I am not sure if there has been a thread devoted to this already; if so I apologize. But I have had this one for a week maybe, but only now got around to listening. IMO this is very hot. It makes me realize that Ya-Ya's was smoothed out a good bit; homogenized for an official release. The guitars are louder, and all round just hotter and more violent. E.g. certain entrances by Taylor are announced by feedback; so not only is it louder but cockier. The crowd in between songs is louder.
I also noticed that on JJF e.g it seems like they actually took Taylor's guitar OUT for the final release. He originally noodles around on top .
I am right now digging Midnight Rambler, and the guitars are MUCH harder. The snare and Bass are very punchy. As great as Ya-Ya's is, I wonder if this is even better.

Update - I see that GJ did some editing to SFTD too. He takes out TWO verses: the short second verse, and the "I watched with glee" verse.
But MAN is that rhythm machine cooking under the solo-ing guitars! This is always counted among one of Taylor's great solos on his SG, but I think I like Keith's Les Paul solo early on even better. I think GJ even shortened Taylor's section a bit.



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of course there's a thread about it... Erik_Snow originally uploaded it..... I can't find it though...

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of course there's a thread about it... Erik_Snow originally uploaded it..... I can't find it though...

love to hear this. Anyone know where it is? Urban Steel's page??

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Update - I see that GJ did some editing to SFTD too. He takes out TWO verses: the short second verse, and the "I watched with glee" verse.
But MAN is that rhythm machine cooking under the solo-ing guitars! This is always counted among one of Taylor's great solos on his SG, but I think I like Keith's Les Paul solo early on even better. I think GJ even shortened Taylor's section a bit.

I think Keith plays a Dan Armstrong on SFTD.

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Update - I see that GJ did some editing to SFTD too. He takes out TWO verses: the short second verse, and the "I watched with glee" verse.
But MAN is that rhythm machine cooking under the solo-ing guitars! This is always counted among one of Taylor's great solos on his SG, but I think I like Keith's Les Paul solo early on even better. I think GJ even shortened Taylor's section a bit.

I think Keith plays a Dan Armstrong on SFTD.

Oh yeah, of course; what was I thinking? Matter of fact I am always impressed at how sharp the Armstrong sounds in the GS film, right when Jagger is trying to get Keith to shut up.

Is this out there on mp3?
Please don't flame me for asking....

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Thanks, Scottkeef!

It's too bad that all these recordings aren't put on a torrent, it's so much easier to share it that way then to download the songs one by one, with annoying waiting times.

They must have been up on a torrent site, Eric Snow usually puts his stuff on torrents; the link I provided above leads to Urban Steel's FLAC upload in one file, you only have to wait ONE MINUTE!!!

I agree,Rank! I get em in FLAC too but it is nice that Jos puts em up in both formats for those that want em.

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They must have been up on a torrent site, Eric Snow usually puts his stuff on torrents; the link I provided above leads to Urban Steel's FLAC upload in one file, you only have to wait ONE MINUTE!!!

Ah, I didn't see that one - thanks!

It's on Hungercity and well-seeded

Are there any opinions on this release?

I love having this acetate cause its in such better condition than the "@#$%& Your YA YAs Out" source. I really havent compared them(the acetates) side by side to see if theres any difference in the mix BUT I think the acetate mix kicks the legits ass IMO. The only strange part to me is how CAROL starts out-it seems a bit muddy at first. I love the lead guitar work on JJF thats missing from the released version and really dig how high in the mix Keiths harmony vocals are on Little Queenie!

Palace is right on. I'm listening to this right now. It's amazing how in your face the guitars are.

I just listened to "Live With Me" from here and the "released." The chords (I assume Taylor's) that are going on in the left channel starting at :08 are MUCH louder than the released. The song has an even more intense bite. Lordy, the whole album sounds even more rock and roll than it always has. How do you make the greatest live album better? Well, here 'tis.

I thought it was just Ronnie who got mixed lower on live albums, but this suggests it was happening back then too.

I love the Taylor noodling on JJF. I wonder if we'll be lucky to get any of this back on the remaster....

Wow. I'm sure most of you digested this months or years before, but if you have any doubts, download this sucker.

T@3

Is this the same thing as "Alternative Ya Yas" that starts with a Robert Johnson jam in the dressing room with Tina Turner and ends with two versions of SFM?

its not Taylor noodling - it is a Keith overdub.

love the mix...love keith's bvs on LQ, but do not love the JJF guitar solo. I think they made the right choice for Ya Yas on that...

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its not Taylor noodling - it is a Keith overdub.

Is this a fact or a qualified guess? Any proof around?

i agree - it's definately Keith.

probably Mick & Keith were the only ones in the studio doing the overdubs...

I dont really know if its Keith or MT on JJF but I do know on quite a few live tapes there was lead guitar being played on JJF. Weird- some had more than others. Just go back and listen to various tapes of shows and you will hear it!

So, if that's an overdub, and Keith is playing the main riff, what was Taylor playing? Was he playing the same riff?

In 69 he plays sort of counter rhythm on chords. In a way - the 69 combo of Taylor and Keith was better than later on because Taylor did a LOT more chording, and Keith still had as many solos as Taylor. great team.
But there is one or two East Coast 69 shows where it is Taylor who solos a little in the JJF intsrumental break. Maybe Boston.

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its not Taylor noodling - it is a Keith overdub.

Is this a fact or a qualified guess? Any proof around?

One recognizes the lion by its paw. THe solo if unquestionably Keith...

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its not Taylor noodling - it is a Keith overdub.

Is this a fact or a qualified guess? Any proof around?

It´s a 100% Keith trademark in-your-face Chuck Berry style solo. Taylor simply doesn´t play like that.

Ok, I agree that it is Keith playing the (overdubbed) solo on the acetate version of JJF.
However, on (some) other live versions from the tour, it seems that MT is playing solo.
Maybe Keith thought he could do it better for Ya-Ya´s!

MT did often solo towards the end of this song in 1969 (as in the film Gimmer Sheletr version), but Keith is playing this solo overdub during the middle/bridge, whilst both MT and Keith are playing chords at this point in the song.

It's an unusal mix, this acetate... the songs are sometimes in mono.