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No, that was me.
I agree. Sometimes Bill played the bassline but Keith wiped it and re-recorded it himself.
"Too many notes..."
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Bill on Darryl Jones
Posted by:
71Tele
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Date: November 13, 2009 06:38
Didn't Bill criticize Jones' bass playing several years ago saying he "plays too many notes"? I have been listening to the wonderfully re-mastered Ya-Ya's. Old Bill played quite a few notes himself sometimes.
Re: Bill on Darryl Jones
Posted by:
Come On
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Date: November 13, 2009 08:47
Playing stiff R'nb is just a paycheck for a jazzmusician..
Re: Bill on Darryl Jones
Posted by:
LieB
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Date: November 13, 2009 12:16
Yeah, Bill plays a lot more and a lot better than a lot of people think. It's mostly because he's never had a sound that really cuts through.
Re: Bill on Darryl Jones
Posted by:
Bärs
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Date: November 13, 2009 13:06
Strange. I'd say Bill was one of the most active bass players while Darryl is very conservative and almost lazy. Just listen to When the Whip Comes Down from 1981 and 2003. Bill plays creative bass lines all the time, but Darryl sticks to a simple root note pattern
Re: Bill on Darryl Jones
Posted by:
with sssoul
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Date: November 13, 2009 13:13
... well, it hasn't actually been established that Bill really said what 71Tele thinks he may have said
Re: Bill on Darryl Jones
Posted by:
hot stuff
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Date: November 13, 2009 16:56
It doesn't sound like Bill...I'm not sure he would have said this? I love to hear the enitre quote..
Re: Bill on Darryl Jones
Posted by:
marvpeck
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Date: November 13, 2009 17:49
I think George said Paul played too many notes ...
Marv Peck
Y'all remember that rubber legged boy
Marv Peck
Y'all remember that rubber legged boy
Re: Bill on Darryl Jones
Posted by:
71Tele
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Date: November 13, 2009 17:59
For those who doubt he said it, I will try to find the entire quote and source.
Re: Bill on Darryl Jones
Posted by:
TooTough
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Date: November 13, 2009 18:01
Quote
71Tele
Didn't Bill criticize Jones' bass playing several years ago saying he "plays too many notes"?
No, that was me.
Re: Bill on Darryl Jones
Posted by:
ghostryder13
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Date: November 13, 2009 18:04
i like wyman but always felt that keith, woody, and taylor were the stones best bass players
Re: Bill on Darryl Jones
Posted by:
Anonymous User
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Date: November 13, 2009 18:43
Quote
Bärs
Darryl is very conservative and almost lazy.
Which planet do you come from?
Re: Bill on Darryl Jones
Posted by:
duke richardson
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Date: November 13, 2009 18:44
it always is, to me, interesting how, when the subject of bass regarding the Stones comes up, sure enough someone will say Keith is the best Stones bass player
and how readily people dismiss Darryl Jones as a Stones bassist.
He and Bill are the two Stones bassists. they're both excellent, and played the necessary parts. Their styles are different, and still are supportive.
and how readily people dismiss Darryl Jones as a Stones bassist.
He and Bill are the two Stones bassists. they're both excellent, and played the necessary parts. Their styles are different, and still are supportive.
Re: Bill on Darryl Jones
Posted by:
mtaylor
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Date: November 13, 2009 19:02
Paul played like a bass drum - not like a bass guitar. he had a terrible sound.Quote
marvpeck
I think George said Paul played too many notes ...
Re: Bill on Darryl Jones
Posted by:
WeLoveYou
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Date: November 13, 2009 19:04
Bill Wyman is one of the best pop/rock bass players there ever. It's actually quite hard to play like he does...which essentially a very expressive quirky style. He plays only by feel, there's nothing planned or calculated about it at all. It's not that you can't copy his technique, it's that you just don't know what he's about to play next.
I don't agree that Keith/Ron/MickT are better bass-players than Bill. Ron and MickT are interesting bass players...expecially MickT (eg Coming Down Again and Shirley). Keith's bass playing is quite good at times, however there is sometimes an awkwardness to his playing (examples are Before They Make Me Run and Casino Boogie - compare these with the fluidity of Miss You). I'd say Keith is the worst bass-player the Stone ever had.
Darryl is sometimes a busy bass player, but it can soull-less and dull at times. He is undoubtably an talented musician...it's just that what he does doesn't always gell with the Stones' music.
I don't agree that Keith/Ron/MickT are better bass-players than Bill. Ron and MickT are interesting bass players...expecially MickT (eg Coming Down Again and Shirley). Keith's bass playing is quite good at times, however there is sometimes an awkwardness to his playing (examples are Before They Make Me Run and Casino Boogie - compare these with the fluidity of Miss You). I'd say Keith is the worst bass-player the Stone ever had.
Darryl is sometimes a busy bass player, but it can soull-less and dull at times. He is undoubtably an talented musician...it's just that what he does doesn't always gell with the Stones' music.
Re: Bill on Darryl Jones
Posted by:
guitarbastard
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Date: November 13, 2009 19:07
bill was (and is) a hell of bassplayer. very underrated!!!
and i really like those kind of bass-sounds that dont cut through too much.
i love it when you feel and hear the bass but it is still somehow undefined...
***** i'm a cold italian pizza *****
and i really like those kind of bass-sounds that dont cut through too much.
i love it when you feel and hear the bass but it is still somehow undefined...
***** i'm a cold italian pizza *****
Re: Bill on Darryl Jones
Posted by:
Rocky Dijon
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Date: November 13, 2009 19:26
Of course, all we can really judge for Darryl's playing with the band are concert performances and VOODOO LOUNGE. Regrettably, Darryl has largely been treated as part of the touring band and not been allowed to fully participate in BRIDGES TO BABYLON or A BIGGER BANG. Not having a bass player participate in the arrangement of tracks from the beginning works to the overall detriment of both albums.
Re: Bill on Darryl Jones
Posted by:
Rochdale3
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Date: November 13, 2009 19:37
It seems to me that the "famous bass lines" from Stones songs (Live with Me etc) didn't just "happen" to be played by Keith. Those were clearly songs where he had a clear idea of what the bass line would sound like or were songs where he wanted a bass line featured more prominently, so he just did it himself!
That certainly doesn't make him a better bass player than Bill though. Keith was obviously more in control of the recordings/song creation than Bill was. The songs were mostly finished by the time Bill showed up. He probably never had a chance to create a great bass line himself and have it featured in a recording (except his overall work on In Another Land which he did create).
That certainly doesn't make him a better bass player than Bill though. Keith was obviously more in control of the recordings/song creation than Bill was. The songs were mostly finished by the time Bill showed up. He probably never had a chance to create a great bass line himself and have it featured in a recording (except his overall work on In Another Land which he did create).
Re: Bill on Darryl Jones
Posted by:
WeLoveYou
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Date: November 13, 2009 19:43
Quote
Rochdale3
It seems to me that the "famous bass lines" from Stones songs (Live with Me etc) didn't just "happen" to be played by Keith. Those were clearly songs where he had a clear idea of what the bass line would sound like or were songs where he wanted a bass line featured more prominently, so he just did it himself!
That certainly doesn't make him a better bass player than Bill though. Keith was obviously more in control of the recordings/song creation than Bill was. The songs were mostly finished by the time Bill showed up. He probably never had a chance to create a great bass line himself and have it featured in a recording (except his overall work on In Another Land which he did create).
I agree. Sometimes Bill played the bassline but Keith wiped it and re-recorded it himself.
Re: Bill on Darryl Jones
Posted by:
Koen
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Date: November 13, 2009 20:07
IMHO a great bassplayer is only noticed when he stops playing.
Re: Bill on Darryl Jones
Posted by:
71Tele
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Date: November 14, 2009 00:19
I agree that Bill was a very distinctive and quirky bass player - starting with the sound of that homemade bass he used on most of the records. Darryl is more technically gifted perhaps, but I dearly miss Bill's quirkiness. In my mond that's the division between the "real" Stones and the "Vegas" Stones.
Re: Bill on Darryl Jones
Posted by:
schillid
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Date: November 14, 2009 01:08
Quote
Didn't Bill criticize Jones' bass playing several years ago saying he "plays too many notes"? I
"Too many notes..."
Re: Bill on Darryl Jones
Posted by:
bassplayer617
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Date: November 14, 2009 02:35
"Well (ahem)...there it is."
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2009-11-14 02:36 by bassplayer617.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2009-11-14 02:36 by bassplayer617.
Re: Bill on Darryl Jones
Posted by:
stonesrule
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Date: November 14, 2009 06:12
Bill was the veritable engine of the Stones sound.
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