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It's a killer studio track, indeed, but it's more a "mood" thing with subtle dynamics that would be difficult to recreate in a live setting, just like Heaven or I Just Want To See His Face and the like...
...then again, I could not trust my ears when they pulled out "Moon Is Up" at Shepherd's Bush in 1999 (I was actually there...). But did it really grab me? Not really - to be totally honest...
Same here. Always portrayed a post-WW II years scenario to me.
It's a very special tune, a singleton in their oevre. Sounds somehow a little unfinished but that only adds to its charm. It doesn't sound like a carefully planned song to me, rather like something that took its start spontaneously in the studio. To me it's the stand-out track on ER because it is so different from the rest.
If memory serves, they just recorded it off the bat as a jam. Then they did one more take (would have loved to hear both). IMO, it only adds to its brilliance. The harp and the guitars are phenomenal. The vocals as well - great track!
Thanks for the info! Being able to listn to both versions side by side would be cool!.
This is the released version but with (some) different guitars. The first version is available as Stuck in the Cold.
Mathijs
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2024-10-24 13:36 by Mathijs.
They have played Dance, Let Me Go, Emotional Rescue, She's So Cold and All About You - half of the album.
And had they toured EMOTIONAL RESCUE the list surely would be longer. Now only two songs survived for the tour they promoted TATTOO YOU, and for which EMOTIONAL RESCUE was old news. But probably that fact also says that they weren't that impressed for the material in that album since, for example, they still kept on playing something like four songs regularly from SOME GIRLS. Or probably that says more like that SOME GIRLS was a pretty exceptional album contentwise.
But that they afterwards, many many years later, did play occasionally some 'never played before' tunes from EMOTIONAL RESCUE says that they still consider it somehow potential album songwise (or at least that it exists
), contrast to 'lost albums' like UNDERCOVER and DIRTY WORK, or about any album they actually toured since STEEL WHEELS after their heyday.
That said, pure statistical facts do not really say much. There are lots of things to consider to get the picture.
- Doxa
Edited 4 time(s). Last edit at 2024-10-25 15:02 by Doxa.
Well, very effective lyrics, going damn well with the mood of music, but yeah, is there some specific target there, or is it just an over-all reflection of despair and sadness?
If there is some specific subject I think that particular term "American zone" makes me think the post-war, ruined Berlin. I think all of those lyrics make sense in that context, as describing the hopeless situation, both physically and mentally, of those Germans who survived.
- Doxa
Edited 5 time(s). Last edit at 2024-10-26 15:37 by Doxa.
"Begging for cigarettes, begging for nylons"...yeah I always thought postwar Berlin.
Would love that indeed!
They continued at Pathe Marconi for Undercover and Dirty Work, though, and there are great outtakes from those sessions, too.
For the 1981-82 tours they handled EMOTIONAL RESCUE not nearly as many to how they handled IT'S ONLY ROCK'N'ROLL for the 1975-76 tours: a recent new release with two songs (for IORR they did four songs). Although Let Me Go and She's So Cold made sense it's too bad they didn't play Summer Romance as well since the 1981-82 tour was all about playing the songs in a snarly aggressive manner.
Regarding UNDERCOVER they've played UOTN quite a bit, She Was Hot on the BANG tour (fortunately they haven't since because it was terrible, like how they play She's So Cold - they just plow through it) and Wanna Hold You on the BRIDGES and BANG tours. Unfortunately they haven't played All The Way Down, which would be fantastic live. I know Ronnie has played Pretty Beat Up at some of his shows - it's too bad the Stones have never played it at a club show.
Obviously they'll never play anything from DIRTY WORK again, although they did play Harlem Shuffle in 2019. One Hit only lasted 18 shows in 1989. Afterall, Ronnie's solo in Toronto is so awesome that Mick exclaims "That's alright".
That's a joke.
The entire performance of One Hit was not even pedestrian. Keith sounds restricted in standard tuning. Keith's playing was tepid at best, which is odd, with One Hit live. He got his act together with TALK IS CHEAP and got the open G back in kick ass shape with Take It So Hard, Struggle, You Don't Move Me and How I Wish, which maybe he should've been using open G when they did One Hit live in 1989.
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Down in a hole
Posted by:
umakmehrd
()
Date: October 17, 2024 22:07
I started listening to Emotional Rescue album again after a long hiatus, such a fun album right from the get go. I had kind of forgotten about Down in a hole but now can't stop listening to it 
My question is why don't they do this one live it would be killer !! Thoughts ?
My question is why don't they do this one live it would be killer !! Thoughts ?Re: Down in a hole
Posted by:
bakersfield
()
Date: October 18, 2024 09:51
I think it might drag in a stadium.....
Maybe an arena or club show possibly.
Given that only one or two deeper cuts steal into a setlist these says, there are an awful lot of great songs in the queue before Mick and Chuck consider Down in The Hole.
Maybe an arena or club show possibly.
Given that only one or two deeper cuts steal into a setlist these says, there are an awful lot of great songs in the queue before Mick and Chuck consider Down in The Hole.
Re: Down in a hole
Posted by:
treaclefingers
()
Date: October 18, 2024 15:27
This is an overlooked gem. A highlight of Emotional Rescue.
Re: Down in a hole
Posted by:
micha063
()
Date: October 19, 2024 15:41
This is one of my favorite tunes of ER from the very beginning in 1980.
I always wondered why they didn't try to perform it.
I always wondered why they didn't try to perform it.
Re: Down in a hole
Posted by:
retired_dog
()
Date: October 19, 2024 19:05
Quote
umakmehrd
I started listening to Emotional Rescue album again after a long hiatus, such a fun album right from the get go. I had kind of forgotten about Down in a hole but now can't stop listening to it
It's a killer studio track, indeed, but it's more a "mood" thing with subtle dynamics that would be difficult to recreate in a live setting, just like Heaven or I Just Want To See His Face and the like...
...then again, I could not trust my ears when they pulled out "Moon Is Up" at Shepherd's Bush in 1999 (I was actually there...). But did it really grab me? Not really - to be totally honest...
Re: Down in a hole
Posted by:
doitywoik
()
Date: October 19, 2024 20:06
Down In The Hole might work live if the Stones ever did a laid-back jamband show (as might a few other songs). But chances are slim they would ever do a laid-back jamband show.
Re: Down in a hole
Posted by:
waterrats
()
Date: October 19, 2024 21:12
Yea, that track stood out. I remember when I heard ER the first time and had to struggle to get close to the band again after a year long gap of mostly interest in Jazz. That song clearly hooked me again and helped me to get back to my love of this band...
Re: Track Talk: Down In The Hole
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
()
Date: October 20, 2024 22:52
Someone posted this on page 2, mistitled as a demo. This is the LP take before the vocals were finished. Interesting to hear the sections that were edited out for the finished version.
Re: Track Talk: Down In The Hole
Posted by:
doitywoik
()
Date: October 23, 2024 10:13
Quote
GreenbluesQuote
Silver Dagger
Probably my favourite track on Emotional Rescue. The song has a real menacing air to it - was it possibly inspired by Apocalypse Now or Vietnam in general....those lyrics about bumming for cigarettes in the American zone always make me think of that film.
I guess the song is much more connected to "The Third Man" and "A Foreign Affair" (or at least some post WW II scenario) than to "Apocaplypse Now", as references like "American zone", "bumming for Nylons", "your black market cigarettes" etc. suggest. Maybe Jagger's singing about some Harry Lime/Marlene Dietrich hybrid here, inspired by watching some of these movies.
Same here. Always portrayed a post-WW II years scenario to me.
It's a very special tune, a singleton in their oevre. Sounds somehow a little unfinished but that only adds to its charm. It doesn't sound like a carefully planned song to me, rather like something that took its start spontaneously in the studio. To me it's the stand-out track on ER because it is so different from the rest.
Re: Track Talk: Down In The Hole
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
()
Date: October 23, 2024 10:52
Quote
doitywoikQuote
GreenbluesQuote
Silver Dagger
Probably my favourite track on Emotional Rescue. The song has a real menacing air to it - was it possibly inspired by Apocalypse Now or Vietnam in general....those lyrics about bumming for cigarettes in the American zone always make me think of that film.
I guess the song is much more connected to "The Third Man" and "A Foreign Affair" (or at least some post WW II scenario) than to "Apocaplypse Now", as references like "American zone", "bumming for Nylons", "your black market cigarettes" etc. suggest. Maybe Jagger's singing about some Harry Lime/Marlene Dietrich hybrid here, inspired by watching some of these movies.
Same here. Always portrayed a post-WW II years scenario to me.
It's a very special tune, a singleton in their oevre. Sounds somehow a little unfinished but that only adds to its charm. It doesn't sound like a carefully planned song to me, rather like something that took its start spontaneously in the studio. To me it's the stand-out track on ER because it is so different from the rest.
If memory serves, they just recorded it off the bat as a jam. Then they did one more take (would have loved to hear both). IMO, it only adds to its brilliance. The harp and the guitars are phenomenal. The vocals as well - great track!
Re: Track Talk: Down In The Hole
Posted by:
matxil
()
Date: October 23, 2024 12:32
Great song on a good album.
Re: Track Talk: Down In The Hole
Posted by:
Silver Dagger
()
Date: October 23, 2024 12:52
Here's a great version by our own IORR Band.
Re: Track Talk: Down In The Hole
Posted by:
doitywoik
()
Date: October 23, 2024 13:10
Quote
DandelionPowderman
If memory serves, they just recorded it off the bat as a jam. Then they did one more take (would have loved to hear both). IMO, it only adds to its brilliance. The harp and the guitars are phenomenal. The vocals as well - great track!
Thanks for the info! Being able to listn to both versions side by side would be cool!.
Re: Track Talk: Down In The Hole
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
()
Date: October 24, 2024 08:40
Quote
doitywoikQuote
DandelionPowderman
If memory serves, they just recorded it off the bat as a jam. Then they did one more take (would have loved to hear both). IMO, it only adds to its brilliance. The harp and the guitars are phenomenal. The vocals as well - great track!
Thanks for the info! Being able to listn to both versions side by side would be cool!.
Re: Track Talk: Down In The Hole
Posted by:
Mathijs
()
Date: October 24, 2024 13:36
Quote
GasLightStreetQuote
doitywoikQuote
DandelionPowderman
If memory serves, they just recorded it off the bat as a jam. Then they did one more take (would have loved to hear both). IMO, it only adds to its brilliance. The harp and the guitars are phenomenal. The vocals as well - great track!
Thanks for the info! Being able to listn to both versions side by side would be cool!.
This is the released version but with (some) different guitars. The first version is available as Stuck in the Cold.
Mathijs
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2024-10-24 13:36 by Mathijs.
Re: Track Talk: Down In The Hole
Posted by:
georgemcdonnell314
()
Date: October 24, 2024 22:40
I actually like this song.
Somewhere along the way I thought we would have had this at one of the club shows.
They really didn't give us many songs from this album early on.
Just 4 songs that I know of have been played. The rest of the album seems to be overlooked.
Somewhere along the way I thought we would have had this at one of the club shows.
They really didn't give us many songs from this album early on.
Just 4 songs that I know of have been played. The rest of the album seems to be overlooked.
Re: Track Talk: Down In The Hole
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
()
Date: October 25, 2024 11:12
Quote
georgemcdonnell314
I actually like this song.
Somewhere along the way I thought we would have had this at one of the club shows.
They really didn't give us many songs from this album early on.
Just 4 songs that I know of have been played. The rest of the album seems to be overlooked.
They have played Dance, Let Me Go, Emotional Rescue, She's So Cold and All About You - half of the album.
Re: Track Talk: Down In The Hole
Posted by:
Doxa
()
Date: October 25, 2024 14:11
No matter how cool it would be to hear them doing "Down In The Hole", I am afraid it is a type of a song Mick would not easily touch. It is just so damn slow, and for singer there is not much going on structure or melodywise. It is more like a feeling than a song. It would ask a helluva effort for Mick to make that work. You know, to find that special mood, and make it going somewhere to keep it interesting. Surely he could do that but probably not that into trying that in the front of 50 000 people.
- Doxa
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2024-10-25 14:13 by Doxa.
- Doxa
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2024-10-25 14:13 by Doxa.
Re: Track Talk: Down In The Hole
Posted by:
Doxa
()
Date: October 25, 2024 14:44
Quote
DandelionPowdermanQuote
georgemcdonnell314
I actually like this song.
Somewhere along the way I thought we would have had this at one of the club shows.
They really didn't give us many songs from this album early on.
Just 4 songs that I know of have been played. The rest of the album seems to be overlooked.
They have played Dance, Let Me Go, Emotional Rescue, She's So Cold and All About You - half of the album.
And had they toured EMOTIONAL RESCUE the list surely would be longer. Now only two songs survived for the tour they promoted TATTOO YOU, and for which EMOTIONAL RESCUE was old news. But probably that fact also says that they weren't that impressed for the material in that album since, for example, they still kept on playing something like four songs regularly from SOME GIRLS. Or probably that says more like that SOME GIRLS was a pretty exceptional album contentwise.
But that they afterwards, many many years later, did play occasionally some 'never played before' tunes from EMOTIONAL RESCUE says that they still consider it somehow potential album songwise (or at least that it exists
), contrast to 'lost albums' like UNDERCOVER and DIRTY WORK, or about any album they actually toured since STEEL WHEELS after their heyday.That said, pure statistical facts do not really say much. There are lots of things to consider to get the picture.
- Doxa
Edited 4 time(s). Last edit at 2024-10-25 15:02 by Doxa.
Re: Track Talk: Down In The Hole
Posted by:
emotionalbarbecue
()
Date: October 26, 2024 12:53
About the lyrics. Does somebody know what is the "american zone"?
Re: Track Talk: Down In The Hole
Posted by:
Doxa
()
Date: October 26, 2024 15:32
Quote
emotionalbarbecue
About the lyrics. Does somebody know what is the "american zone"?
Well, very effective lyrics, going damn well with the mood of music, but yeah, is there some specific target there, or is it just an over-all reflection of despair and sadness?
If there is some specific subject I think that particular term "American zone" makes me think the post-war, ruined Berlin. I think all of those lyrics make sense in that context, as describing the hopeless situation, both physically and mentally, of those Germans who survived.
- Doxa
Edited 5 time(s). Last edit at 2024-10-26 15:37 by Doxa.
Re: Track Talk: Down In The Hole
Posted by:
treaclefingers
()
Date: October 26, 2024 16:25
Quote
DoxaQuote
emotionalbarbecue
About the lyrics. Does somebody know what is the "american zone"?
Well, very effective lyrics, going damn well with the mood of music, but yeah, is there some specific target there, or is it just an over-all reflection of despair and sadness?
If there is some specific subject I think that particular term "American zone" makes me think the post-war, ruined Berlin. I think all of those lyrics make sense in that context, as describing the hopeless situation, both physically and mentally, of those Germans who survived.
- Doxa
"Begging for cigarettes, begging for nylons"...yeah I always thought postwar Berlin.
Re: Track Talk: Down In The Hole
Posted by:
Lynd8
()
Date: October 30, 2024 16:57
Ah, one of the good ones from ER - I'm still holding up hopes for a Deluxe of that album - what an amazing string, "Some Girls, "Emotional Rescue" and "Tattoo You".
A deluxe of "Emotional Rescue" would be the last chance to get all of those amazing leftovers out from the Pathé-Marconi sessions.
The "always 100% accurate Wikipedia" LOL states: "The band ended up recording about 50 new song {for Some Girls},several of which turned up in altered forms on Emotional Rescue (1980) and Tattoo You (1981)"
A deluxe of "Emotional Rescue" would be the last chance to get all of those amazing leftovers out from the Pathé-Marconi sessions.
The "always 100% accurate Wikipedia" LOL states: "The band ended up recording about 50 new song {for Some Girls},several of which turned up in altered forms on Emotional Rescue (1980) and Tattoo You (1981)"
Re: Track Talk: Down In The Hole
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
()
Date: October 30, 2024 17:08
Quote
Lynd8
Ah, one of the good ones from ER - I'm still holding up hopes for a Deluxe of that album - what an amazing string, "Some Girls, "Emotional Rescue" and "Tattoo You".
A deluxe of "Emotional Rescue" would be the last chance to get all of those amazing leftovers out from the Pathé-Marconi sessions.
The "always 100% accurate Wikipedia" LOL states: "The band ended up recording about 50 new song {for Some Girls},several of which turned up in altered forms on Emotional Rescue (1980) and Tattoo You (1981)"
Would love that indeed!
They continued at Pathe Marconi for Undercover and Dirty Work, though, and there are great outtakes from those sessions, too.
Re: Track Talk: Down In The Hole
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
()
Date: November 1, 2024 23:23
Quote
DoxaQuote
DandelionPowdermanQuote
georgemcdonnell314
I actually like this song.
Somewhere along the way I thought we would have had this at one of the club shows.
They really didn't give us many songs from this album early on.
Just 4 songs that I know of have been played. The rest of the album seems to be overlooked.
They have played Dance, Let Me Go, Emotional Rescue, She's So Cold and All About You - half of the album.
And had they toured EMOTIONAL RESCUE the list surely would be longer. Now only two songs survived for the tour they promoted TATTOO YOU, and for which EMOTIONAL RESCUE was old news. But probably that fact also says that they weren't that impressed for the material in that album since, for example, they still kept on playing something like four songs regularly from SOME GIRLS. Or probably that says more like that SOME GIRLS was a pretty exceptional album contentwise.
But that they afterwards, many many years later, did play occasionally some 'never played before' tunes from EMOTIONAL RESCUE says that they still consider it somehow potential album songwise (or at least that it exists
That said, pure statistical facts do not really say much. There are lots of things to consider to get the picture.
- Doxa
For the 1981-82 tours they handled EMOTIONAL RESCUE not nearly as many to how they handled IT'S ONLY ROCK'N'ROLL for the 1975-76 tours: a recent new release with two songs (for IORR they did four songs). Although Let Me Go and She's So Cold made sense it's too bad they didn't play Summer Romance as well since the 1981-82 tour was all about playing the songs in a snarly aggressive manner.
Regarding UNDERCOVER they've played UOTN quite a bit, She Was Hot on the BANG tour (fortunately they haven't since because it was terrible, like how they play She's So Cold - they just plow through it) and Wanna Hold You on the BRIDGES and BANG tours. Unfortunately they haven't played All The Way Down, which would be fantastic live. I know Ronnie has played Pretty Beat Up at some of his shows - it's too bad the Stones have never played it at a club show.
Obviously they'll never play anything from DIRTY WORK again, although they did play Harlem Shuffle in 2019. One Hit only lasted 18 shows in 1989. Afterall, Ronnie's solo in Toronto is so awesome that Mick exclaims "That's alright".
That's a joke.
The entire performance of One Hit was not even pedestrian. Keith sounds restricted in standard tuning. Keith's playing was tepid at best, which is odd, with One Hit live. He got his act together with TALK IS CHEAP and got the open G back in kick ass shape with Take It So Hard, Struggle, You Don't Move Me and How I Wish, which maybe he should've been using open G when they did One Hit live in 1989.
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