Oh yes, the lot who listen to Yes and all that.

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supposably he cut a few more new vocals from that era of songs for the ne'er-to-be released rumor or album, called Memory Hotel...songs like Fiji Jim, for instance....

I've often wondered if the Fiji Jim rumor is true. How did that rumor start? Any reliable sources? Did someone mention it in an interview or something?

How great would it be to hear that one re-done like So Young... can't even begin to imagine!

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StonesTod

supposably he cut a few more new vocals from that era of songs for the ne'er-to-be released rumor or album, called Memory Hotel...songs like Fiji Jim, for instance....

I've often wondered if the Fiji Jim rumor is true. How did that rumor start? Any reliable sources? Did someone mention it in an interview or something?

How great would it be to hear that one re-done like So Young... can't even begin to imagine!

i read/heard about it in several sources, including a pretty reliable inside source who confirmed it - i think there is such an album in the can somewhere - the stones opted against it at the time due to understandable salability concerns...

How is Mannish Boy and Dance Pt 2 a rarity? Especially when sucking in the 70s was also released.


Charlie

I think any track limited to Promo release or one country should have been the rules:

Harlem Shuffle (Live)/Let It Rock (Live) - U.K. Only
Winning Ugly (N.Y. Mix) - Canada Only
Angie (Live)/I Just Want To Make Love To You (Live) - Japan Only


I don't think I need to list all the promos.

And then if there is still a need for more tracks use all the vinyl only '12 mixes and B Sides.

I believe Bill Cosby answered, "as to the why question - why is there air?" with "I don't know, ask the basketball."

easy. release unreleased songs. rarities was anything but rare and a huge disappointment IMO.

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supposably he cut a few more new vocals from that era of songs for the ne'er-to-be released rumor or album, called Memory Hotel...songs like Fiji Jim, for instance....

I've often wondered if the Fiji Jim rumor is true. How did that rumor start? Any reliable sources? Did someone mention it in an interview or something?

How great would it be to hear that one re-done like So Young... can't even begin to imagine!

In an interview with (if I recall it right) a german guitar player magazine Chris Kimsey stated that the Stones instructed him to go through the archives and find releasable material for the Voodoo Lounge project, if not for the album, at least for use as singles b-sides. He said that he found "a handful of tracks" and specifically mentioned So Young, Fiji Jim, Shame Shame Shame, We Had It All, Lets Go Steady. He mentioned that for a couple of tracks, Jagger had to record new vocals because the original recordings had only guide vocals. He regretted that only So Young was used because he thought that the tracks he found were all "pretty good". So, yes, its pretty definitive that some archives tracks were worked on (and finished?) during the Voodoo Lounge sessions, and this unreleased Memory Hotel album project most probably would have included them - amongst more recent outtakes.

Fiji Jim is one of my favourite Stones outtakes, and theres a finished version in the vaults, with new vocals from the VL sessions, just like So Young!



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With some effort - they could finish some of these songs and release a "Rarities Vol II" - or they could have done a real "Voodoo Lounge Deluxe" version with the unreleased songs added - for that sake also with B&B, SG, EOMS. That would have been a great treat. There quite many of these songs out circulating already. But sadly it seems our guys are too lazy / laid back to do it.

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In an interview with (if I recall it right) a german guitar player magazine Chris Kimsey stated that the Stones instructed him to go through the archives and find releasable material for the Voodoo Lounge project, if not for the album, at least for use as singles b-sides. He said that he found "a handful of tracks" and specifically mentioned So Young, Fiji Jim, Shame Shame Shame, We Had It All, Lets Go Steady. He mentioned that for a couple of tracks, Jagger had to record new vocals because the original recordings had only guide vocals. He regretted that only So Young was used because he thought that the tracks he found were all "pretty good". So, yes, its pretty definitive that some archives tracks were worked on (and finished?) during the Voodoo Lounge sessions, and this unreleased Memory Hotel album project most probably would have included them - amongst more recent outtakes.

I confirm this as I remember a Chris Kimsey interview in a French magazine in july/august 1994 where he mentionned having recently worked on So Young, Fiji Jim, Shame Shame Shame, We Had It All, Lets Go Steady and maybe some other tracks (I thought there were 8 tracks in total but can't remenber what were the 3 others...)

Ah ha! Pretty funny that the 'forward looking' Jagger would want to work on old recordings!

How could it have been made any worse?

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Ah ha! Pretty funny that the 'forward looking' Jagger would want to work on old recordings!

Its nothing new exactly. For Exile they used some songs that were composed as early as 1969 and did not make it on Let It Bleed or Sticky Fingers. Well, Tattoo You is the most famouse "archive exploitation" album. Undercover has Too Tough which is based on a Black And Blue-era instrumental. Just some examples for the fact that they did not always start a new album from scratch, but listened to old and unused ideas from previous recording sessions.

Oh I'm aware of all of that. But to go from recordings done in 1977-79 and work on them in 1994? It's just a hilariously huge difference.

Instead of waiting for the super legacy platinum deluxe release of Rarities, I've made my own "Rarities and more" compilation while digitalizing my Stones cd's for future listening in my new car :

01. Rice Crispies Commercial
02. Con Le Mie Lacrime
03. Brown Sugar (US Hot Rocks Release)
04. Wild Horses (US Hot Rocks Release)
05. Let It Rock (live 1971)
06. Exile On Main Street Blues
07. All Down The Line (US Single Version)
08. Through The Lonely Nights
09. Miss You (12 Inch Mix)
10. Before They Make Me Run (Bob Clearmountain mix)
11. Everything Is Turnning To Gold
12. If I Was A Dancer (Dance Pt. 2)
13. When The Whip Comes Down (live 1978)
14. Beast Of Burden (live 1981)
15. Undercover of the Night (12 Inch Mix)
16. Feel On Baby (Instrumental Dub)
17. Think I'm Going Mad
18. Fancy Man Blues
19. Cook Cook Blues
20. Wish I'd Never Met You
21. I Just Want To Make Love To You (live 1990)
22. Play With Fire (live 1989)
23. 2000 Light Years From Home (live 1990)
24. Undercover Of The Night (live 1989)
25. Harlem Shuffle (live 1990)
26. Tumbling Dice (live 1990)
27. Street Fighting Man (live 1990)
28. Gimme Shelter (live 1989)
29. Love Is Strong (Bob Clearmountain mix)
30. The Storm
31. So Young
32. Jump On Top Of Me
33. I'm Gonna Drive
34. The Rocky Road To Dublin (with The Chieftains)
35. I Go Wild (live 1994)
36. Black Limousine (live 1995)
37. All Down The Line (live 1995)
38. Live With Me (live 1995)
39. Tumbling Dice (live 1995)
40. Gimme Shelter (live 1995)
41. Angie (live 1995)
42. Anyway You Look At It
43. Paying The Cost To Be The Boss (with BB King)
44. Out Of Control (live 1998)
45. Honest I Do
46. Don't Stop
47. Keys To Your Love
48. Stealing My Heart
49. Losing My Touch
50. Under The Radar
51. Don't Wanna Go Home
52. If You Can't Rock Me (live 2003)
53. Hurricane
54. Thru And Thru (live 2003)
55. Biggest Mistake (instrumental)
56. Dance (Pt1) (live 2003)
57. Before They Make Me Run (live 2003)
58. Hand Of Fate (live 2003)

I didn't include a lot of "remixes" which I mostly don't like but I've included the Sucking in the 70's & 40 licks tracks as I didn't want to make full copy of these 2 releases.

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Oh I'm aware of all of that. But to go from recordings done in 1977-79 and work on them in 1994? It's just a hilariously huge difference.

On paper, yes. But play Fancy Man Blues (1989), The Storm (1994), So Young (1977, vocals 1994) and Jump On Top Of Me (1994) in a row - does anything sound out of place?

Yeah something does sound out of place.

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I'm curious about So Young. He did a new vocal for it during the Voodoo sessions? For certain? The big question there is, or maybe several of 'em - why that song? Why then? Why not something else? Was it actually done then? Are there more?

ETC...

In the beginning, the "Jump Back" compilation was supposed to contain some unreleased trax. "So Young", "Fiji Jim" and some other trax were redone for this purpose. At this date, "So Young" surfaced on a VL single b-side.

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Instead of waiting for the super legacy platinum deluxe release of Rarities, I've made my own "Rarities and more" compilation while digitalizing my Stones cd's for future listening in my new car :

01. Rice Crispies Commercial
02. Con Le Mie Lacrime
03. Brown Sugar (US Hot Rocks Release)
04. Wild Horses (US Hot Rocks Release)
05. Let It Rock (live 1971)
06. Exile On Main Street Blues
07. All Down The Line (US Single Version)
08. Through The Lonely Nights
09. Miss You (12 Inch Mix)
10. Before They Make Me Run (Bob Clearmountain mix)
11. Everything Is Turnning To Gold
12. If I Was A Dancer (Dance Pt. 2)
13. When The Whip Comes Down (live 1978)
14. Beast Of Burden (live 1981)
15. Undercover of the Night (12 Inch Mix)
16. Feel On Baby (Instrumental Dub)
17. Think I'm Going Mad
18. Fancy Man Blues
19. Cook Cook Blues
20. Wish I'd Never Met You
21. I Just Want To Make Love To You (live 1990)
22. Play With Fire (live 1989)
23. 2000 Light Years From Home (live 1990)
24. Undercover Of The Night (live 1989)
25. Harlem Shuffle (live 1990)
26. Tumbling Dice (live 1990)
27. Street Fighting Man (live 1990)
28. Gimme Shelter (live 1989)
29. Love Is Strong (Bob Clearmountain mix)
30. The Storm
31. So Young
32. Jump On Top Of Me
33. I'm Gonna Drive
34. The Rocky Road To Dublin (with The Chieftains)
35. I Go Wild (live 1994)
36. Black Limousine (live 1995)
37. All Down The Line (live 1995)
38. Live With Me (live 1995)
39. Tumbling Dice (live 1995)
40. Gimme Shelter (live 1995)
41. Angie (live 1995)
42. Anyway You Look At It
43. Paying The Cost To Be The Boss (with BB King)
44. Out Of Control (live 1998)
45. Honest I Do
46. Don't Stop
47. Keys To Your Love
48. Stealing My Heart
49. Losing My Touch
50. Under The Radar
51. Don't Wanna Go Home
52. If You Can't Rock Me (live 2003)
53. Hurricane
54. Thru And Thru (live 2003)
55. Biggest Mistake (instrumental)
56. Dance (Pt1) (live 2003)
57. Before They Make Me Run (live 2003)
58. Hand Of Fate (live 2003)

I didn't include a lot of "remixes" which I mostly don't like but I've included the Sucking in the 70's & 40 licks tracks as I didn't want to make full copy of these 2 releases.

This is mine - it runs to 6 CDs and it's probably still not complete!

Real Rarities (Disc 1)
1: 01 Brown Sugar (Vinyl Mono)
2: 02 Bitch (Vinyl Mono)
3: 03 Let It Rock (Vinyl Mono)
4: 04 Sway (US 'b' side)
5: 05 Brown Sugar (Hot Rocks version)
6: 06 Wild Horses (Hot Rocks version)
7: 07 All Down The Line (US 'b' side)
8: 08 Star Star (Censored US Vinyl)
9: 09 Through The Lonely Nights
10: 10 Miss You 45
11: 11 Faraway Eyes 45
12: 12 Beast Of Burden (8 Track)
13: 13 Shattered (8 Track)
14: 14 Miss You (8 Track)
15: 15 Time Waits For No One (extended)

Real Rarities (Disc 2)
1: 16 Everything Is Turning To Gold
2: 17 When The Whip Comes Down [Live]
3: 18 If I Was A Dancer (Dance Pt. 2)
4: 19 Beast Of Burden (Live)
5: 20 Think I'm Going Mad
6: 21 One Hit (To The Body) 45
7: 22 Fancy Man Blues
8: 23 Rock And A Hard Place 45
9: 24 Cook Cook Blues
10: 25 Wish I'd Never Met You
11: 26 Terrifying 45
12: 27 Highwire 45
13: 28 2000 Light Years From Home (Live)
14: 29 I Just Want To Make Love To You (Live)

Real Rarities (Disc 3)
1: 30 Play With Fire (Live)
2: 31 Undercover Of The Night (Live)
3: 32 Harlem Shuffle [Live]
4: 33 Sexdrive 45
5: 34 Tumbling Dice (Live)
6: 35 Street Fighting Man (Live)
7: 36 Gimmie_Shelter (charity)
8: 37 Love Is Strong [Re-Mix]
9: 38 The Storm
10: 39 So Young
11: 40 Out Of Tears (Don Was Edit)
12: 41 Jump On Top Of Me (Pret-A-Porter)
13: 42 I'm Gonna Drive
14: 43 Sparks Will Fly (Radio Clean)
15: 44 I Go Wild (Scott Litt remix)

Real Rarities (Disc 4)
1: 45 I Go Wild (Live)
2: 46 Who Do You Love (Live with Bo Diddley, VL DVD)
3: 47 The Rocky Road To Dublin (with The Dubliners)
4: 48 Like A Rolling Stone (Live Single Edit)
5: 49 Black Limousine (Live)
6: 50 All Down the Line (Live)
7: 51 Live With Me (Live)
8: 52 Tumbling Dice (Live)
9: 53 Gimme Shelter (Live)
10: 54 Paying The Cost To Be The Boss (with BB King)
11: 55 Anybody Seen My Baby (LP Edit)
12: 56 Saint Of Me (Radio Edit)
13: 57 Angie (Live Jap B2B )
14: 58 Anyway You Look At It
15: 59 Honest I Do (Hope Floats soundtrack)

Real Rarities (Disc 5)
1: 60 Out Of Control (Album Radio Edit)
2: 61 I Just Want To Make Love To You (Live Jap NS)
3: 62 Miss You (Dr. Dre Remix 2002, Austin Powers Goldmember soundtrack))
4: 63 Don't Stop (Single Edit)
5: 64 Keys To Your Love
6: 65 Stealing My Heart
7: 66 Losing My Touch
8: 67 If You Can't Rock Me (Jap Live Licks)
9: 68 It's All Over Now (Live itunes)
10: 69 I Can't Turn You Loose (Live Four Flicks DVD)
11: 70 Extreme Western Grip (Four Flicks DVD)
12: 71 Well Well (Four Flicks DVD)
13: 72 Love Train (Live Four Flicks DVD)
14: 73 Thru & Thru (Live)

Real Rarities (Disc 6)
1: 74 Rain Fall Down
2: 75 Under The Radar
3: 76 Don't Wanna Go Home
4: 77 Dance (Pt. 1) [Live]
5: 78 Before They Make Me Run [Live]
6: 79 Hand Of Fate (Live vinyl 45)
7: 80 Bob Wills Is Still The King (Live BB DVD)
8: 81 Learning The Game (Live BB DVD)
9: 82 I Can't Be Satisfied (Live BB DVD)
10: 83 Night Time Is The Right Time (Live BB DVD)
11: 84 Get Up, Stand Up (Live BB DVD)
12: 85 Mr. Pitiful (Live BB DVD)
13: 86 Undercover Of The Night (Live Jap SAL)


"As we say in England, it can get a bit trainspottery"



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rarities would be better if it didnt exist, or if they went back to the drawing board and did it right this time

They should have taken "Mannish Boy" off and replaced it with "I think I'm Going Mad".Don't get me wrong Mannish Boy is a great song ,but it is already on Love You Live and Sucking in The Seventies.It is hardly a rare song at all."Live with me" is already on Get Yer Ya-Ya's Out and No Security and should have been replaced with something else.

Hey Gimme Chris, I got you wrong.

HA HA!

by putting out unreleased songs for one. rare? OOOFFFF! what a disappointment this one was.

Was We Had It All a Keith vocal? I've never heard it.

It's one of the most common stones outtakes, and IMO one of Keiths most moving studio performance.

Munichhilton mentioned it already:

The "She was hot" radio version is really great and would have been a nice and real rarity!

'rare' can mean undercooked.