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Ronnie is beyond saving, dont bother

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Scooby
There has been a general anti-Ronnie vibe on this site for several months.

During Keith's lost decade or more did Stones fans turn against him? During Charlie's brief problems in the mid-80's, did we take the moral high ground? Did Mick's philandering prompt cries of righteous indignation?

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swiss
1. We don't know if Ronnie struck eKaterina, pulled her hair, wrenched her collar, ripped her tights, dragged her on the street, threatened to burn her with a cigarette. We don't know.

2. There are 2 named witnesses, and allegedly (according to these articles) one unnamed witness who gave a quote about them arguing for 20 minutes and seeing the above-mentioned couple taking her into their apartment after 30 minutes of rowing. There are also allegedly other witnesses who called the cops. The waiter or bartender in the curry house says Woody was there prior to Katerina drinking vodka and he ate nothing at dinner. Perhaps they are all telling the truth. Or perhaps they are all lying. Or possibly the newspapers are taking a sensationalistic non-journalistic approach to this story. We don't know.

3. We do know this is the 3rd or 4th reported incident of public yelling screaming histrionics and drunken melodrama between the two of them.

4. We do know Ronnie over the past 10-15 years has been in and out of rehab. He gets sober, he gets well, he flucks up, he starts over again, and barrels toward self-destruction. (There but for the grace of god go I.) He himself has spoken of his drug, alcohol, shopping, and gambling addictions, as well as other behavioral focked-up-ed-nesses.

5. Many of us would agree that the above--(1) the substance/behavioral shit and (2) the tempestuous reckless unstable relationship--don't bode well for any person, over time, as repeating patterns, in terms of their physical or mental health, nor in terms of their reputation. Many rock stars act this way in their 20s. Some grow out of it. Some disappear down the failure rabbit hole. Some get their shit together. Some die or kill themselves.

6. Times have changed. The Rolling Stones broke all the rules before there were rules to break. The "rules" were made after the Stones broke them all. The music industry has clamped down on their investments behaving recklessly and expensively---like being thrown in jail or beating women or marrying children or turning blue in people's bathrooms or otherwise ODing or crashing cars and running away from the police or roadies gang banging passed out underage groupies.

7. It's not just the music industry. A lot of US who, at 20, thought it was cool that Keith was a junkie, probably romanticized the rock n roll lifestyle, have been around long enough to witness directly or simply reflect on what that kind of life really is like (See Also: Cauksocker Blues). Many of us find it take your pick: sad, startling, repellent, horrible, unfortunate, whatever that a talented 62-year-old man could ALSO be so lame, self-destructive, clueless, or unhinged as to endanger themselves and the rest of the Stones by behaving as he appears to be now.

So I'm not saying "Can't we all just get along." But I am saying: whatever the unknowns (and there are many of them), the "knowns" (and there are many of them) indicate a man who does appear to be in jeopardy. Personally, as well as potentially legally, and professionally.

I do hope he gets his shit together. Because it is sad and also no fun to keep hearing, reading, and seeing Ron Wood lose his shit in public.

ps - for those who say Ronnie's too nice to do x, y, or x -- he's gone on record saying alcohol makes him like Jekkyll and Hyde. And that he just cannot stop drinking. If that's so, that's not at all surprising, cuz it's identical to how alcohol affect most alcoholics.

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Scooby
There has been a general anti-Ronnie vibe on this site for several months.

During Keith's lost decade or more did Stones fans turn against him? During Charlie's brief problems in the mid-80's, did we take the moral high ground? Did Mick's philandering prompt cries of righteous indignation?

Mick's 'philandering' doesnt fall into the same category because it doesnt affect anyone but his own family - but since you ask, I do recall a sizeable degree of outrage at the time he tried to wriggle out of paying alimony to the mother of four of his children by trying to state that they were never legally married.

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Green Lady


Seems as if it´s a " small man big mouth " attitude you´re refelecting here.

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Scooby
There has been a general anti-Ronnie vibe on this site for several months.

During Keith's lost decade or more did Stones fans turn against him? During Charlie's brief problems in the mid-80's, did we take the moral high ground? Did Mick's philandering prompt cries of righteous indignation?

Mick's 'philandering' doesnt fall into the same category because it doesnt affect anyone but his own family - but since you ask, I do recall a sizeable degree of outrage at the time he tried to wriggle out of paying alimony to the mother of four of his children by trying to state that they were never legally married.

For the record, Mick did not argue that the lack of legal marriage meant he should not pay maintenance to Ms Hall. The facts are that she petitioned for divorce, he (or his lawyers) argued (correctly) that there was no marriage and that nullity proceedings were therefore the correct procedure. The principles for financial compensation are exactly the same given the length of the relationship and the birth of children. He was correct - there was no legal marriage (as you might think she as well as he must have known!). It didn't affect the financial proceedings.

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Chris Fountain
Brue

Is that a recent pic? Also, Why do say she is dumped? Please provide sources.

Many Thanks.

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Brue
Well, one thing we do know

DUMPED

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Brue
Well, one thing we do know

DUMPED

Wouldnt bet on it. The fact she didnt press charges speaks volumes - not a reflection on the lack of seriousness about the incident, but more a reflection on the fact that she knows an end to the relationship means no more meal ticket.

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The only thing that should interest us is what could be the possible consequenses of the whole story & how it can affect a possible new tour .

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Midnight Toker quoted:

she is 20 and he is 62. a 42 year age difference. he is famous and is a rolling stone with a drinking problem going thru a mid life crisis. if he were ron wood, the postal carrier, she wouldn't be interested in him.

Nice post. I agree with one exception - the age of 62 is not midlife. At that age one can buy senior discount movie tickets and receive Coffee for ten cents at McDonalds.

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swiss
1. We don't know if Ronnie struck eKaterina, pulled her hair, wrenched her collar, ripped her tights, dragged her on the street, threatened to burn her with a cigarette. We don't know.

2. There are 2 named witnesses, and allegedly (according to these articles) one unnamed witness who gave a quote about them arguing for 20 minutes and seeing the above-mentioned couple taking her into their apartment after 30 minutes of rowing. There are also allegedly other witnesses who called the cops. The waiter or bartender in the curry house says Woody was there prior to Katerina drinking vodka and he ate nothing at dinner. Perhaps they are all telling the truth. Or perhaps they are all lying. Or possibly the newspapers are taking a sensationalistic non-journalistic approach to this story. We don't know.

3. We do know this is the 3rd or 4th reported incident of public yelling screaming histrionics and drunken melodrama between the two of them.

4. We do know Ronnie over the past 10-15 years has been in and out of rehab. He gets sober, he gets well, he flucks up, he starts over again, and barrels toward self-destruction. (There but for the grace of god go I.) He himself has spoken of his drug, alcohol, shopping, and gambling addictions, as well as other behavioral focked-up-ed-nesses.

5. Many of us would agree that the above--(1) the substance/behavioral shit and (2) the tempestuous reckless unstable relationship--don't bode well for any person, over time, as repeating patterns, in terms of their physical or mental health, nor in terms of their reputation. Many rock stars act this way in their 20s. Some grow out of it. Some disappear down the failure rabbit hole. Some get their shit together. Some die or kill themselves.

6. Times have changed. The Rolling Stones broke all the rules before there were rules to break. The "rules" were made after the Stones broke them all. The music industry has clamped down on their investments behaving recklessly and expensively---like being thrown in jail or beating women or marrying children or turning blue in people's bathrooms or otherwise ODing or crashing cars and running away from the police or roadies gang banging passed out underage groupies.

7. It's not just the music industry. A lot of US who, at 20, thought it was cool that Keith was a junkie, probably romanticized the rock n roll lifestyle, have been around long enough to witness directly or simply reflect on what that kind of life really is like (See Also: Cauksocker Blues). Many of us find it take your pick: sad, startling, repellent, horrible, unfortunate, whatever that a talented 62-year-old man could ALSO be so lame, self-destructive, clueless, or unhinged as to endanger themselves and the rest of the Stones by behaving as he appears to be now.

So I'm not saying "Can't we all just get along." But I am saying: whatever the unknowns (and there are many of them), the "knowns" (and there are many of them) indicate a man who does appear to be in jeopardy. Personally, as well as potentially legally, and professionally.

I do hope he gets his shit together. Because it is sad and also no fun to keep hearing, reading, and seeing Ron Wood lose his shit in public.

ps - for those who say Ronnie's too nice to do x, y, or x -- he's gone on record saying alcohol makes him like Jekkyll and Hyde. And that he just cannot stop drinking. If that's so, that's not at all surprising, cuz it's identical to how alcohol affect most alcoholics.

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Thank you studiorambo,that´s answering my first post concerning this term.
Obviously it got different meanings in different countries ( although I´m not sure about the percentage you´re giving,anyway....it helps).

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Midnight Toker
shortfatfanny-

i will send you a dictionary for XMAS so you can look up the word "bimbo". your equating the use of the word "bimbo" and "racist" is ridiculous.

the definiton of "bimbo" is " a woman regarded as sexy but lacking intelligence and intersted in her own sex appeal".

how you could imply or infer racism demonstrates your lack of education. are you related to sarah palin by any chance?

she is 20 and he is 62. a 42 year age difference. he is famous and is a rolling stone with a drinking problem going thru a mid life crisis. if he were ron wood, the postal carrier, she wouldn't be interested in him.

speculate all you want as to what happened, because no one on this message board was there and knows the facts. period.

i hope woody kicks the little gold digger to the curb and moves on.