Why can't they do the postponed/cancelled shows in Europe first?
It was originally planned before this tour too, wasn't it.

I don't get it.

Returned my Gothenburg tickets today, and when I got home from Sweden,
I see this message from rs.com in my email inbox.

I just don't get it.

Obviously, there's plenty threads about this

Because European stadiums aren't available in the fall and even if they were the Stones already had agreements to do fall dates in the U.S. In order to make up the cancelled European shows the band would have to do so in 2007, and they decided not to tour in 2007 because they are old and will have been on the road for a year and a half by the end of 2006. It's as simple as that.

I'm very sympathetic to those who lost their shows, but I don't understand why this concept is so hard to grasp. I suppose it's a case of emotion overriding logic.

ohnonotyouagain Wrote:
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> Because European stadiums aren't available in the
> fall and even if they were the Stones already had
> agreements to do fall dates in the U.S. In order
> to make up the cancelled European shows the band
> would have to do so in 2007, and they decided not
> to tour in 2007 because they are old and will have
> been on the road for a year and a half by the end
> of 2006. It's as simple as that.
>
> I'm very sympathetic to those who lost their
> shows, but I don't understand why this concept is
> so hard to grasp. I suppose it's a case of emotion
> overriding logic.


That's right IMO

ohno wrote: I suppose it's a case of emotion overriding logic.

Some are in need of "Emotional Rescue".

Elmo Lewis Wrote:
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> ohno wrote: I suppose it's a case of emotion
> overriding logic.
>
> Some are in need of "Emotional Rescue".

And you can't really blame them considering the poor communication and slow refunds that went along with the cancelled dates. I can buy the reasons for cancelling the shows and not rescheduling them, but there's no excuse for the communications/refund problems.

And because the shows in the USA sell obviously much better than in Europe, where not even all shows are sold out. So why should they do more shows in Europe? That's business!
(Ok, even some sold out shows have been cancelled, that's of course sad.)

Got an e-mail from the belgian ticket master. Refunds could take a few weeks

ohnonotyouagain Wrote:
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> Elmo Lewis Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > ohno wrote: I suppose it's a case of emotion
> > overriding logic.
> >
> > Some are in need of "Emotional Rescue".
>
> And you can't really blame them considering the
> poor communication and slow refunds that went
> along with the cancelled dates. I can buy the
> reasons for cancelling the shows and not
> rescheduling them, but there's no excuse for the
> communications/refund problems.


I think the above pretty well sums up the situation.........

Payback for negative karma?

The answer is likely the same as why the No Security tour happened in 1999: Europe is not as profitable for the band to play arenas and stadiums as it is in the US. Consequently, they will always schedule a substantial number of US dates to offset the cost of playing for their European fans. I don't think they have a bias, if they didn't do this they would have to scale back or skip Europe entirely. I understand why so many fans are disappointed, but there are far more than four multi-millionaires to pay when this band tours. Profitability has to be the driver.

Because they will do the rest of Europe summer 2007. More time for great shows in big cities. The fall tour has been planned for a long time. If you get sick in the fall and you can't pick the apples on the apple trees then it's not like you can pick them in November. Plans, people, venues, contracts, summerime Europe, weather. Many reasons. Don't cry like spoiled kids. Why don't you just look forward more more shows to come?

Bjornulf

bv Wrote:
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> Because they will do the rest of Europe summer
> 2007. More time for great shows in big cities. The
> fall tour has been planned for a long time. If you
> get sick in the fall and you can't pick the apples
> on the apple trees then it's not like you can pick
> them in November. Plans, people, venues,
> contracts, summerime Europe, weather. Many
> reasons. Don't cry like spoiled kids. Why don't
> you just look forward more more shows to come?

That's the first I've heard about European shows in 2007. That's good news for our European friends!

Well said, BV. This is the Rolling Stones that we are talking about!!

They are one big business machine and can't let a fall from a tree stop what had been planned for, after the European shows.

My heart goes out to all the Europeans who can't get to see them this year.
But life goes on ..........

They were asked about the shows in Europe next summer at the press conference in Milan. The resonse was this:

Mick: Not decided
Keith: Hopeful

See the press conference report: [iorr.org]

Bjornulf

OK, then let's start saving money for euro 07-tour. Great news.

I'll pray that you are right,BV. In any case,The Stones face a huge,huge challenge to fill up that many Stadiums in The US and Canada. They haven't done that for quite a long time, I think. Plus the delay is relatively short for the selling and they have no new material to promote. Maybe they will include some new stuff never performed before during some shows here in Europe, their baseland after all.

bv Wrote:
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> Because they will do the rest of Europe summer
> 2007. More time for great shows in big cities.

well why didnt ya sayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy so

seriously, dont you think it would have offset a LOT of the bad feeling of the last couple of months of theyd announced their intention to play Europe next year instead of issuing just a terse, belated and unapologetic press release leaving hundreds of thousands of people seemingly with nothing to look forward to? A ten year old could have dealt with this fiasco better


>They were asked about the shows in Europe next summer at the press conference in Milan. The resonse was this:
Mick: Not decided
Keith: Hopeful

"No plans" it says on the link provided.

Either way, its somewhat less definite than your statement that they WILL play in 2007, in all fairness. Could have been a case of Mick not having the balls to say 'no' in public and having to then field awkward questions as to the reason why



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No way there going to tour in 2007. The shows are cancelled, not postponed. They can't sell out anymore!

Sorry I don't remember Mick's exact words. There might be a video or a recording of it. He used the regular "no comments" reply with different "nicer" words which he is so good at. That was what his eyes and body language said when I watched him speak. According to my notes Mick said "No placs" actually.

What Keith said I remember exactly like it was a minute ago. I looked him into his eyes when he said: "We are hopeful". Which means he is speaking for the band and not just for himself.

I have to agree that the Stones P.R. machine is not good at handling the European fans. They don't want to announce more than one tour leg at the time so they are trapped into their own routine secrecy. In this case they would with thousands of fans and LOTS of goodwill by simply saying: "We are working on making more shows for Europe 2007". It would not cost them a lot.

Bjornulf

Very nice and hopeful posts!



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i don`t believe them.I`m a European not a US-citizen.I`m not rich.
I`ve lost a lot of moneythis year!And this evening this news!

thanks for the reply, Bjornulf - heres hoping your optimism is justified for the sake of everyone who missed out this year

If they tour in 2007 that would make the longest tour they've ever done, right? They toured in '97-'99, but technically '99 was a separate tour.

The 1999 tour in Europe was called Bridges To Babylon, so whether or not you consider No Security a separate tour, the Bridges To Babylon tour resumed after No Security ended, thus Brides ran from September 1997 to June 1999.

I don't cry like a spoiled child, I just didn't see the logic in this.
But now I do. I hope for a Swedish or Norwegian show in 2007!

But I didn't feel good about returning my tickets today.
At least I got most of my money back. And when I won two tickets for Bergen, I guess I have nothing to complain about.

Yeah, I think the band will make it up to you in 2007, whether you deserve it or not.

In the meantime, you'll have plenty of time to whine about the setlists and ticket prices, so enjoy!

Dont worry no more!!!The champs will return!!!Whos gonna drive our wild horses!!!Anyway!!!

Maybe they're trying to give Dylan's Never Ending Tour a run for its money. He's years ahead of them, but by 2032 Mick and his band of robot replacements may well break Dylan's record.

I am having enough trouble keeping up with 2006 thank you.

Does everyone else here plan their life like years ahead or something.