At Discogs an Acetate is to be found of Too much blood of 7.55

[www.discogs.com]

It should have been from the Art Collins collection.

My question is: Where is this one to be found on the 11 cd box Art Collins Treasures & More, and what length has this one there?

Thanks for all help,

Alex.

The original Art Collins tape that was shared here runs too fast. When I compare to the speed corrected DAC version, there are 2 versions of Too Much Blood with about 8:00 length. Maybe it's one of these but I can't say for sure.
There is also an acetate of She Was Hot on [www.discogs.com] which runs 6:09 and is packed together with the Too Much Blood one in a box. But the long She Was Hot is about 7 minutes long. So nothing matches here. It is very possible that these timings on the labels are not accurate.

01-01 Neighbours
01-02 Let's Go Steady Again
01-03 Tried To Talk Her Into It
01-04 Keep It Cool
01-05 Can't Find Love
01-06 Can't Find Love
01-07 Eliza
01-08 High School Girl
01-09 Stop That
01-10 All I Have To Do Is Dream (False Start)
01-11 All I Have To Do Is Dream (Full Track)
01-12 Piano Fragment
01-13 Loving You Is Sweeter Than Ever
01-14 Talk Is Cheap
01-15 What Am I Supposed To Do
01-16 Stick It Where It Hurts
02-01 Can't Cut The Mustard #1
02-02 Can't Cut The Mustard #2
02-03 Can't Cut The Mustard #3
02-04 Victor Hugo (Can't Cut The Mustard #4)
02-05 Keep It Cool #2
02-06 Wanna Hold You
02-07 She Was Hot (Country)
02-08 I Can't Find Love
02-09 What I Am Sayin' Is True (Part 1)
02-10 What I Am Sayin' Is True (Part 3)
02-11 What I Am Sayin' Is True (Part 4)
03-01 Keep It Cool #2
03-02 Wanna Hold You
03-03 Pretty Beat Up
03-04 Feel On Baby
03-05 Hang Fire
03-06 Black Limousine
03-07 No Use In Criying
03-08 Neighbours
03-09 Slave a.k.a. Vagina
03-10 Waiting On A Friend
03-11 Unknown Song Take #1
04-01 Unknown Song Take #2
04-02 Unknown Instrumental
04-03 Shirley (Wood)
04-04 Too Tough (Triple X)
04-05 It Must Be Hell
04-06 Undercover Of The Night
04-07 Tie You Up (The Pain Of Love)
04-08 She Was Hot
04-09 Feel On Baby
04-10 All The Way Down
04-11 Too Much Blood
04-12 Tried To Talk Her Into It
04-13 Too Much Blood
05-01 Pretty Beat Up (X'mas Issue)
05-02 Dog Shit
05-03 Keep It Cool #2
05-04 Gotta Know You (Wanna Hold You #1)
05-05 Wanna Hold You #2
05-06 All The Way Down
05-07 Gotta Know You
05-08 Rocker
05-09 Slinky
06-01 Can't Find Love
06-02 Heart Beat Take #1
06-03 Heart Beat Take #2
06-04 Heart Beat Take #3
06-05 Cooking Up a.k.a. What I Am Sayin' Is True
06-06 Something I Want
06-07 Eliza
06-08 Chris' Song
06-09 Part Of The Night a.k.a. Golden Caddy
06-10 Pink Pick
06-11 Pull Over
06-12 The Golden Mile
06-13 The Dog
06-14 Show Me A Woman
06-15 Melobar
07-01 Mick's Idea ?
07-02 Mick's Idea (incompl.)
07-03 Just My Imagination Take #1
07-04 Miss You
07-05 Lies Take #1
07-06 Munich Hilton Take #1
07-07 Munich Hilton Take #2
07-08 When You're Gone (Redeyes)
07-09 Hang Fire
07-10 Shattered
07-11 Stay Where You Are
07-12 Lies Take #2
07-13 Brown Leaves a.k.a. "Dancing Girls"
07-14 You Don't Have To Go
07-15 Unknown Song
07-16 Shame Shame Shame
07-17 Black Limousine
07-18 Unknown Song
07-19 Just My Imagination Take #2
07-20 Mick's Idea (In Your Hand)
07-21 Hideaway
08-01 Run And Take
08-02 Dance Mr. K (Still In Love)
08-03 Munich Hilton
08-04 Christine
08-05 Identification
08-06 Flirty
08-07 Discovery Bar
08-08 Everlasting My Love (Nanker Phelge)
08-09 Claudine
08-10 I Can See It (See Me)
08-11 We Had It All
08-12 Let's Go Steady
08-13 Aladdin Story
08-14 Dance Pt. 1
08-15 Think I'm Going Mad
08-16 She Was Hot (Withdrawn 12" Version)
09-01 Too Much Blood
09-02 Undercover Of The Night (Short Dub)
09-03 Undercover Of The Night (Long Dub)
09-04 Vagina (Slave)
09-05 Black Limousine
09-06 Waiting On A Friend #1
09-07 Waiting On A Friend #2
09-08 Start Me Up #2
09-09 Start Me Up #5
09-10 Hang Fire
09-11 Tops
09-12 Vagina (Slave) New Vocal
09-13 Vagina (Slave) Vocal #2
09-14 Vagina (Slave)
10-01 Waiting On A Friend
10-02 Black Limousine
10-03 Neighbours
10-04 Claudine
10-05 Think I'm Going Mad
10-06 Worried About You
10-07 Heaven
10-08 Hang Fire
10-09 Tops
10-10 No Use In Criying
10-11 Start Me Up
10-12 Too Much Blood #1
10-13 Too Much Blood #2
10-14 Too Much Blood #3
10-15 Too Much Blood #4
10-16 Too Much Blood #5
10-17 Too Much Blood #6
11-01 Too Much Blood #7
11-02 Too Much Blood #8
11-03 Too Much Blood #9
11-04 Too Much Blood #10
11-05 Too Much Blood #11
11-06 Too Much Blood #12
11-07 Too Much Blood #13
11-08 Too Much Blood #14
11-09 Too Much Blood #15

11CD box set that contains the rare session recordings owned by former publicity manager and vice president of Rolling Stones Records, Arthur Collins.

[www.discogs.com]

Thanks. I know of this great box. But which track Too much blood can be the socalled Acetate?

The Too Much Blood acetate version is not on the Art Collins box.

Which version is better VGP or EV? Can someone share EV box?

Not VGP but DAC is excellent and speed corrected. And the double and three time the same tracks are only included once. You can't go wrong with it.

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Not VGP but DAC is excellent and speed corrected. And the double and three time the same tracks are only included once. You can't go wrong with it.

yes, yes, DAC, still sometimes mixing those 2 Someday i will work on those since origin is lossy and Sectral Repair works magic on lossy files.
So everything is on DAC, no need for EV box?

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wiredallnight
Not VGP but DAC is excellent and speed corrected. And the double and three time the same tracks are only included once. You can't go wrong with it.

yes, yes, DAC, still sometimes mixing those 2 Someday i will work on those since origin is lossy and Sectral Repair works magic on lossy files.
So everything is on DAC, no need for EV box?

at least nothing really necessary ....

I am lovin' the shot of the band on the back cover. Boy, was that a dangerous band at the time?!!! 1978, I believe...

Has this 11 CD set been shared here? I have searched for it but no luck finding it... Anyone?

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CaptainAcid
Someday i will work on those since origin is lossy and Sectral Repair works magic on lossy files.

Excellent idea Cpt as we never got the files lossless, apart from a bunch of preview tracks which were leaked here to kill DAC releases in the nest.

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frenki09
I am lovin' the shot of the band on the back cover. Boy, was that a dangerous band at the time?!!! 1978, I believe...

Has this 11 CD set been shared here? I have searched for it but no luck finding it... Anyone?

WLR AC 783 The Art Collins Treasures and More 11 CD: [iorr.org]

The better choice however is DAC-200 - 204: [iorr.org]



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I am lovin' the shot of the band on the back cover. Boy, was that a dangerous band at the time?!!! 1978, I believe...

Has this 11 CD set been shared here? I have searched for it but no luck finding it... Anyone?

WLR AC 783 The Art Collins Treasures and More 11 CD: [iorr.org]

The better choice however is DAC-200 - 204: [iorr.org]

Thanks for the links. Why is the DAC a better choice?

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frenki09
I am lovin' the shot of the band on the back cover. Boy, was that a dangerous band at the time?!!! 1978, I believe...

Has this 11 CD set been shared here? I have searched for it but no luck finding it... Anyone?

WLR AC 783 The Art Collins Treasures and More 11 CD: [iorr.org]

The better choice however is DAC-200 - 204: [iorr.org]

Thanks for the links. Why is the DAC a better choice?

Because it's running at the correct speed.

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Someday i will work on those since origin is lossy and Sectral Repair works magic on lossy files.

Excellent idea Cpt as we never got the files lossless, apart from a bunch of preview tracks which were leaked here to kill DAC releases in the nest.

Can't say I remember that, got a link to that thread ?

I do remember a "pre-emptive" release in August 2017 of a few tracks but that was unrelated to the DAC release AFAIK.

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I have started working on DAC set, and it`s not all lossy, actually most of it is lossless.

Can someone tell me which tracks are repeted twice?......"wiredallnight" you might know that?

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CaptainAcid
I have started working on DAC set, and it`s not all lossy, actually most of it is lossless.

Can someone tell me which tracks are repeted twice?......"wiredallnight" you might know that?

On the DAC CDs nothing is repeated twice. But on the original Art Collins tapes.

I have found this on my hard disk. This is how the Art Collins tapes and tracks are originally titled. I have marked the identical tracks here in [...] behind the track title, e.g. [= 04-07] means this is the same track as 04-07.

Downloads\Art Collins Tapes\Part 04 'The Bulldogs (Undercover Demos)'
04-01 Wanna Hold You [= 04-07].flac
04-02 Pretty Beat Up [= 04-08].flac
04-03 Feel On Baby [= 04-09].flac
04-04 The Dog [= 12-10 = 16-04].flac
04-05 Keep It Cool (Part 2) [= 12-02].flac
04-06 Tie You Up (The Pain Of Love) [= 12-11].flac
04-07 Wanna Hold You [= 04-01].flac
04-08 Pretty Beat Up [= 04-02].flac
04-09 Feel On Baby [= 04-03].flac

Downloads\Art Collins Tapes\Part 05 'Gary Lyons - No Vocals - Paris
05-01 Hang Fire.flac
05-02 Black Limousine.flac
05-03 No Use In Crying.flac
05-04 Neighbours.flac
05-05 Slave.flac
05-06 Waiting On A Friend.flac
05-07 Unknown Jam #1.flac
05-08 Unknown Jam #2.flac
05-09 Unknown Jam #3.flac

Downloads\Art Collins Tapes\Part 06 'Undercover First Sequence -
06-01 Too Tough.flac
06-02 It Must Be Hell.flac
06-03 Undercover Of The Night.flac
06-04 Tie You Up (The Pain Of Love).flac
06-05 She Was Hot (Video Edit).flac
06-06 Feel On Baby.flac
06-07 All The Way Down.flac
06-08 Too Much Blood.flac
06-09 Tried To Talk Her Into It.flac
06-10 Too Much Blood.flac
06-11 Pretty Beat Up (Xmas Issue).flac
06-12 Big Truff.flac

Downloads\Art Collins Tapes\Part 12 'Early Undercover Tracks And
12-00 Keep It Cool (Part 1+2).flac
12-01 Keep It Cool (Part 1).flac
12-02 Keep It Cool (Part 2) [= 04-05].flac
12-03 Gotta Know You.flac
12-04 Wanna Hold You.flac
12-07 All The Way Down.flac
12-08 Gotta Know You.flac
12-10 The Dog [= 04-04 = 16-04].flac
12-11 Tie You Up (The Pain Of Love) [= 04-06].flac

Downloads\Art Collins Tapes\Part 15 'New Tracks 2-14-84 Side A'
15-01 Can't Find Love.flac
15-02 Heartbeat.flac
15-03 Heartbeat.flac
15-04 Heartbeat.flac
15-05 Cooking Up (What I Am Saying Is True).flac
15-06 Something I Want.flac
15-07 Eliza Upchink.flac
15-08 Chris' Song.flac
15-09 Part Of The Night (Golden Caddy).flac


Downloads\Art Collins Tapes\Part 16 'New Tracks 2-14-84 Side B'
16-01 Pink Pick.flac
16-02 Pull Over.flac
16-03 The Golden Mile.flac
16-04 The Dog [= 04-04 = 12-10].flac
16-05 Tie You Up (The Pain Of Love).flac
16-06 Tie You Up (The Pain Of Love).flac
16-07 Melobar.flac
16-08 Mick's Idea (In Your Hand).flac


Downloads\Art Collins Tapes\Part 17 'Rolling Stones (RW)'
17-01 Just My Imagination.flac
17-02 Miss You.flac
17-03 Lies.flac
17-04 Munich Hilton.flac
17-05 Munich Hilton.flac
17-06 When You're Gone (Redeyes).flac
17-07 Hang Fire.flac
17-08 Shattered.flac
17-09 Stay Where You Are.flac
17-10 Lies.flac
17-11 Brown Leaves.flac
17-12 You Don't Have To Go.flac
17-13 Blues Jam.flac
17-14 Shame Shame Shame.flac
17-15 Black Limousine.flac
17-16 Little T & A.flac


Downloads\Art Collins Tapes\Part 18 'New Tracks 2-14-84 - Mick's
18-01 Mick's Idea (In Your Hand).flac
18-02 Hideaway.flac
18-03 Run And Take.flac
18-04 Dance Mr. K (Still In Love).flac
18-05 Munich Hilton.flac
18-06 Christine.flac
18-07 Identification.flac
18-08 Flirty.flac
18-09 I'm A Little Mixed Up.flac


Downloads\Art Collins Tapes\Part 19 'Michael Geary Tape' Part 1
19-01 A Different Kind.flac
19-02 Claudine.flac
19-03 Get Yourself Together.flac
19-04 We Had It All.flac
19-05 Let's Go Steady.flac
19-06 So Divine (Aladdin Story).flac


Downloads\Art Collins Tapes\Part 19 'Michael Geary Tape' Part 2
19-07 Dance.flac
19-08 I Think I'm Going Mad.flac
19-09 She Was Hot.flac
19-10 Too Much Blood (Video Edit).flac
19-11 Undercover Of The Night (Short Dub).flac
19-12 Undercover Of The Night (Long Dub).flac


Downloads\Art Collins Tapes\Part 20 'RS Paris 1980'
20-01 Slave (Instrumental).flac
20-02 Black Limousine.flac
20-03 Waiting On A Friend.flac
20-04 Waiting On A Friend.flac
20-05 Start Me Up.flac
20-06 Start Me Up.flac
20-07 Neighbours.flac
20-08 Heaven.flac
20-09 Hang Fire.flac
20-10 Tops.flac
20-11 Slave (Vocal 1).flac
20-12 Slave (Vocal 2).flac


Downloads\Art Collins Tapes\Part 21 'LP Tracks 12-80'
21-01 Slave (Vocal 1 Complete).flac
21-02 Waiting On A Friend.flac
21-03 Black Limousine.flac
21-04 Neighbours.flac
21-05 Claudine.flac
21-06 I Think I'm Going Mad.flac
21-07 Worried About You.flac
21-08 Heaven.flac
21-09 Hang Fire.flac
21-10 Tops.flac
21-11 No Use In Crying.flac
21-12 Start Me Up.flac


Downloads\Art Collins Tapes\Part 22 'Too Much Blood - Master Dubs'
22-01 Too Much Blood (Master Dub I).flac
22-02 Too Much Blood (Master Dub II).flac
22-03 Too Much Blood (Master Dub III).flac
22-04 Too Much Blood (Master Dub IV).flac
22-05 Too Much Blood (Master Dub V).flac
22-06 Too Much Blood (Master Dub VI).flac
22-07 Too Much Blood (Master Dub VII).flac


Downloads\Art Collins Tapes\Part 23 'Too Much Blood - Remixen'
23-01 Too Much Blood (Remix I).flac
23-02 Too Much Blood (Remix II).flac
23-03 Too Much Blood (Remix III).flac
23-04 Too Much Blood (Remix IV).flac
23-05 Too Much Blood (Arthur Baker Remix).flac
23-06 Too Much Blood.flac
23-07 Too Much Blood (WBLS Mix 12'' A).flac
23-08 Too Much Blood (WBLS Mix 12'' B ).flac

Great idea ... but StonyRoad did only a few years ago already a fabulous project on the Undercover tracks: Undercover sessions project /FP, 8 discs.

[iorr.org]

Alex.

Thanks WAN

I don`t see We Had It All & Let's Go Steady on DAC release, do they belong in there?



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Thanks WAN

I don`t see We Had It All & Let's Go Steady on DAC release, do they belong in there?

These older songs from Part 19 'Michael Geary Tape' are not on the DAC CDs. They have been already released many times before.

I started this topic on the Acetate version of Too much blood with my question about this one. By the way: there seems also to be an Acetate of She was hot. So, once again, where can this/these Acetate(s) be found.

Well, if this is correct:

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Mack Jigger
The Too Much Blood acetate version is not on the Art Collins box.

you will only find these versions on the acetates themselves. At least I am not aware of any bootleg releases or other shares. Btw, I would like to hear them too...

Does the EV set have anything that the other Art Collins sets don't? I checked and it looks pretty much the same but I might be wrong.

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Does the EV set have anything that the other Art Collins sets don't? I checked and it looks pretty much the same but I might be wrong.

Yes, all the same.



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Thanks

Getting back to the topic of this thread, here are the pictures from discogs.
Does anyone know or have these two versions?

Thanks Wiredallnight. There is a relation to Art Collins (first image), so maybe somewhere among the Art Collins albums/tracks these versions can be found. Where ...? How can we idenitfy them?

Imo, none of these tracks can be found on the circulating AC Tapes. They are as rare as the Let It Bleed / Love In Vain or the You Can't Judge A Book By The Cover acetates. Most record collectors won't share their music, to keep them rare. Sometimes we get some snippets.

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alexander paul
Thanks Wiredallnight. There is a relation to Art Collins (first image), so maybe somewhere among the Art Collins albums/tracks these versions can be found. Where ...? How can we idenitfy them?

This is not necessarily the case. Art Collins was the boss of Rolling stones Records back then in the Eighties and the writing on the front of this box means only that the box was for him. I think it does not mean however that these two track versions are also on the tape we know as "Art Collins Tape".