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Well, in the case of torrents, it is not on their servers. It is on the computers of the individual users...
what's your stake in the matter, Greek? Why so angry?
fine, so do I. But why are you personally so eager to see them harshly punished? I still don't see what it is to you.
If you make a web site with easy access to all people who are willing to drive you or work during a bank robbery then may be it is not criminal, but I would certainly not be a big fan of such a web site. These guys are bending the rules and they are simply making it easy to steal the work from performing artists. And... most performing artists are just poor, hard working, like you and me. Some people think of these guys like some sort of Robin Hood, but faact is they rob everybody, rich and poor.
Bjornulf
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OT ; Pirate Bay four found guilty ,one year jail !
Posted by:
UrbanSteel
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Date: April 17, 2009 14:06
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2018-09-12 13:59 by UrbanSteel.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2018-09-12 13:59 by UrbanSteel.
Re: OT ; Pirate Bay four found guilty ,one year jail !
Posted by:
Lorenz
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Date: April 17, 2009 14:10
a sad day 
Re: OT ; Pirate Bay four found guilty ,one year jail !
Posted by:
loog droog
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Date: April 17, 2009 15:53
At least they weren't taken down by Navy Seals.
Re: OT ; Pirate Bay four found guilty ,one year jail !
Posted by:
Amused
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Date: April 17, 2009 16:13
I was following the case from the very first day, it's all politics because their arguments were very strong. They are not going to land in jail I think, it's not over.
Re: OT ; Pirate Bay four found guilty ,one year jail !
Posted by:
bv
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Date: April 17, 2009 16:40
I don't know much about the details here, but in general I think it is bad to steal from others. If I spend two years on a work and somebody just steal it that does not make sense to me. I am a software developer so I have developed a lot, and if all software was stolen then nobody would pay my bills. Same with muscicians I guess. Or design. Or art. Or your car. Is there a limit of what you can steal? If you can place it on internet then it is ok to steal it?
Bjornulf
Bjornulf
Re: OT ; Pirate Bay four found guilty ,one year jail !
Posted by:
Lorenz
()
Date: April 17, 2009 16:54
Technology moved faster than music/movie industry. That is what happened
fighting it won't help, customers do what is easiest and they weren't presented with an acceptable alternative solution (other than high prices ITunes). no use in criminalizing millions of internet users.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2009-04-17 16:54 by Lorenz.
fighting it won't help, customers do what is easiest and they weren't presented with an acceptable alternative solution (other than high prices ITunes). no use in criminalizing millions of internet users.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2009-04-17 16:54 by Lorenz.
Re: OT ; Pirate Bay four found guilty ,one year jail !
Posted by:
Duane in Houston
()
Date: April 17, 2009 17:21
If it IS copywrited material then it IS protected. My opinion is that it is then the responsibility of the "provider" i.e. Traders Den. I pay my internet service bill and can legally access anything that's on the internet at that point. If it's on my computer screen then I can legally download or print it as well as long as I'm not re-selling it for a profit (except for child porn I guess, which is another debate alltogether) The Website's need to police what's on their sites.
Re: OT ; Pirate Bay four found guilty ,one year jail !
Posted by:
Lorenz
()
Date: April 17, 2009 17:30
Quote
Duane in Houston
If it IS copywrited material then it IS protected. My opinion is that it is then the responsibility of the "provider" i.e. Traders Den. I pay my internet service bill and can legally access anything that's on the internet at that point. If it's on my computer screen then I can legally download or print it as well as long as I'm not re-selling it for a profit (except for child porn I guess, which is another debate alltogether) The Website's need to police what's on their sites.
Well, in the case of torrents, it is not on their servers. It is on the computers of the individual users...
Re: OT ; Pirate Bay four found guilty ,one year jail !
Posted by:
Anonymous User
()
Date: April 17, 2009 19:25
i agree .these criminals deserve more time in the graybar than one lousy year, and they should be liable for damages for there piracy.Quote
bv
I don't know much about the details here, but in general I think it is bad to steal from others. If I spend two years on a work and somebody just steal it that does not make sense to me. I am a software developer so I have developed a lot, and if all software was stolen then nobody would pay my bills. Same with muscicians I guess. Or design. Or art. Or your car. Is there a limit of what you can steal? If you can place it on internet then it is ok to steal it?
Re: OT ; Pirate Bay four found guilty ,one year jail !
Posted by:
StonesTod
()
Date: April 17, 2009 19:32
used to be fun to be a pirate...now they shoot you and stuff....
Re: OT ; Pirate Bay four found guilty ,one year jail !
Posted by:
cc
()
Date: April 17, 2009 19:53
Quote
The Greeki agree .these criminals deserve more time in the graybar than one lousy year, and they should be liable for damages for there piracy.Quote
bv
I don't know much about the details here, but in general I think it is bad to steal from others. If I spend two years on a work and somebody just steal it that does not make sense to me. I am a software developer so I have developed a lot, and if all software was stolen then nobody would pay my bills. Same with muscicians I guess. Or design. Or art. Or your car. Is there a limit of what you can steal? If you can place it on internet then it is ok to steal it?
what's your stake in the matter, Greek? Why so angry?
Re: OT ; Pirate Bay four found guilty ,one year jail !
Posted by:
Heart for Stones
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Date: April 17, 2009 20:05
So if you record something from a radio- or TV station, then distributors (the owner of the broadcaster) should be put in jail and pay for the damage ????
Just wondering.................
Just wondering.................
Re: OT ; Pirate Bay four found guilty ,one year jail !
Posted by:
Bingo
()
Date: April 17, 2009 20:10
Phil Spector is rumoured to be his cellmate. 
Re: OT ; Pirate Bay four found guilty ,one year jail !
Posted by:
mickijaggeroo
()
Date: April 17, 2009 20:29
Let me explain: Piratebay only allows it´s users to post links to torrents, no torrents are hosted on their website. So, you could just as easily find links to torrents on Google or any other searchengine, so why not prosecute them?
By saying this, I´m not taking a stand, just explaining the facts.
Vilhelm
Nordic Stones Vikings
By saying this, I´m not taking a stand, just explaining the facts.
Vilhelm
Nordic Stones Vikings
Re: OT ; Pirate Bay four found guilty ,one year jail !
Posted by:
Anonymous User
()
Date: April 17, 2009 20:37
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cci choose to purchase and pay for my music and movies from retail stores .i do not like thieves .Quote
The Greeki agree .these criminals deserve more time in the graybar than one lousy year, and they should be liable for damages for there piracy.Quote
bv
I don't know much about the details here, but in general I think it is bad to steal from others. If I spend two years on a work and somebody just steal it that does not make sense to me. I am a software developer so I have developed a lot, and if all software was stolen then nobody would pay my bills. Same with muscicians I guess. Or design. Or art. Or your car. Is there a limit of what you can steal? If you can place it on internet then it is ok to steal it?
what's your stake in the matter, Greek? Why so angry?
Re: OT ; Pirate Bay four found guilty ,one year jail !
Posted by:
audun-eg
()
Date: April 17, 2009 20:59
It is not right if artists don't get paid for their work of course, but let's go back in time: I remember that I often borrowed records from friends. Should I have paid the artists some kind of rent? If a neighbour comes over to borrow a shovel, should I refuse because it will cause the "shovel-makers" losing money? How about if somebody borrows my car? Should I send a notification to SAAB so they can bill the loaner? (God knows they need it nowadays...)
I know this is a little far out, but none of this would have happened if the record-industry wasn't too greedy and grabbed the opportunity before it was too late. How about the developers of the mp3 format? Should they be punished? After all they made it possible when internet-connections were much slower than today.
I do not defend piracy on the internet as of such, but were to draw the line? What is borrowing/sharing, and what is stealing? To copy an artists work to sell it for personal profit is quite another case of course.
I certainly don't know the answer here, but I do know that it takes more than this to stop people from sharing files on the internet. I also know that I still will buy music from artists I like, but it bothers me that quite a lot of the money doesn't find its way to the artists pockets...
[www.reverbnation.com]
I know this is a little far out, but none of this would have happened if the record-industry wasn't too greedy and grabbed the opportunity before it was too late. How about the developers of the mp3 format? Should they be punished? After all they made it possible when internet-connections were much slower than today.
I do not defend piracy on the internet as of such, but were to draw the line? What is borrowing/sharing, and what is stealing? To copy an artists work to sell it for personal profit is quite another case of course.
I certainly don't know the answer here, but I do know that it takes more than this to stop people from sharing files on the internet. I also know that I still will buy music from artists I like, but it bothers me that quite a lot of the money doesn't find its way to the artists pockets...
[www.reverbnation.com]
Re: OT ; Pirate Bay four found guilty ,one year jail !
Posted by:
StonesTod
()
Date: April 17, 2009 21:01
auden-eg points are spot on. greed got the industry in this predicament. i have no sympathy for it.
where's my puffy shirt?
where's my puffy shirt?
Re: OT ; Pirate Bay four found guilty ,one year jail !
Posted by:
ROLLINGSTONE
()
Date: April 17, 2009 21:06
" 'tis a flamin' liberty me hearties!" cries Captain Teague Sparrow.
Re: OT ; Pirate Bay four found guilty ,one year jail !
Posted by:
cc
()
Date: April 17, 2009 21:29
Quote
The GreekQuote
cci choose to purchase and pay for my music and movies from retail stores .i do not like thieves .Quote
The Greeki agree .these criminals deserve more time in the graybar than one lousy year, and they should be liable for damages for there piracy.Quote
bv
I don't know much about the details here, but in general I think it is bad to steal from others. If I spend two years on a work and somebody just steal it that does not make sense to me. I am a software developer so I have developed a lot, and if all software was stolen then nobody would pay my bills. Same with muscicians I guess. Or design. Or art. Or your car. Is there a limit of what you can steal? If you can place it on internet then it is ok to steal it?
what's your stake in the matter, Greek? Why so angry?
fine, so do I. But why are you personally so eager to see them harshly punished? I still don't see what it is to you.
Re: OT ; Pirate Bay four found guilty ,one year jail !
Posted by:
Zack
()
Date: April 17, 2009 23:27
So are they going to have to shut down or what?
Re: OT ; Pirate Bay four found guilty ,one year jail !
Posted by:
bv
()
Date: April 18, 2009 00:12
Quote
mickijaggeroo
Let me explain: Piratebay only allows it´s users to post links to torrents, no torrents are hosted on their website. So, you could just as easily find links to torrents on Google or any other searchengine, so why not prosecute them?
By saying this, I´m not taking a stand, just explaining the facts.
If you make a web site with easy access to all people who are willing to drive you or work during a bank robbery then may be it is not criminal, but I would certainly not be a big fan of such a web site. These guys are bending the rules and they are simply making it easy to steal the work from performing artists. And... most performing artists are just poor, hard working, like you and me. Some people think of these guys like some sort of Robin Hood, but faact is they rob everybody, rich and poor.
Bjornulf
Re: OT ; Pirate Bay four found guilty ,one year jail !
Posted by:
Silver Dagger
()
Date: April 18, 2009 00:18
I think the major point that needs to be addressed here is that for too long record companies have been ripping the fans off by charging too much for product. The mark up is one of the biggest in the retail industry and yet we are supposed to feel sorry for them? It is the musicians who I feel sorry for...they are being ripped off by the record companies.
I don't know the way forward for the industry here but for the musicians they may be forced to play live more in order to make money and which in my opinion ain't a bad thing.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2009-04-18 09:37 by Silver Dagger.
I don't know the way forward for the industry here but for the musicians they may be forced to play live more in order to make money and which in my opinion ain't a bad thing.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2009-04-18 09:37 by Silver Dagger.
Re: OT ; Pirate Bay four found guilty ,one year jail !
Posted by:
Lorenz
()
Date: April 18, 2009 00:21
Quote
Silver Dagger
I think the major point that needs to be addressed here is that for too long record companies have been ripping the fans off for charging too much for product. The mark up is one of the biggest in the retail industry and yet we are supposed to feel sorry for them? It is the musicians who I feel sorry for...they are being ripped off by the record companies.
I don't know the way forward for the industry here but for the musicians they may be forced to play live more in order to make money and which in my opinion ain't a bad thing.
nicely summed up
Re: OT ; Pirate Bay four found guilty ,one year jail !
Posted by:
StonesTod
()
Date: April 18, 2009 00:26
silver dagger wins the gold medal in this debate.
bring prices down to something reasonable and the problem goes away. when cd's first were introduced into the marketplace, the profit margin was small, due to manufacturing costs. 25 years later the prices are about the same even though manufacturing costs are virtually non-existant. greed. period.
bring prices down to something reasonable and the problem goes away. when cd's first were introduced into the marketplace, the profit margin was small, due to manufacturing costs. 25 years later the prices are about the same even though manufacturing costs are virtually non-existant. greed. period.
Re: OT ; Pirate Bay four found guilty ,one year jail !
Posted by:
jamesfdouglas
()
Date: April 18, 2009 01:19
Re: OT ; Pirate Bay four found guilty ,one year jail !
Posted by:
vox12string
()
Date: April 18, 2009 06:25
This gets very murky when the musicians are dead, no relatives, yet the record companies still rake in the profits, I'm thinking specifically of the pre-war blues artists - who gets Bessie Smiths' royalties?
Another case is when the musician loses all rights to their music due to legal wranglings. John Fogerty is a good example & we are a forum dedicated to a group that has had that happen to them. I'm talking about the difference between the law & justice, yes it may have been legal for Klein to have control of all pre-1969 Stones material but it's certainly not just that he gets the profits whenever Satisfaction is played on the radio & not the Stones.
The comment about "defending the rights of creators" is laughably absurd coming from an industry that has had numerous examples of ripping off these same "creators". How long did it take for Arthur Crudup to receive any royalties for "That's Alright Mama", a massive hit for Elvis.
As a professional musician I understand the problems involved with theft of copyright material & by no means condone it, but when the recording industry thieves from us, the consumer, or treats us with disdain, & then cries "foul", I have no sympathy for them.
Two cases involving our own band. How many of us bought Bigger Bang when it first came out & then had to buy the Bigger Bang + Bonus DVD as it contained 2 more songs? No announcements that it was going to happen at the time.
The DVD of SAL wasn't released in Australia until 4 months after the rest of the world had it so what do I do? Do I politely sit back while you all rave about it & quietly wait until it's released here, I could have got a copy from Amazon within a week but then I'd have to play it on a player that has been illegally modified to play other zones. Or do I illegally download a copy so that I can enjoy it along with everyone else in the world until I can buy the real thing?
Yes, piracy is a problem & the rights of the copyright holder have to be protected but the recording industry is not a shining example of virtue to do this.
I notice that no-one is taking on the biggest copyright pirates in the world - the Chinese...
Another case is when the musician loses all rights to their music due to legal wranglings. John Fogerty is a good example & we are a forum dedicated to a group that has had that happen to them. I'm talking about the difference between the law & justice, yes it may have been legal for Klein to have control of all pre-1969 Stones material but it's certainly not just that he gets the profits whenever Satisfaction is played on the radio & not the Stones.
The comment about "defending the rights of creators" is laughably absurd coming from an industry that has had numerous examples of ripping off these same "creators". How long did it take for Arthur Crudup to receive any royalties for "That's Alright Mama", a massive hit for Elvis.
As a professional musician I understand the problems involved with theft of copyright material & by no means condone it, but when the recording industry thieves from us, the consumer, or treats us with disdain, & then cries "foul", I have no sympathy for them.
Two cases involving our own band. How many of us bought Bigger Bang when it first came out & then had to buy the Bigger Bang + Bonus DVD as it contained 2 more songs? No announcements that it was going to happen at the time.
The DVD of SAL wasn't released in Australia until 4 months after the rest of the world had it so what do I do? Do I politely sit back while you all rave about it & quietly wait until it's released here, I could have got a copy from Amazon within a week but then I'd have to play it on a player that has been illegally modified to play other zones. Or do I illegally download a copy so that I can enjoy it along with everyone else in the world until I can buy the real thing?
Yes, piracy is a problem & the rights of the copyright holder have to be protected but the recording industry is not a shining example of virtue to do this.
I notice that no-one is taking on the biggest copyright pirates in the world - the Chinese...
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