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Re: Track Talk: Casino Boogie
Posted by: Mathijs ()
Date: July 10, 2014 16:15

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Rockman
As for the much debated lyric, it was prominently displayed on a sheet of paper in the Stones in Exile documentary. .... Exactly




Still from Stones In Exile .........................

Half of the Exile documentary is fake, and this looks fake too.

Listen to it with headphones and it clearly is 'cut'. I have believed for years it's '@#$%&', but it isn't so in reality.

Mathijs

Re: Track Talk: Casino Boogie
Posted by: Rockman ()
Date: July 11, 2014 00:26

Ha!! ...Geeez I thought it was "cut" for years & years
then with that bit in Stones In Exile figured shit I musta got it wrong .....



ROCKMAN

Re: Track Talk: Casino Boogie
Posted by: 71Tele ()
Date: July 11, 2014 01:01

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Rockman
Ha!! ...Geeez I thought it was "cut" for years & years
then with that bit in Stones In Exile figured shit I musta got it wrong .....

Me too!

Re: Track Talk: Casino Boogie
Posted by: Rockman ()
Date: July 11, 2014 01:03

.... So where are we now Tele ??? ...



ROCKMAN

Re: Track Talk: Casino Boogie
Posted by: shadooby ()
Date: July 11, 2014 01:12

Kissin' cut...hmmm...I once cut my hand crossin' a barbed wire fence and sucked the blood out to prevent tetanus, so could beconfused smiley

Re: Track Talk: Casino Boogie
Posted by: latebloomer ()
Date: July 11, 2014 02:27

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Mathijs
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Rockman
As for the much debated lyric, it was prominently displayed on a sheet of paper in the Stones in Exile documentary. .... Exactly




Still from Stones In Exile .........................

Half of the Exile documentary is fake, and this looks fake too.

Listen to it with headphones and it clearly is 'cut'. I have believed for years it's '@#$%&', but it isn't so in reality.

Mathijs

I don't think it was the real cut up scrap either, if one even existed for that interesting lyric.
Maybe it is cut, but Mick and Keith were both the executive producers for that film so why would they approve that shot if that isn't the line? Unless they decided that it was much cooler to let people think that was their original intention...that I can see.

Re: Track Talk: Casino Boogie
Posted by: usetobesampeg ()
Date: July 11, 2014 04:37

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Rockman
Ha!! ...Geeez I thought it was "cut" for years & years
then with that bit in Stones In Exile figured shit I musta got it wrong .....

I always thought it was as well! This made me remember that back then that if the lyrics weren’t on the LP, we’d go down Wallace’s Music City & check out the sheet music or songbook, for EOMS I think I had to wait for a Japanese Import to read the lyrics, you can bet they were wrong,

BTW RE: “ Starbucker, Star,Star Etc” I was sure the line was “Two Ton Kisses” not “Two Tone”,

Re: Track Talk: Casino Boogie
Posted by: bitusa2012 ()
Date: July 11, 2014 07:13

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whitem8

I thought I tride to explain it when I wrote: "Secondly, it makes sense, nthey are living in France, Mick is high society hob knobbing with the elite at the Cannes film fest."

Whereas "...kissing cut in can..." doesn't seem to make as much sense. I can see how someone might think that is referring to a cut that is in the can, movie talk of stuff included or excluded from the final cut, and link that to the Deitrich movies line, but I think the link to their life styles, hence "Exile On Main Street" theme is move compelling of a link to "kissing cvnt in Cannes..."

I guess I still don't see what "cvnt" has to do with high society hobnobbing? or kissing it... do you mean like kissing ass? It would certainly seem dishonest to trash the people you choose to hang out with, regardless of their class, but on the rest of the album the lifestyle they pretend to have is more low-down or down-home, even working-class--you know, sh!t-on-the-shoes, torn and frayed, nitty-gritty, turd-running, etc.--so maybe this is actually more honest. If it does to refer to the international jet set.


AS IN ...,LIKE, ORAL SEX

Re: Track Talk: Casino Boogie
Posted by: bitusa2012 ()
Date: July 11, 2014 07:21

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Edward Twining
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drewmaster
Casino Boogie is a fine track, although not one of my top 5 from Exile. It's got a cool swagger to it and fits the album very well. A great, loose, rollicking boogie. Just doesn't qualify as a masterpiece, in my book.

Drew

I think what makes 'Exile On Main Street' so great, drewmaster, is that in a sense the Stones don't give any impression of being constrained in any way. The 'Beggars Banquet' - 'Sticky Fingers' albums are brilliant, and as brilliant as 'Exile' in many ways, but they are very tidy albums, where one gets the impression the Stones had one eye in crafting great individual songs, to ultimately result in creating a wonderfully impressive whole - commercial aspirations always being a central part. There is a self consciousness to be found on those albums which is pretty much lacking on 'Exile', which i believe in some ways represents their rock 'n' roll, blues, soul and country roots that much more authentically. The Stones just seems so utterly relaxed and masterful on everything they touch on 'Exile', whatever their primary influence may be, and it marks perhaps the clearest division between what their main rivals the Beatles primary assets always were (great songcraft, and experimentation) and what have been the Stones (the rawness and essence found in the roots of popular music). 'Casino Boogie' may not be the greatest Stones song in its construction, but it's a great representation of what they do best - it's their true forte, and in that regard it does rank with their best.


Great and accurate dissection. Exile IS a masterpiece coz it sounds like they really just threw it together, into a SOUP if you like, and the a la carte meal that is Exile was served up. Some portions EXTREMELY TASTY, some less so, but served together...an EXPERIENCE in how rock should be delivered....

SO, yes, I agree that Casino Boogie, on its own, might not be seen as a Stones classic, but amongst the other ingredients that make up Exile, it's a necessary and totally required, and therefore high ranking, Stones tune.

I love it, have played it hundreds of times but I have to admit I have NEVER even heard that cvnt word!!

Re: Track Talk: Casino Boogie
Posted by: blivet ()
Date: July 11, 2014 07:29

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usetobesampeg
BTW RE: “ Starbucker, Star,Star Etc” I was sure the line was “Two Ton Kisses” not “Two Tone”,

I always thought it was "two-tongue".

Re: Track Talk: Casino Boogie
Posted by: usetobesampeg ()
Date: July 11, 2014 08:38

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blivet
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usetobesampeg
BTW RE: “ Starbucker, Star,Star Etc” I was sure the line was “Two Ton Kisses” not “Two Tone”,

I always thought it was "two-tongue".


Yeah that works as well,

Re: Track Talk: Casino Boogie
Date: July 11, 2014 10:44

I, too thoight for years it was 'cut in cans'. But why? Only because I was conditioned by that sheet music lyric sheet. The ones that gave me other ridiculous interpretations.
Like drbryant said: it mnakes no sense for them to have written 'cut in cans'. Makes a lot of sense for it to be "@#$%& in Cannes".

Re: Track Talk: Casino Boogie
Posted by: z ()
Date: July 11, 2014 15:36

'skip rope' or 'slit throat'?

Re: Track Talk: Casino Boogie
Posted by: Silver Dagger ()
Date: July 11, 2014 16:48

It's five years since this thread was started and it's still kissing c unt in Cannes, as far as I'm concerned. And that's a lot of kissing c unt. eye popping smiley

Re: Track Talk: Casino Boogie
Posted by: Come On ()
Date: July 11, 2014 20:48

Not even my old mother would have raised eyebrows over that Word..Kissing c unt..what's the big deal...BTW in Sweden we lick them....

2 1 2 0

Re: Track Talk: Casino Boogie
Date: July 11, 2014 20:59

"Cut" and "Two-tongue" (Starfvcker)

Re: Track Talk: Casino Boogie
Posted by: 71Tele ()
Date: July 12, 2014 07:26

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Rockman
.... So where are we now Tele ??? ...

I don't know about you, Rockman, but I'm sticking with "cut".

Re: Track Talk: Casino Boogie
Posted by: Aquamarine ()
Date: July 12, 2014 11:22

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71Tele
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Rockman
.... So where are we now Tele ??? ...

I don't know about you, Rockman, but I'm sticking with "cut".

Me too. thumbs up

Seems a lot of wasted energy trying to make anything in the song make sense--thanks to the method of composition, by definition it's not going to make sense!

Re: Track Talk: Casino Boogie
Posted by: Pietro ()
Date: August 7, 2014 21:06

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liddas
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skl127
Dietrich movies, close up boogies, kissing @#$%& in Cannes
Grotesque music, million dollar sad


Let's clear this up once and for all

The lyric is:

DIETRICH MOVIES, CLOSE UP BOOGIES, KISSING CUT IN CANS

CUT as in a film cut

and CANS as in film that is 'in the can'

It's not that other rather rude word that everybody seems to think it is

Just listen to it loud on headphones - you'll hear it is unmistakably CUT in CANS

The lyrics here have a a FILM feel to it i.e. CLOSE UP, GROTESQUE MUSIC, MILLION DOLLAR SAD, and has nothing whatever to do with that other rude 'word'


Cheers

Me prefers the rude word ...

C

The words are "kissing cvnt in Cannes," Cannes being the city in France, famous for its film festival.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2014-08-07 21:08 by Pietro.

Re: Track Talk: Casino Boogie
Date: August 7, 2014 22:12

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Pietro
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liddas
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skl127
Dietrich movies, close up boogies, kissing @#$%& in Cannes
Grotesque music, million dollar sad


Let's clear this up once and for all

The lyric is:

DIETRICH MOVIES, CLOSE UP BOOGIES, KISSING CUT IN CANS

CUT as in a film cut

and CANS as in film that is 'in the can'

It's not that other rather rude word that everybody seems to think it is

Just listen to it loud on headphones - you'll hear it is unmistakably CUT in CANS

The lyrics here have a a FILM feel to it i.e. CLOSE UP, GROTESQUE MUSIC, MILLION DOLLAR SAD, and has nothing whatever to do with that other rude 'word'


Cheers

Me prefers the rude word ...

C

The words are "kissing cvnt in Cannes," Cannes being the city in France, famous for its film festival.

..where you can watch several new "cuts" of film every year. There is no audible "n" in that word on Exile.

Cannes and film "can" could be a double meaning they found hilarious while "writing" the lyrics smiling smiley

Re: Track Talk: Casino Boogie
Posted by: mudbone ()
Date: August 7, 2014 23:49

it's kiss TIN, cut in CANNES folks. Notice the ,



nice track... delta blues with a country flavour and a pinch of Berry.

A mix only the stones could pull off.

Re: Track Talk: Casino Boogie
Date: August 7, 2014 23:51

You can hear the comma? winking smiley

Re: Track Talk: Casino Boogie
Posted by: mudbone ()
Date: August 8, 2014 00:01

yeah, I'm weird like that. But it's definitely there!

you all have some dirty minds ( wich is of course a joy forever)



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2014-08-08 00:02 by mudbone.

Re: Track Talk: Casino Boogie
Date: August 8, 2014 00:01

smiling smiley

Re: Track Talk: Casino Boogie
Posted by: alhavu1 ()
Date: August 8, 2014 17:55

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The Ghost Of Good taste
A filthy funky masterpiece. Exhibit 1 in the "why The Rolling Stones are amillion times better than the Beatles" argument - because they were lowdown and nasty. "Casino Boogie" rolls so hard, it rocks.

...and I agree with the posters that have pointed out the beauty of the sax solo - one of my favorite moments in 1970's rock n roll.

Viva Casino Boogie!

Thank you. But I would say "a zillion times better"

Re: Track Talk: Casino Boogie
Posted by: GasLightStreet ()
Date: August 8, 2014 18:04

This offers an explanation as to why it is thought to be cut instead of...

I am very sure that this what Mick sings. Hollywood kiss scenes put on celluloid rather than obnoxious people kissing each other during the Cannes film festival. Also fits with the Marlene Dietrich context.

[rock.genius.com]

Re: Track Talk: Casino Boogie
Posted by: 71Tele ()
Date: August 8, 2014 18:35

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GasLightStreet
This offers an explanation as to why it is thought to be cut instead of...

I am very sure that this what Mick sings. Hollywood kiss scenes put on celluloid rather than obnoxious people kissing each other during the Cannes film festival. Also fits with the Marlene Dietrich context.

[rock.genius.com]

Yes.

Re: Track Talk: Casino Boogie
Posted by: mudbone ()
Date: August 8, 2014 20:24

It's not kissing....it's kis tin

and it's not

cvnt...it's cut



It's easy to hear, I don't get this whole debate for the life of me..

Re: Track Talk: Casino Boogie
Posted by: Raymond82 ()
Date: August 8, 2014 20:33

Bobby is on fire here... Stunning solo in a stunning song.

100% in my top 10 Stones tracks.

Re: Track Talk: Casino Boogie
Posted by: GasLightStreet ()
Date: August 9, 2014 22:10

There is no audible "n" in that word on Exile.

Yet alone a lot on the album. C-u-n-t makes sense due to hot movie starlets and pussy all over the place for movie events. I've always thought it was c-u-n-t and have never wavered. Cuntitis!

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