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there's a difference between enjoying it and voting it as best tour!
You hit the nail on the head with the "tourists"
...as far as top bands that are worse...only one comes to mind, The Dead. I'm not including Warren in that statement....mostly Bob.
Are they in touch with their fans? Only the sycophants.
What about a live show from 1963?!!
I would say its unlikely that any exist, other than what we already have...
I heard some snippets of that 62 show that was auctioned a few years back, not much to listen to (quality, that is)..
JR
Where does it say that they should care what wwe wanna hear? Why should they release the vaults because we want them (Don't they have anything to say)? Sometimes it seems that people here regard a music group as a thing that can make their wishes come true. I don't get it. I understand the wish, but they're not a genie in a bottle that gives you wishes.
JumpingKentFlash
I stand correctd....YOU were right, it WAS 63...I must be getting senile in my old age...here is the link...it sold for 23+K UK POUNDS!!!!!
[www.christies.com]
JR
I wouldn't mind that either.
"Why do the Stones have to deliver only to the masses?"
"Cause its popular with the masses"
Unfortunately the Rolling Stones play music for the masses only these days, unlike Bruce Springsteen who dares to play different setlists and take requests from the audience.
What reaaly amazes me is, that you have been able to listen to snippets of this tape and I don't understand this thread's about who's right, just send me a copy of the tape whenever you come across it
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2009-05-05 20:59 by Rank Stranger.
Good point. They're doing what they want and tons of people are still coming to see them. I highly doubt people would walk out or sales would drop off if they played a few more less well-known numbers, but obviously they don't want to or they would.
fair enough. i'm not blaiming anyone for making money. but at the same time all this has nothing to do with rock n roll, art, creativity...it's just business and disneyland...but then agian, i must admit that they delivered for 20 years. and they delivered more then anybody else! still the greatest band of all time. from 1989 on (or maybe eben 1983) it all turned into a nostalgia-vegas crap. it's not rock n roll and i dont like it!
Ok where do I start. The Stones cater to 90% of the people who don't give a shit? They play to the bloke who owns Hot Rocks? If those "stats" are true, then 90% of the folks never go back to a Stones show? Why? They heard the warhorses, wouldn't they want more? OR They didn't think the Stones were all that good?
Are The Stones that bad that only 10% of the people come back for more?
I agree on point about The Stones/Dead are not a factor in live music anymore...both have went downhill rather quickly.
I've tried to contact 'em, but they won't answer. Damn restraining order.
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Re: Stones not in touch with their fans
Posted by:
guitarbastard
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Date: May 5, 2009 19:04
Quote
ablett
It wouldn't be that quite a few million enjoyed the ABB tour apart from you two?
there's a difference between enjoying it and voting it as best tour!
Re: Stones not in touch with their fans
Posted by:
Bingo
()
Date: May 5, 2009 19:17
Quote
kees
Ablett: Stones popular with the masses? I doubt it. Their CD's are selling poor, the masses are not buying it Son. Popular with so called 'tourists', people who want to see the Stones once in their lives, I presume you mean.
Any guitarists in top bands even worse than Ron and Keith at the moment? Name me one...
You hit the nail on the head with the "tourists"
...as far as top bands that are worse...only one comes to mind, The Dead. I'm not including Warren in that statement....mostly Bob.
Are they in touch with their fans? Only the sycophants.
Re: Stones not in touch with their fans
Posted by:
Rank Stranger
()
Date: May 5, 2009 19:18
Quote
stone-relics
I guess I am just spoiled.... And I dont really need much after that. Most of the boots from the 89-07 tours are just fine for me.
JR
What about a live show from 1963?!!
Re: Stones not in touch with their fans
Posted by:
ablett
()
Date: May 5, 2009 19:21
"Yeah I would be one of those 'few million'"
Yeah, I would be to. Twicks was one of the best Stones shows I ever seen.
"there's a difference between enjoying it and voting it as best tour!"
In your opinion. If a punter enjoyed the tour it might be described as being 'their best'....
Yeah, I would be to. Twicks was one of the best Stones shows I ever seen.
"there's a difference between enjoying it and voting it as best tour!"
In your opinion. If a punter enjoyed the tour it might be described as being 'their best'....
Re: Stones not in touch with their fans
Posted by:
stone-relics
()
Date: May 5, 2009 19:36
Quote
Rank StrangerQuote
stone-relics
I guess I am just spoiled.... And I dont really need much after that. Most of the boots from the 89-07 tours are just fine for me.
JR
What about a live show from 1963?!!
I would say its unlikely that any exist, other than what we already have...
I heard some snippets of that 62 show that was auctioned a few years back, not much to listen to (quality, that is)..
JR
Re: Stones not in touch with their fans
Posted by:
JumpingKentFlash
()
Date: May 5, 2009 19:43
Quote
kees
Judging from:
- the fact that the Stones don't dive into their archives at all / release any interesting box sets from the past
- their website sucks / Almost unbelievable how the 'greatest R&R band in the world' has such a fan degrading website
- the Stones hardly play songs the real fans want and just play almost the same greatest hit list since the Steel Wheels tour
Makes me conclude that they are not in touch at all (or don't give shit) about their real fans.
Is their not any Stones fan able to reach the band and somehow comminicate our wishes?
Where does it say that they should care what wwe wanna hear? Why should they release the vaults because we want them (Don't they have anything to say)? Sometimes it seems that people here regard a music group as a thing that can make their wishes come true. I don't get it. I understand the wish, but they're not a genie in a bottle that gives you wishes.
JumpingKentFlash
Re: Stones not in touch with their fans
Posted by:
Rank Stranger
()
Date: May 5, 2009 19:45
Once again, my fault; I thought that the show was from 1963.
Wasn't this a tape recorded by the bass player in Jeff Beck's group?
Wasn't this a tape recorded by the bass player in Jeff Beck's group?
Re: Stones not in touch with their fans
Posted by:
stone-relics
()
Date: May 5, 2009 19:54
Quote
Rank Stranger
Once again, my fault; I thought that the show was from 1963.
Wasn't this a tape recorded by the bass player in Jeff Beck's group?
I stand correctd....YOU were right, it WAS 63...I must be getting senile in my old age...here is the link...it sold for 23+K UK POUNDS!!!!!
[www.christies.com]
JR
Re: Stones not in touch with their fans
Posted by:
The Stones
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Date: May 5, 2009 19:55
Quote
kees
I would personally love to get all the "Place Pigalle' stuff in the best possible quality in combination with a 78 live DVD
I wouldn't mind that either.
"Why do the Stones have to deliver only to the masses?"
"Cause its popular with the masses"
Unfortunately the Rolling Stones play music for the masses only these days, unlike Bruce Springsteen who dares to play different setlists and take requests from the audience.
Re: Stones not in touch with their fans
Posted by:
Rank Stranger
()
Date: May 5, 2009 20:09
Quote
stone-relics
I stand correctd....YOU were right, it WAS 63...I must be getting senile in my old age...here is the link...it sold for 23+K UK POUNDS!!!!!
[www.christies.com]
JR
What reaaly amazes me is, that you have been able to listen to snippets of this tape and I don't understand this thread's about who's right, just send me a copy of the tape whenever you come across it
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2009-05-05 20:59 by Rank Stranger.
Re: Stones not in touch with their fans
Posted by:
alimente
()
Date: May 5, 2009 20:22
After Years of hoping and defending them, I finally realized and came to terms with the fact that the Stones are no band in the common sense anymore - despite the fact that the key members are still on board, they are basically no different from other oldies acts like the Temptations or Searchers with no or only a handful of original members, playing the old hits to whatever audience whos willing to pay for them, having fun on stage, but without any real creativity left behind the whole adventure. If theres any new music, it only tries to recapture pasts glory, without any real spark, fire and inspiration - no real band effort, no real heart in it - seldom played live, and if played live, the majority of the audience doesnt care for it.
At least other oldies acts plunder their vaults for unreleased recordings from the past, to please their fans and probably also because they need the income - unlike the Stones who are full of cash.
At least other oldies acts plunder their vaults for unreleased recordings from the past, to please their fans and probably also because they need the income - unlike the Stones who are full of cash.
Re: Stones not in touch with their fans
Posted by:
loveyoulive75
()
Date: May 5, 2009 20:34
I love how, for decades, the Stones were saluted for basically not giving a #&!# and doing whatever the hell they wanted to...and now they are being criticized for it.
Let's look at it from their perspective for a minute. Whenever they hit the road, the tours generally break all the previous records, if not for attendance, certainly for money made. That's because they perform the warhorses- 90% of the people who attend a Stones concert aren't neccessarily 'die hard' fanatics who crave the deep album cuts performed live. Jagger and Leavell -the guys behind the setlists- know damn well half the audience would walk out if they didn't get the classics. This 90 percentile probably couldn't care less about stuff off the new album or deep cuts- they want the stuff they hear on the radio. These are the people the live Stones machine cater to, and I don't see that changing anytime soon, I'm afraid. That's IF they do tour again, and quite frankly, I'm less than optimistic. Yes, there is a marked decline in Keith and Woody's playing...but I'd be willing to bet that it's really only diehards like ourselves who really notice it. Joe Fortysomething Yuppie, who probably owns "Hot Rocks" or "Fourty Licks" and maybe one or two of the classic studio albums, likely doesn't care if Keith blows the intro to "Brown Sugar"...ol' Joe is just happy to hear the #!$%ing song.He paid his $250 or whatever, he wants the hits, shaky playing be damned! The comparisons to the post-Garcia Dead are rather apt, I think- Stones concerts are an event; a big party, where the band happens to be playing music people love.
As for opening the vaults...yeah, it'd be nice, but again, from the band's perspective: why should they go to the trouble of fixing up either studio outtakes or vintage live shows that will only sell, probably at most, 100000 copies worldwide. To people, I might add, who tend to already have this stuff in their collections. It's just not worth it for them to do so. I think that "Rarities" CD a couple years back was their (admittedly misguided) attempt at throwing collectors a bone, and look how successful that was...I can't see them opening the vaults unless they get really desperate for the bucks. Look at the dwindling sales of each edition of the "Beatles Anthology" sets...how many general Beatles fans (as opposed to the diehards) bought those and actually listened to them more than once or twice? It would be no different for a "Stones Anthology" IMO...and Mick damned well knows that. Face it, folks, collectors like ourselves are in the minority here. Besides, let's own up: let's say they released Brussels '73 officially- would you REALLY want to see the twenty inevitable threads on this board about how the official release pales in comparison to the raw bootlegs? 'Cos chances are they'd #!$# up the official version somehow. You can please some people sometimes, but you can't please all the people all the time, and all that...
At the end of the day, I'd say that the Stones may not be in touch with the fanatics, but I'm willing to bet that the average fan has no complaints. Otherwise, those tours wouldn't exactly be record breaking. I think we fanatics just expect too much from our boys...bottom line, they're in it for the money -whether we like it or not- and touring the warhorses is where the money's at, not deep cuts, not archive material.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2009-05-05 20:40 by loveyoulive75.
Let's look at it from their perspective for a minute. Whenever they hit the road, the tours generally break all the previous records, if not for attendance, certainly for money made. That's because they perform the warhorses- 90% of the people who attend a Stones concert aren't neccessarily 'die hard' fanatics who crave the deep album cuts performed live. Jagger and Leavell -the guys behind the setlists- know damn well half the audience would walk out if they didn't get the classics. This 90 percentile probably couldn't care less about stuff off the new album or deep cuts- they want the stuff they hear on the radio. These are the people the live Stones machine cater to, and I don't see that changing anytime soon, I'm afraid. That's IF they do tour again, and quite frankly, I'm less than optimistic. Yes, there is a marked decline in Keith and Woody's playing...but I'd be willing to bet that it's really only diehards like ourselves who really notice it. Joe Fortysomething Yuppie, who probably owns "Hot Rocks" or "Fourty Licks" and maybe one or two of the classic studio albums, likely doesn't care if Keith blows the intro to "Brown Sugar"...ol' Joe is just happy to hear the #!$%ing song.He paid his $250 or whatever, he wants the hits, shaky playing be damned! The comparisons to the post-Garcia Dead are rather apt, I think- Stones concerts are an event; a big party, where the band happens to be playing music people love.
As for opening the vaults...yeah, it'd be nice, but again, from the band's perspective: why should they go to the trouble of fixing up either studio outtakes or vintage live shows that will only sell, probably at most, 100000 copies worldwide. To people, I might add, who tend to already have this stuff in their collections. It's just not worth it for them to do so. I think that "Rarities" CD a couple years back was their (admittedly misguided) attempt at throwing collectors a bone, and look how successful that was...I can't see them opening the vaults unless they get really desperate for the bucks. Look at the dwindling sales of each edition of the "Beatles Anthology" sets...how many general Beatles fans (as opposed to the diehards) bought those and actually listened to them more than once or twice? It would be no different for a "Stones Anthology" IMO...and Mick damned well knows that. Face it, folks, collectors like ourselves are in the minority here. Besides, let's own up: let's say they released Brussels '73 officially- would you REALLY want to see the twenty inevitable threads on this board about how the official release pales in comparison to the raw bootlegs? 'Cos chances are they'd #!$# up the official version somehow. You can please some people sometimes, but you can't please all the people all the time, and all that...
At the end of the day, I'd say that the Stones may not be in touch with the fanatics, but I'm willing to bet that the average fan has no complaints. Otherwise, those tours wouldn't exactly be record breaking. I think we fanatics just expect too much from our boys...bottom line, they're in it for the money -whether we like it or not- and touring the warhorses is where the money's at, not deep cuts, not archive material.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2009-05-05 20:40 by loveyoulive75.
Re: Stones not in touch with their fans
Posted by:
LieB
()
Date: May 5, 2009 20:49
This thread is getting off topic... The "vaults" question has been discussed to death, but yeah, it should be discussed til they release something worthy.
But back to topic ... yes, I agree that the Stones are a bit out of touch with their fans on the mentioned points. They have the *right* to do whatever they want, but that doesn't change the fact that their connection with their fans could be better. A small news or blog section on their website would be great, although not even Bill Wyman would care to blog...
In the end, you can't really blame the 60+ year old Stones members to keep up with everything the younger generation does and wants. For a young band of today, it would be suicide with such non-existant connections with the internet, but remember everything the Stones did in the '60s and '70s -- all the tv shows, all the interviews, all the promo videos, a couple of benefit shows, the '67 drug debate, not to mention recording and touring constantly.
But back to topic ... yes, I agree that the Stones are a bit out of touch with their fans on the mentioned points. They have the *right* to do whatever they want, but that doesn't change the fact that their connection with their fans could be better. A small news or blog section on their website would be great, although not even Bill Wyman would care to blog...
In the end, you can't really blame the 60+ year old Stones members to keep up with everything the younger generation does and wants. For a young band of today, it would be suicide with such non-existant connections with the internet, but remember everything the Stones did in the '60s and '70s -- all the tv shows, all the interviews, all the promo videos, a couple of benefit shows, the '67 drug debate, not to mention recording and touring constantly.
Re: Stones not in touch with their fans
Posted by:
ohnonotyouagain
()
Date: May 5, 2009 20:52
Quote
loveyoulive75
I love how, for decades, the Stones were saluted for basically not giving a #&!# and doing whatever the hell they wanted to...and now they are being criticized for it.
Good point. They're doing what they want and tons of people are still coming to see them. I highly doubt people would walk out or sales would drop off if they played a few more less well-known numbers, but obviously they don't want to or they would.
Re: Stones not in touch with their fans
Posted by:
guitarbastard
()
Date: May 5, 2009 20:53
Quote
loveyoulive75
.bottom line, they're in it for the money -whether we like it or not- and touring the warhorses is where the money's at, not deep cuts, not archive material.
fair enough. i'm not blaiming anyone for making money. but at the same time all this has nothing to do with rock n roll, art, creativity...it's just business and disneyland...but then agian, i must admit that they delivered for 20 years. and they delivered more then anybody else! still the greatest band of all time. from 1989 on (or maybe eben 1983) it all turned into a nostalgia-vegas crap. it's not rock n roll and i dont like it!
Re: Stones not in touch with their fans
Posted by:
MKjan
()
Date: May 5, 2009 21:10
Quote
loveyoulive75
I love how, for decades, the Stones were saluted for basically not giving a #&!# and doing whatever the hell they wanted to...and now they are being criticized for it.
Let's look at it from their perspective for a minute. Whenever they hit the road, the tours generally break all the previous records, if not for attendance, certainly for money made. That's because they perform the warhorses- 90% of the people who attend a Stones concert aren't neccessarily 'die hard' fanatics who crave the deep album cuts performed live. Jagger and Leavell -the guys behind the setlists- know damn well half the audience would walk out if they didn't get the classics. This 90 percentile probably couldn't care less about stuff off the new album or deep cuts- they want the stuff they hear on the radio. These are the people the live Stones machine cater to, and I don't see that changing anytime soon, I'm afraid. That's IF they do tour again, and quite frankly, I'm less than optimistic. Yes, there is a marked decline in Keith and Woody's playing...but I'd be willing to bet that it's really only diehards like ourselves who really notice it. Joe Fortysomething Yuppie, who probably owns "Hot Rocks" or "Fourty Licks" and maybe one or two of the classic studio albums, likely doesn't care if Keith blows the intro to "Brown Sugar"...ol' Joe is just happy to hear the #!$%ing song.He paid his $250 or whatever, he wants the hits, shaky playing be damned! The comparisons to the post-Garcia Dead are rather apt, I think- Stones concerts are an event; a big party, where the band happens to be playing music people love.
As for opening the vaults...yeah, it'd be nice, but again, from the band's perspective: why should they go to the trouble of fixing up either studio outtakes or vintage live shows that will only sell, probably at most, 100000 copies worldwide. To people, I might add, who tend to already have this stuff in their collections. It's just not worth it for them to do so. I think that "Rarities" CD a couple years back was their (admittedly misguided) attempt at throwing collectors a bone, and look how successful that was...I can't see them opening the vaults unless they get really desperate for the bucks. Look at the dwindling sales of each edition of the "Beatles Anthology" sets...how many general Beatles fans (as opposed to the diehards) bought those and actually listened to them more than once or twice? It would be no different for a "Stones Anthology" IMO...and Mick damned well knows that. Face it, folks, collectors like ourselves are in the minority here. Besides, let's own up: let's say they released Brussels '73 officially- would you REALLY want to see the twenty inevitable threads on this board about how the official release pales in comparison to the raw bootlegs? 'Cos chances are they'd #!$# up the official version somehow. You can please some people sometimes, but you can't please all the people all the time, and all that...
At the end of the day, I'd say that the Stones may not be in touch with the fanatics, but I'm willing to bet that the average fan has no complaints. Otherwise, those tours wouldn't exactly be record breaking. I think we fanatics just expect too much from our boys...bottom line, they're in it for the money -whether we like it or not- and touring the warhorses is where the money's at, not deep cuts, not archive material.
Re: Stones not in touch with their fans
Posted by:
MKjan
()
Date: May 5, 2009 21:12
oops,
but I wanted to say these are very good points raised by loveyoulive75.
in their shoes, thru their eyes, it could all look very clear.
but I wanted to say these are very good points raised by loveyoulive75.
in their shoes, thru their eyes, it could all look very clear.
Re: Stones not in touch with their fans
Posted by:
HelterSkelter
()
Date: May 5, 2009 21:13
Compare their contemporaries -
BEATLES
- 3 DOUBLE ANTHOLOGY CD's with BRILLIANT OUTTAKES, ALTERNATIVE VERSIONS,
LIVE VERSIONS, DEMO'S
- ANTHOLOGY DVD BOX SET WITH 5 Discs, BRILLIANTLY DONE
- REMASTERS COMING 9/9/09 of entire ORIGINAL CATALOGUE that sound like 11
from 1 to 10 - listen to the remastered YELLOW SUBMARINE from a couple
years ago, or LOVE - Amazing Sound...
LED ZEPPELIN
- 1 Album of extra, unreleased songs - CODA + 4 excellent unreleased Box
Set tracks
- One of the Best Live Albums EVER put out - HOW THE WEST WAS WON
- The BEST Concert footage DVD's ever put out - the 2 disc LED ZEPPELIN
- PLANT/PAGE very original MTV Unplugged (NO QUARTER) including songs
played in Morocco's most famous square - DJEMMA EL-FNA in MARRAKESH
- The upgrade for the film THE SONG REMAINS THE SAME - excellent sound and
bonus songs added. CD is now the complete show minus encores.
LET'S REMEMBER THAT THE BEATLES AND LED ZEPPELIN ONLY HAD ABOUT 10 to 12 YEARS TOGETHER
BOB DYLAN - man, where do I begin on box sets and unreleased material. DYLAN'S been very bad about releasing films and concerts on DVD but the music output is amazing.
Sure wish the Stones would hire someone and put out a great Box Set/DVD collections. I don't think they want to deal with it all.....
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2009-05-06 00:00 by HelterSkelter.
BEATLES
- 3 DOUBLE ANTHOLOGY CD's with BRILLIANT OUTTAKES, ALTERNATIVE VERSIONS,
LIVE VERSIONS, DEMO'S
- ANTHOLOGY DVD BOX SET WITH 5 Discs, BRILLIANTLY DONE
- REMASTERS COMING 9/9/09 of entire ORIGINAL CATALOGUE that sound like 11
from 1 to 10 - listen to the remastered YELLOW SUBMARINE from a couple
years ago, or LOVE - Amazing Sound...
LED ZEPPELIN
- 1 Album of extra, unreleased songs - CODA + 4 excellent unreleased Box
Set tracks
- One of the Best Live Albums EVER put out - HOW THE WEST WAS WON
- The BEST Concert footage DVD's ever put out - the 2 disc LED ZEPPELIN
- PLANT/PAGE very original MTV Unplugged (NO QUARTER) including songs
played in Morocco's most famous square - DJEMMA EL-FNA in MARRAKESH
- The upgrade for the film THE SONG REMAINS THE SAME - excellent sound and
bonus songs added. CD is now the complete show minus encores.
LET'S REMEMBER THAT THE BEATLES AND LED ZEPPELIN ONLY HAD ABOUT 10 to 12 YEARS TOGETHER
BOB DYLAN - man, where do I begin on box sets and unreleased material. DYLAN'S been very bad about releasing films and concerts on DVD but the music output is amazing.
Sure wish the Stones would hire someone and put out a great Box Set/DVD collections. I don't think they want to deal with it all.....
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2009-05-06 00:00 by HelterSkelter.
Re: Stones not in touch with their fans
Posted by:
Bingo
()
Date: May 5, 2009 21:22
Quote
loveyoulive75
That's because they perform the warhorses- 90% of the people who attend a Stones concert aren't neccessarily 'die hard' fanatics who crave the deep album cuts performed live. Jagger and Leavell -the guys behind the setlists- know damn well half the audience would walk out if they didn't get the classics. This 90 percentile probably couldn't care less about stuff off the new album or deep cuts- they want the stuff they hear on the radio. These are the people the live Stones machine cater to, and I don't see that changing anytime soon, I'm afraid. That's IF they do tour again, and quite frankly, I'm less than optimistic. Yes, there is a marked decline in Keith and Woody's playing...but I'd be willing to bet that it's really only diehards like ourselves who really notice it. Joe Fortysomething Yuppie, who probably owns "Hot Rocks" or "Fourty Licks" and maybe one or two of the classic studio albums, likely doesn't care if Keith blows the intro to "Brown Sugar"...ol' Joe is just happy to hear the #!$%ing song.He paid his $250 or whatever, he wants the hits, shaky playing be damned! The comparisons to the post-Garcia Dead are rather apt, I think- Stones concerts are an event; a big party, where the band happens to be playing music people love.
Ok where do I start. The Stones cater to 90% of the people who don't give a shit? They play to the bloke who owns Hot Rocks? If those "stats" are true, then 90% of the folks never go back to a Stones show? Why? They heard the warhorses, wouldn't they want more? OR They didn't think the Stones were all that good?
Are The Stones that bad that only 10% of the people come back for more?
I agree on point about The Stones/Dead are not a factor in live music anymore...both have went downhill rather quickly.
Re: Stones not in touch with their fans
Posted by:
CharliesSinger
()
Date: May 5, 2009 21:25
Fans not in touch with the Stones.
Re: Stones not in touch with their fans
Posted by:
Elmo Lewis
()
Date: May 5, 2009 21:42
Quote
CharliesSinger
Fans not in touch with the Stones.
I've tried to contact 'em, but they won't answer. Damn restraining order.
Re: Stones not in touch with their fans
Posted by:
ablett
()
Date: May 5, 2009 21:46
Compare their contemporaries -
Zepplin and Beatles would have a job putting out new stuff?
Zepplin and Beatles would have a job putting out new stuff?
Re: Stones not in touch with their fans
Posted by:
Bjorn
()
Date: May 5, 2009 22:13
I think it´s pretty sad when you BV defend the band...all the time...no matter: If they have a BAD site..."well, they are a liveband, not a site-band...shouldn´t be bothered" and so on. If they all of a sudden would have a great site:"The best band in the world...RS...should have one, ofcourse...it´s a natural thing...", you would say, wouldn´t you??? Wake up, BV.
Re: Stones not in touch with their fans
Posted by:
ablett
()
Date: May 5, 2009 22:18
Its BV' opinion. Up to him if thats the way he feels.
All in all its a Rock N Roll band almost at the end of their career.
No big deal
All in all its a Rock N Roll band almost at the end of their career.
No big deal
Re: Stones not in touch with their fans
Posted by:
Bingo
()
Date: May 5, 2009 22:23
Quote
Bjorn
I think it´s pretty sad when you BV defend the band...all the time...no matter: If they have a BAD site..."well, they are a liveband, not a site-band...shouldn´t be bothered" and so on. If they all of a sudden would have a great site:"The best band in the world...RS...should have one, ofcourse...it´s a natural thing...", you would say, wouldn´t you??? Wake up, BV.
BV=The Rolling Stones
Gazza=The Fan
StonesDoug=The Party
Re: Stones not in touch with their fans
Posted by:
kees
()
Date: May 6, 2009 01:10
Thanks for all the reactions. Basically they don't care sbout their fan base is my conclusion:
- No serious money in it to go through release the vaults (I agree)
- ignorance with regards to their website
- no self confidence to play new material at their gigs (the tourist don't know the new material contrary to Dylan, U2 and Springsteen fans)
- two guitaritsts who don;t have the skills to play very changing set lists
I think it is a shame in comparison how Dylan, Springsteen, U2 to name a few deal with their fan base
And BV, do you really think any serious fan voted the ABB tour ahead of any gig between 69/81 ? Dream on.
- No serious money in it to go through release the vaults (I agree)
- ignorance with regards to their website
- no self confidence to play new material at their gigs (the tourist don't know the new material contrary to Dylan, U2 and Springsteen fans)
- two guitaritsts who don;t have the skills to play very changing set lists
I think it is a shame in comparison how Dylan, Springsteen, U2 to name a few deal with their fan base
And BV, do you really think any serious fan voted the ABB tour ahead of any gig between 69/81 ? Dream on.
Re: Stones not in touch with their fans
Posted by:
Justin
()
Date: May 6, 2009 01:22
Two words to describe their career at this point: AUTO PILOT.
You can't blame them for not challenging themselves or the audience when everything is working so well like a well oiled machine. Why change it up when no matter what they do...they still make 500 million dollars each tour??
At this point, they can't be bothered with stronger set lists, better websites or opening up vaults...they're nearing the end of the road. They're just enjoying the ride no matter how unfair or unpleasant it may be for the rest of us....
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2009-05-06 01:32 by Justin.
You can't blame them for not challenging themselves or the audience when everything is working so well like a well oiled machine. Why change it up when no matter what they do...they still make 500 million dollars each tour??
At this point, they can't be bothered with stronger set lists, better websites or opening up vaults...they're nearing the end of the road. They're just enjoying the ride no matter how unfair or unpleasant it may be for the rest of us....
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2009-05-06 01:32 by Justin.
Re: Stones not in touch with their fans
Posted by:
boston2006
()
Date: May 6, 2009 01:31
Gotta agree with bv on this one .
This topic has been discussed so many times that he should have closed the thread rather than replying .
Once again I'll make this statement .
"If the stuff in the "vaults " was worth releasing or recording they'd use it .
Stop your bellyaching and be happy they're still performing .
This topic has been discussed so many times that he should have closed the thread rather than replying .
Once again I'll make this statement .
"If the stuff in the "vaults " was worth releasing or recording they'd use it .
Stop your bellyaching and be happy they're still performing .
Re: Stones not in touch with their fans
Posted by:
kees
()
Date: May 6, 2009 01:46
Why do I have to be happy they are still performing? I am not happy at all with the shape Keith and Ronnie were in the last tours and with the boring set lists. As simple as that.
Close the thread? That would have been a real joke.
How can you be sure there is nothing worth in the vaults? Worht maybe not to sell millions if that is what you mean. But why not think about the fans who have supported them though all these years?
Close the thread? That would have been a real joke.
How can you be sure there is nothing worth in the vaults? Worht maybe not to sell millions if that is what you mean. But why not think about the fans who have supported them though all these years?
Re: Stones not in touch with their fans
Posted by:
boston2006
()
Date: May 6, 2009 01:56
I'VE BEEN WITH THEM SINCE '65 !
Check out some of the bootleg studio recordings and outakes and then get back to me .
And you said " I am not happy at all with the shape Keith and Ronnie were in the last tours "
These guys are in their sixties and haven't exactly led exemplarary lives . My God if you lived half the life these guys have led I'm sure you wouldn't be alive to be b*tching about set lists and box sets .
Check out some of the bootleg studio recordings and outakes and then get back to me .
And you said " I am not happy at all with the shape Keith and Ronnie were in the last tours "
These guys are in their sixties and haven't exactly led exemplarary lives . My God if you lived half the life these guys have led I'm sure you wouldn't be alive to be b*tching about set lists and box sets .
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