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Why does Jimmy Miller get "Produced by" credit when he wasn't even at the Muscle Shoals session?

And why no mention of the version they cut with Eric Clapton?

no mention where?

and the track as recorded at Muscle Shoals was far from complete. That's why there are those alternate versions. It wasn't "finished" until almost 2 years later, in the typical Stones method at the time. So Jimmy Miller certainly had the opportunity to produce later sessions on the song, even if he wasn't at the original tracking session.

That's all Charlie said - that Jimmy Miller wasn't there when they cut it. He didn't imply anything else. I got the impression he was amazed that they were even able to get anything on tape ha ha.

I get that Satisfaction and Jumpin' Jack were bigger singles etc I just think Brown Sugar is actually a better song - albeit slightly - than those. It's not about what sold more or anything, I just think Brown Sugar is their most immediate song. For instance, Satisfaction comes on the radio, people change the station. Jumpin' Jack comes on the radio, some people change the station. Brown Sugar comes on, people turn the radio up. That's been my experience.

I don't see they mystery in Jumpin' Jack when it's been talked about every time a guitar magazine interviews Keith whenever the Stones are about to go on the road; it's always the same story.

All three of those songs are timeless - I never turn the radio off on Satisfaction the riff STILL hooks me every time.

Of course it's been Clapton on the BS "Birthday" version!
It's common knowledge for many years! And btw. -Clapton mentioned it himself in his Autobio.

Mick told about the two versions and in my opinion he's absolutely right with their choice.

The E.C. version is great and hits you at the first listening.
But - similar to T. Dice - after some time the original studio version sneaks right into you and grabs you by the b . . . !
And you never get tired of those great classic Stones singles!

"For instance, Satisfaction comes on the radio, people change the station"

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No people I know.

Hell, I change it when it comes on. There's a lot of Stones songs that I'd rather not listen to on the radio anymore - because it's the same songs all the time. How many times can one hear JJF, SFTD, Satisfaction, Honky Tonk, Angie, Beast Of Burden, Miss You and Start Me Up? I'd prefer not to hear them! I'd rather hear something else. I've heard them enough! I still get a kick out of Brown Sugar though.

Arrrrrr-so that's why you call yourself skipstone !!!!!!!!



ROCKMAN

Ha ha! Yeah, I do like the skip button!

It's one of the songs that's bigger popularity-wise than any of the band members.
It's one of the tunes that this band will be remembered for, and deservedly so (others of that kind being for example: Jumpin Jack Flash, Satisfaction, Honky Tonk Women,etc.)

Still, it's not my all-time favourite of the Stones. They have made even better tunes that are somehow less popular.

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Still, it's not my all-time favourite of the Stones. They have made even better tunes that are somehow less popular.

I would agree. Maybe because it's been played to death on the radio, I don't get quite as big a charge out of Brown Sugar as I do from some of their other stuff from Sticky Fingers (like CYHMK, for example). Also, I would consider JJF or HTW as ultimately being greater classics than BS. Partly because they came before it and hence were fresher and more original.

But nonetheless, BS is an undeniable tour-de-force, showcasing the Stones magic.

Drew

I never and I mean never tire of the opening chords. For my money - the best intro of all time. Hard to believe a Stones' fan doesn't care for this one. It's like saying - I like Shakespeare, just not his plays.

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I never and I mean never tire of the opening chords. For my money - the best intro of all time. Hard to believe a Stones' fan doesn't care for this one. It's like saying - I like Shakespeare, just not his plays.

Not sure if you're referring to my post. If you are, you obviously didn't read it carefully.

Drew

The MEZ prefers Brown sugar over JJF. Both great tunes obviously! MEZ

I'm going to work on making a compilation based on the meanness of their songs. JJF, SFM and Brown Sugar are certainly the top contenders of the list.

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Has anyone seen this? I don't think I've ever heard the second one like this:

is mick taylor on this track? i hear two electric and one acoustic which i thought were all k.richards

taylor doesn't play the answering electric guitar during the intro? But it's true that keith plays the dominant role throughout the track.

as for "JJF" and "HTW"'s precedence--not by much. "Brown Sugar" was played at Altamont. They just dithered over the mix for 2 years, I guess knowing that they had a classic on their hands and wanting to get it perfect.

Is Keith's acoustic in open G too? That and his backing vocals are brilliant, that's why to me no live version comes close to the studio one.

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Is Keith's acoustic in open G too? That and his backing vocals are brilliant, that's why to me no live version comes close to the studio one.

Yes, Keith's backing vocals are great on the studio track. His high register was a thing of beauty.

I don't see anybody mentioning Bobby's sax solo - possibly the greatest sax solo in popular music. Maybe second to Jr. Walker & the All-Stars "Shotgun".

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Can you believe the Maysle's followed the band around for a month but managed not to be there at Muscle Shoals when they tracked "Brown Sugar"? Every time I watch that sequence ("Wild Horses" & "You Gotta Move") shot at Muscle Shoals in "Gimme Shelter" I get really pissed off. Would have loved to watch them cut "Brown Sugar." But then again, the footage is of them listening to stuff, not actually recording it. Why? Is it because they were there illegally? What a missed opportunity....

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taylor doesn't play the answering electric guitar during the intro? But it's true that keith plays the dominant role throughout the track.

as for "JJF" and "HTW"'s precedence--not by much. "Brown Sugar" was played at Altamont. They just dithered over the mix for 2 years, I guess knowing that they had a classic on their hands and wanting to get it perfect.

Probably also holding it back whilst waiting to untangle themselves from Decca and ABKCO.

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Maybe the greatest song of all time.

Jagger wrote an absolute diamond with this one - he never even claims credit for the G tuning riff etc - most believe it's Keith.

So Mick here is both humble and brilliant....

I'd love to know the full history of this song, now that you mention the open-g tuning element. It's acknowledged that Mick wrote it, but then Keith apparently worked on it and tweaked it. I wonder if that included transposing it from standard tuning into open-g, and/or whatever else.

Any buffs out there know the fiull history of this song, who did what to it to get it into the final form ?

tweaked...hmmm...

early version before keith got his hands on it... lacking the famous keith intro...

The key diff with BS versus jjf, gs, and to some degree the other warhorses is that this is the sound of the band standing in the same room playing at the same time -shit hot from the road. Most of the others were layered together piece by piece in the studio.

What a great track! Absolute classic. Open G tuning. Anyone with a guitar and an index finger can learn how to play it in 10 minutes. Never gets old. Highlight of show when crowd sings along ya ya ya wooo! I have to listen to it now.

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I don't see anybody mentioning Bobby's sax solo - possibly the greatest sax solo in popular music. Maybe second to Jr. Walker & the All-Stars "Shotgun".

Yes, great sax!

Other good ones:

Song On The Radio - Al Stewart
Turn The Page - Bob Seger (Alto Reed AKA Tommy Cardinal)
Baker Street - Gerry Rafferty
Whatever Gets You Thru The Night - John Lennon (BOBBY KEYES)

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