaware"
incredibly lame lmao!!!
To me, by far! "Let somebody do your dirty work ... find some greaseball find some jerk ... do it all for free" ... "it's beginning to make me angry etc.". Come on, how lame is that! As others pointed out, it seems to me like Mick was in a hurry and just thought of the quickest easiest topic that came to him on the top of his head. And Back To Zero, wow! As for a song about anti-nuclear weapons go, these lyrics are actually embarrassing.Quote
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slew
... Fight and Hold On are two of his worst vocal performances ever in my book...
Dirty Work has the worst lyrics of all time???? I don't know about that. It seems to have a political message that some won't / don't agree with,though.
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agreed, pretty lame. But many of the lines in "Sympathy" are not much better. It's the same history-book idea he's gone on to use for several songs.
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>> But many of the lines in "Sympathy" are not much better. <<
er ... are you sure you really want to leave your mark on statements like that for archeologists to dig up 500 years from now?
the concept of Sympathy - even if some of the lines sound odd out of context - is timelessly stunning.
on this one Mick couldn't even decide whether the idea is "hold back" or "don't hold back"
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nope! the farthest i can elevate it is to call it a rough draft that Jagger had good reasons for abandoning -
how's that? :E
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I'm sorry, but really laughable you Stones fans - "the DW lyrics are bad".
bWWWWWHAHHHH~
Folks, this is rock n roll. Is your life really so insignificant that you look to RNR for some insight? Get out of your houses, folks, go to your nearest library! Read some Dostoyevsky, some Twain, some Faulkner, some Wolfe, something. Expecting to get some meaning (or whatever) from Rolling Stones' lyrics is a little pathetic, to say the least.
This is rock music. The expected end product is--- your booty shakes. I put "Hold Back" on my turntable because I want my anal-area to shake vigorously from left to right. See! But-wiggle, that's what we rock fans are after. Remember?
You folks reading lyrics, repeat after me, "my baby does the Hanky Panky, my baby does the Hanky Panky"
And, I'm really getting a big giggle reading how you "what kind of music could a Hold Back fan really like?"fans are over on the Emotional Rescue thread expressing what a great rock song that is. It's the lyrics, I suppose....
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slew
Rock and a Hard Place is better than anything on Dirty Work except One hit!