Whats Jagger's best emotional vocal I Got The Blues comes to mind.Clearly Mr
Bob Dylan and how he delivered songs with emotions and how he painted his
characters and imagery is the master.

Jagger's first Dylansque lyric - Please Allow Me To Introduce Myself

Must be a boring day at work, isn't it!

C

You Don,t Move Me

Jagger's first Dylansque lyric

But the butler, the baker, the laughing cavalier
Will tell me now who's been sleeping here

ROCKMAN

I think both Let it loose and Moonlight Mile are sung with a passion that lays this topic down to rest automatically...

Hmm, first Dylanisque lyrics... I go further:

The telephone is ringing
I say, "Hi, it's me. Who is it there on the line?"
A voice says, "Hi, hello, how are you
Well, I guess I'm doin' fine"
He says, "It's three a.m., there's too much noise
Don't you people ever wanna go to bed?
Just 'cause you feel so good, do you have
To drive me out of my head?"

And by the way.. in that particular song Mick seems to have much emotions involved. That young frustrated angry Jagger. Also other cuts from that period -like "That's How Strong My Love Is", "Cry To Me" - are strongly emotional.

- Doxa

DYLAN IS AN AMATEUR COMPARED TO MICK!

yeah jagger sang with emotion on songs but not quite like dylan and many examples
of him just going through the motions at best jagger was a average singer singing
around the notes.he was the ultimate frontman.

dylan's vocals were genius and the whole point was to sing those lyrics with
emotions.

OpenG, you're just adding a new chapter to your apples and pears discourse. The two are as much incomparable as MT and RW.

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"Music is the frozen tapioca in the ice chest of history."

"Shit!... No shit, awright!"

Let's summarize this amazing topic:

Dylan is a genius and Jagger is a loser. Hm, well.

"The two are as much incomparable as MT and RW"....hey, what, don't get ya?

Hey, but Dylan was a fine poet AND welsh!

Love In Vain
I´m Going Down
(I) Don´t Know Why
Gimme Shelter

Ron Wood had the same job as Mick Taylor they were both lead guitar players so
in that respect they had similiar paths with the stones and comparisions will
always be made.

Weeeeeyyyyyhhhheeeeeeeyyyyyyy it got a bloomin mention!!!!! Top bananas! My day just aint the same if I aint read about RW and M 'the god' T.
Thank you.
Do you reckon if we started a thread comparing cheese it could be brought back to the thrilling RW/MT debate.
Cause cheddar and double gloucester are very similiar but 'DG's never as good as a good 'c'......

vibrato anyone????

Sorry, my fault
;-)

OpenG, the job they both shared is the only thing they had in common, but comparisons of QUALITY can only be made when the musical persona's are at least in some part overlapping or when the respective artistic goals are the same. IMO it's hard to come up with two more opposite musicalities then MT's and RW's. One can almost say the same about MJ and Dylna.

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"Music is the frozen tapioca in the ice chest of history."

"Shit!... No shit, awright!"

Jagger singing/phrasing in a Dylan way:

(1) "Who's Been Sleeping Here?"
(2) "Some Girls"
(3) "Indian Girl"

And failing bad...

What else straight Dylan connection? "She Smiled Sweetly" is musically quite close reading of "Just Like A Woman". In fact, there are lots off Dylanisque influences in Between The Buttons album. The lyrics of "Connection" are like school boy's first attempt to write something dylanisque sounding with many direction/connection/infection kind of words... sounds Keef.

But by Beggars Banguet Jagger mastered the dylanisque way of writing (or discovered the way to use it in a self-expressive way). "Sympathy For The Devil" with all those clever one-liners, catchy phrases, introductions, a continuous flow of historical and contemporary references, is a masterpiece that I think really arosed the eyebrows of the master Dylan himself. Perhaps the greatest lyrics of any rock song ever.

- Doxa

Very perceptive, Doxa. I read an article about how influential Dylan's Basement tapes was. (I have it somewhere).

The tapes were deliberately put about by the record company, in early '68 I think. Then loads of bands were covering different numbers, eg Mighty Quinn, Wheels of Fire etc.

Apparently Jagger had a copy in South America with him, (wherever he was hanging out with Ms Faithfull). Beggar's Banquet is hugely Dylan-influenced, (lyrically at least).

OpenG,

I find myself at variance with you for once. Dylan had clever, insightful lyrics, rarely personally emotionally involved.........until his conversion to Christianity. Lay Lady Lay is maybe the closest thing to direct emotional involvement. Others? Just Like A Woman is nice but he's hardly wearing his heart on his sleeve. cf Wild Horses.

Am now having to think of suitable cheese analogies for Taylor and Wood. And Richards, why not?!



Windmills of the World Unite.

Ahh,lets give it ago...
Wheat is to bread as milk is to cheese
Woood is to ............. as Taylor is to...................

Blanks to be filled in


Anyway I just listened to Exile and its stacked with emotion.....

Doxa Wrote:
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> But by Beggars Banguet Jagger mastered the
> dylanisque way of writing (or discovered the way
> to use it in a self-expressive way). > - Doxa

Jigsaw Puzzle is one of Jagger's most Dylan-esque tunes to me.

Karl




'Don’t forget, if you’re on your bike, wear white'

Ah, but has Dylan done a jagger-esque tune??

Dylan cannot sing. He writes excellent lyrics but his voice is a pain in the ass.

Oh gawd this is gonna run and run and run.....

ablett Wrote:
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> Ah, but has Dylan done a jagger-esque tune??


I know this does not really address the question, but I have a vague recollection of a Dylan cover collection on which he does Brown Sugar. Can anyone confirm this?

I believe Bob did BS live a couple of times a year or so ago on the "Never-Ending Tour".

Karl

OpenG Wrote:
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> Whats Jagger's best emotional vocal I Got The
> Blues comes to mind.Clearly Mr
> Bob Dylan and how he delivered songs with emotions
> and how he painted his
> characters and imagery is the master.
>
> Jagger's first Dylansque lyric - Please Allow Me
> To Introduce Myself


I couldn't disagree with you more....I don't think Dylan has delivered his songs with emotions any better than Jagger.....

Regards,

Ian.

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Dylan sings with emotion ??? IMO Dylan might still be a great songwriter, better than Mick, but his singing ???? Come on, when I hear Dylan sing these days it's like an offence to the audience, it's mumbling, grumbling or whatever. To call this "emotional singing" really makes me laugh. Listen to "That's how strong my love is" from the last tour then you'll know what I'd call emotional singing.

"I believe Bob did BS live a couple of times a year or so ago on the "Never-Ending Tour"."

Yes he did. I think it was like returning the compliment for the Stones playing his signature song (or a message of saying "you screw up mine, I screw up yours...) Unfortunately I have never heard his version. Well, it isn't "Satisfaction" but still Dylan singing and interpreting the poetic nuances of the lyrical content of "Brown Sugar" sounds a... well.. odd I would say.. those lyrics seems to fit as well to his mouth as the ones of "Like A Rolling Stone" to Jagger's. Very convenient, heh.

- Doxa

Or why not "That's how strong my love is" in its original cut.

And all you Dylanites; there are better messageboards for you; this here is a Stones board. Try: www.nasalmoaning.com

Jagger's most "real emotion" song was Angie Brussels #1 show 1973 - THE BEST MOMENT IN HIS BALLAD CAREER!!!

Esky

"Ah, but has Dylan done a jagger-esque tune??"

Well, I am not sure if this will count but he did a song called "I Wanna Be Your Lover" (or something similar), and has the chorus going something like

I wanna be your lover, baby
I wanna be your man
I wanna be your lover, baby
I don't wanna be hurt
I wanna be yours.

I think this song is his early attempts with an electric band (and released later in his bigraphy collection in 80's). The r&b based musical and lyrical reference seems to be directed to the Stones/Beatles. I think the original recording is from 1964.

- Doxa