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You: "Don't have an ego"

Then immediately posts picture of your rig in a dick wagging contest.

Says someone who records, posts sample on soundcloud, talks about it on a forum, then doesn’t release it.



The reason I posted photos is because someone questioned whether I was a taper, as if that has anything to do with it, and often when criticism of tapers not releasing material comes along, I see comments from the tapers with things like “perhaps you’d like to try taping yourself? Pay for equipment, tickets and learn to tape”.

Well, I have.



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I just asked if you were a taper when you first posted. Is that a problem?

And great. You got gear and went out and tape. I haven't seen or heard any of your recordings, but like you said, not of any importance. I wish more folks would get gear, tickets, and learn to tape. Then you can decide what you want to do with your recordings.

Like I said, you do you, I'll do me.

EDIT: Except sell recordings. You can do what you want, but if you start profiting from then, then you deserve all the finger wagging coming your way.



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Buy 8x IEM receivers (at about $1,400 a pop). Show up eary in afternoon for soundcheck to try and identify feeds. Sneak in the 8x packs + recording equipment past security. Needs to be specialized multitrack recorder(s) as opposed to the normal stereo recorders that most AUD tapers run.

Wire everything up. Hit record during show, monitor to make sure everything is working ok and hope that your blood sacrifice to the taping gods in the morning was enough.

I’d also point out that while you’re claiming that you’d like others to get into taping, you’re posting misleading information about the expense and complexity to deter people from trying.

You don’t need 8 IEM packs. As you know, a single IEM receiver tuned to your choice of band member’s frequency produces a very good complete and fairly well balanced mix, and you can work on the levels very easily in post or use DemixPro to further balance.

A standard solid-state recorder or two is fine as well, you don’t need a ‘specialised’ multitrack recorder. You can run one for an IEM feed and top it up with an audience recording with another.

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Buy 8x IEM receivers (at about $1,400 a pop). Show up eary in afternoon for soundcheck to try and identify feeds. Sneak in the 8x packs + recording equipment past security. Needs to be specialized multitrack recorder(s) as opposed to the normal stereo recorders that most AUD tapers run.

Wire everything up. Hit record during show, monitor to make sure everything is working ok and hope that your blood sacrifice to the taping gods in the morning was enough.

I’d also point out that while you’re claiming that you’d like others to get into taping, you’re posting misleading information about the expense and complexity to deter people from trying.

You don’t need 8 IEM packs. As you know, a single IEM receiver tuned to your choice of band member’s frequency produces a very good complete and fairly well balanced mix, and you can work on the levels very easily in post or use DemixPro to further balance.

A standard solid-state recorder or two is fine as well, you don’t need a ‘specialised’ multitrack recorder. You can run one for an IEM feed and top it up with an audience recording with another.

I'm not taping IEM recordings myself but I heard that you don't even have to be in the audience. Near the stadium is enough. Some stadiums even have the parking lot nearby which might be the most comfortable solution if you can reach the signal from there.

Also you don't need recorders anymore. Any smartphone or tablet can serve as a multitrack recorder with an audio interface connected to it.

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Buy 8x IEM receivers (at about $1,400 a pop). Show up eary in afternoon for soundcheck to try and identify feeds. Sneak in the 8x packs + recording equipment past security. Needs to be specialized multitrack recorder(s) as opposed to the normal stereo recorders that most AUD tapers run.

Wire everything up. Hit record during show, monitor to make sure everything is working ok and hope that your blood sacrifice to the taping gods in the morning was enough.

I’d also point out that while you’re claiming that you’d like others to get into taping, you’re posting misleading information about the expense and complexity to deter people from trying.

It was not a particularly in-depth post. I saw your other post about taping information, which was still pretty light on details.

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You don’t need 8 IEM packs. As you know, a single IEM receiver tuned to your choice of band member’s frequency produces a very good complete and fairly well balanced mix, and you can work on the levels very easily in post or use DemixPro to further balance.

A standard solid-state recorder or two is fine as well, you don’t need a ‘specialised’ multitrack recorder. You can run one for an IEM feed and top it up with an audience recording with another.

Disagree. You can do A LOT with AI stemming, but it is dependent on the source mix. Some bands have fuller mixes, but if you end up with a one-sided guitar mix, there's nothing you can do in post to tease out something in the mix that isn't there.

You will not be able to get a single Mick feed to sound as good and balanced as a multiple-feed IEM matrix, but feel free to make another post that demonstrates your abiliies there. Just bring some examples this time.

And yes, you can do an audience + IEM mix on a four track recorder. I had two friends of mine doing exactly that rig last night in LA. It's a good way to get your feet into the IEM taping pool, and can mix in post. I find recording multiple IEM feeds with the intent of creating a mix, often with a friends' audience recording, yields a better result in general.



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I'm not taping IEM recordings myself but I heard that you don't even have to be in the audience. Near the stadium is enough. Some stadiums even have the parking lot nearby which might be the most comfortable solution if you can reach the signal from there.

Also you don't need recorders anymore. Any smartphone or tablet can serve as a multitrack recorder with an audio interface connected to it.

I can answer this.

Short answer is yes, you can record from outside in the parking lot.

Longer answer is it completely depends on the venue, orientation of the band's IEM antenna array, local RF, etc. You can increase your odds and overall reception by using bigger external antennas, RF amps, etc.

I do a fair number of shows just from the parking lot, and know a lot of local venues where that's a viable play. Some venues you can't get anything outside. It can be a lot of fun getting your gearhead on outside the venue.

And yes, you can use cell phones to record instead of a traditional recorder. I actually do that by plugging a six-input soundcoard into an iphone, which allows me to record six IEM feeds all on one rig. I still consider that a "recording device" but I think that's arguing over semantics. You can get a smaller setup that will allow you to record to phone or tablet with stereo. Sometimes its better to have a dedicated recording device you can turn on and hit record as opposed to a phone having a lot more variables. Lots of discussion about this on taperssection too, if you're interested.

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I'm not taping IEM recordings myself but I heard that you don't even have to be in the audience. Near the stadium is enough. Some stadiums even have the parking lot nearby which might be the most comfortable solution if you can reach the signal from there.

Also you don't need recorders anymore. Any smartphone or tablet can serve as a multitrack recorder with an audio interface connected to it.

I can answer this.

Short answer is yes, you can record from outside in the parking lot.

Longer answer is it completely depends on the venue, orientation of the band's IEM antenna array, local RF, etc. You can increase your odds and overall reception by using bigger external antennas, RF amps, etc.

I do a fair number of shows just from the parking lot, and know a lot of local venues where that's a viable play. Some venues you can't get anything outside. It can be a lot of fun getting your gearhead on outside the venue.

And yes, you can use cell phones to record instead of a traditional recorder. I actually do that by plugging a six-input soundcoard into an iphone, which allows me to record six IEM feeds all on one rig. I still consider that a "recording device" but I think that's arguing over semantics. You can get a smaller setup that will allow you to record to phone or tablet with stereo. Sometimes its better to have a dedicated recording device you can turn on and hit record as opposed to a phone having a lot more variables. Lots of discussion about this on taperssection too, if you're interested.

Thanks for the explanation!

Senecastj and daspysays: I just noticed this board is called buy/sell/trade. You should point out that error to bv and tell him to change the name. Just curious: were you guys hall.monitors in the fifth grade?

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Senecastj and daspysays: I just noticed this board is called buy/sell/trade. You should point out that error to bv and tell him to change the name. Just curious: were you guys hall.monitors in the fifth grade?

BV can decide how he wants to handle his own board. I do think its shameful to try and make a profit off recordings that were released for free by fans to fans, but that's me.

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Senecastj and daspysays: I just noticed this board is called buy/sell/trade. You should point out that error to bv and tell him to change the name. Just curious: were you guys hall.monitors in the fifth grade?

Do you ever leave your mommy's basement dude? Yes, the recordingsxare traded/shared. You may have no issues with buying and selling but also throw out baseless accusations of selling.

BV has more important things to do than babysit these boards. He actually attends the shows. What about you? You sit in your basement watching streams. Does that make you hard?.

I love listening to you talk shop Seneca, I always learn something new every time.
This attitude about either share or go away is so laughable. I know for a fact that you have always backed up your knowledge with proof and generosity.

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Senecastj and daspysays: I just noticed this board is called buy/sell/trade. You should point out that error to bv and tell him to change the name. Just curious: were you guys hall.monitors in the fifth grade?

Do you ever leave your mommy's basement dude? Yes, the recordingsxare traded/shared. You may have no issues with buying and selling but also throw out baseless accusations of selling.

BV has more important things to do than babysit these boards. He actually attends the shows. What about you? You sit in your basement watching streams. Does that make you hard?.

hahahahahahahahahaha

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You're funny. You complain about inflammatory rhetoric and then make up derisive acronyms for folks and personal insults. Pot calling the kettle black.

It's also disingenuous to lump everybody, tapers or non-tapers, together. There's lots of folks that are good continuing members, but there is a loud minority of folks driving the inflammatory discourse. Based on your post above, I would consider you a part of the problem not the solution. I'm sure you think the same of me, except I try very hard not to make any personal insults at people.

It's a crazy world. I'm feeling butthurt, maybe TravellinMan will invite me to his Mommy's Basement and we can eat cookies and drink milk. After school's out of course. Sorry about this my cynical/sarcastic side couldn't resist.



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Thanks a lot for your work!

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You're funny. You complain about inflammatory rhetoric and then make up derisive acronyms for folks and personal insults. Pot calling the kettle black.

It's also disingenuous to lump everybody, tapers or non-tapers, together. There's lots of folks that are good continuing members, but there is a loud minority of folks driving the inflammatory discourse. Based on your post above, I would consider you a part of the problem not the solution. I'm sure you think the same of me, except I try very hard not to make any personal insults at people.

A clinical assessment........(and, (if you insist on reading and taking it subjectively, I might add, a one off...........Not incessant like ..........

Not true - I think even though you are aslo, it seems, intransigent in your postion, you do seem to be more balanced and inclusive of others views even if you don't agree all the time - so fair enough.

Fair enough--I haven't scoured through your post history to see if it's a one-off or pattern of personal attacks. I know you've gotten into it with daspyknows, but I also know daspyknows can dish out the rhetoric too.

I think the Big Anal Tapers (BATS) comment was certainly uncalled for, and incorrectly lumping all tapers in the same group think. Which would be the same as if I were to say every Stones fan on IORR is XYZ.

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You're funny. You complain about inflammatory rhetoric and then make up derisive acronyms for folks and personal insults. Pot calling the kettle black.

It's also disingenuous to lump everybody, tapers or non-tapers, together. There's lots of folks that are good continuing members, but there is a loud minority of folks driving the inflammatory discourse. Based on your post above, I would consider you a part of the problem not the solution. I'm sure you think the same of me, except I try very hard not to make any personal insults at people.

Totally agree with you Seneca. These whining clowns only exist in Rolling Stones circles. Not other bands. Very little of it goes on with even many of the biggest other artists. So what is the problem? Tapers who tape lots of bands or asshats like BasementMan or Eddiebyword? As far as insulting a few butthurt people who insult me, If they can't take it, don't dish it.

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You're funny. You complain about inflammatory rhetoric and then make up derisive acronyms for folks and personal insults. Pot calling the kettle black.

It's also disingenuous to lump everybody, tapers or non-tapers, together. There's lots of folks that are good continuing members, but there is a loud minority of folks driving the inflammatory discourse. Based on your post above, I would consider you a part of the problem not the solution. I'm sure you think the same of me, except I try very hard not to make any personal insults at people.

Totally agree with you Seneca. These whining clowns only exist in Rolling Stones circles. Not other bands. Very little of it goes on with even many of the biggest other artists. So what is the problem? Tapers who tape lots of bands or asshats like BasementMan or Eddiebyword? As far as insulting a few butthurt people who insult me, If they can't take it, don't dish it.

Eh...I'll disagree that it's a RS specific issue. I've seen similar issues, just a different flavor with other bands. I fondly remember some crazy flamewars about tapers + mp3/flac + hoarding + etc in the Radiohead scene. I will say I don't see such a big movement towards co-opting youtube audio in another fanbase, but I don't think that's harming anybody--just nothing I have interest in.

This is also an issue with U2 fans by the way. Actually I believe it was there before here on IORR to my knowledge. Can't say about other bands though.

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This is also an issue with U2 fans by the way. Actually I believe it was there before here on IORR to my knowledge. Can't say about other bands though.

Oh I know all about the U2 scene. It's generally settled down with that fan group but still have the occasional flare up.

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This is also an issue with U2 fans by the way. Actually I believe it was there before here on IORR to my knowledge. Can't say about other bands though.

Oh I know all about the U2 scene. It's generally settled down with that fan group but still have the occasional flare up.

Initials are PV I believe or were at least.

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This is also an issue with U2 fans by the way. Actually I believe it was there before here on IORR to my knowledge. Can't say about other bands though.

Oh I know all about the U2 scene. It's generally settled down with that fan group but still have the occasional flare up.

Initials are PV I believe or were at least.

Yep Mr. Paulo Vetri. He's been banned on U2torrenrs and persona non grata on U2start. He's butchered a bunch of my iem mixes.

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Senecastj and daspysays: I just noticed this board is called buy/sell/trade. You should point out that error to bv and tell him to change the name. Just curious: were you guys hall.monitors in the fifth grade?

This forum used to be a pleasant 'place' to come before the BATS turned up (Big Anal Taper(s)), throwing their weight around telling everybody what's what whilst simultaneously helping to screw up the planet, gratuitously clocking up more air miles than a flight of swallows or migration of Monarch butterflies.

Hearing his adolescent discourse and language like "butthurt" and constant trumpian name calling coupled with crude descriptions of others, constant boasting etc, before he said last week he was 61, I honestly had him down as a spoilt, entitled rich kid from LA..

It takes all sorts I suppose, some, one can do without.

You got it all wrong but then again you get everything all wrong. Fortunately I will never run into you at a show because you just watch phone streams. You should get out more.

In response to Seneca's not that this goes on with other bands like U2, Radiohead, Clapton etc. I agree to a point. There are a few knuckleheads. With the Rolling Stones we have a dumpster full of knuckleheads who don't go to shows but are "real" fans who feel they are entitled to do what they want with the efforts of others to get pats on their back. Ol Eddie things finding youtube links and posting here makes him the man. Not adding any value in my opinion. Maybe if he attended a show and actually held a phone for two hours to film it I would have some respect but like Basement Man all he does is flap his gums. Come on man, go to a show and do something, anything.

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my god this fight has been going on for the entire tour

can one side or another just be the bigger person and stop taking the goddamn bait shut up about it and move on already

what is this accomplishing?

Hoserama, thank you for sharing your 7/10/24 IEM Stones mix. I'm familiar with your U2 (as well as Springsteen) IEM mixes (many of which are, IMHO stunning, to say the least). I know you put a lot of work into it, so I for one, appreciate it.