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Re: Question about The Brussels Affair (Live 1973)
Posted by: nick1970 ()
Date: September 1, 2020 19:00

Hello everyone. I have a different question about Brussels affair. Is there a more cost effective way of getting hold of a copy? Although lots of people seem to own it already, I actually don't at the moment.... it seems to be 105 or 95 in pounds sterling for the super deluxe 3CD bluray and 4 lp versions of the reissued ghs..
Any information would be good thank you

Re: Question about The Brussels Affair (Live 1973)
Posted by: ironbelly ()
Date: September 1, 2020 21:04

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nick1970
Hello everyone. I have a different question about Brussels affair. Is there a more cost effective way of getting hold of a copy? Although lots of people seem to own it already, I actually don't at the moment.... it seems to be 105 or 95 in pounds sterling for the super deluxe 3CD bluray and 4 lp versions of the reissued ghs..
Any information would be good thank you
If you do not want physical product - head for qobuz or similar download/streaminig service.
[www.qobuz.com]
For physical releases
1. If you are not in hurry - wait till Black Friday or X-mas for sale. The price will drop for sure.
2. Amazon NL had promo campaign (or was it pricing error???). Deluxe was 19 € for a couple of days and at 30 € for another pair. I believe, some guys over here got multiple copies. So ask them or look at this option
[iorr.org]
3. Dig ebay or discogs for a copy of Japanese Marquee 71/Brussels 73 combo. It was possible to catch it half priced a year or so ago.
4. Wait and pray they will issue Brussels Affair separately at some point.

Re: Question about The Brussels Affair (Live 1973)
Posted by: nick1970 ()
Date: September 1, 2020 21:21

Thanks for the information, I will hope to look for a physical copy. The album goats head soup isn’t really a favourite but I am intrigued with some of the offers including 120 page book.
Anyway thanks for the info..

Re: Question about The Brussels Affair (Live 1973)
Posted by: bnewbury ()
Date: September 2, 2020 21:22

Both the London 9/9/73 and Brussels 10/17/73 first show are available in audience recordings. It's easy to figure out what is what from those. Besides the Brussels tracks, King Biscuit broadcast London's Gimme Shelter, Happy, Heartbreaker (They did not play this at the Brussels first show) and Street Fighting Man; these have been mixed in with the Brussels songs over the years creating confusion. KBFH also tossed in Brown Sugar from, I think Amsterdam.

Re: Question about The Brussels Affair (Live 1973)
Posted by: dcba ()
Date: September 2, 2020 22:06

Rotterdam?

Re: Question about The Brussels Affair (Live 1973)
Posted by: dph ()
Date: September 3, 2020 18:44

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Rotterdam?
Rotterdam 10/13/73. Distinguishing marker is that Mick says, "Whoo, arright" at the end. Strangely no other broadcast songs have surfaced from this concert.

Re: Question about The Brussels Affair (Live 1973)
Posted by: vancouver ()
Date: September 4, 2020 15:46

angie & starxxx also broadcasted from rotterdam.

Re: Question about The Brussels Affair (Live 1973)
Posted by: Erik_Snow ()
Date: September 4, 2020 16:00

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angie & starxxx also broadcasted from rotterdam.

No, they're from Newcastle, and they weren't broadcasted. Brown SUgar from Newcastle, as well. Not broadcasted.

Re: Question about The Brussels Affair (Live 1973)
Posted by: vancouver ()
Date: September 4, 2020 16:06

sorry


brown sugar angie & starxxx Newcastle 09-13-73

Re: Question about The Brussels Affair (Live 1973)
Posted by: Dorn ()
Date: September 4, 2020 16:22

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bnewbury
KBFH also tossed in Brown Sugar from, I think Amsterdam.

and a remixed version of BS Brussels 1st (more sax) at mid/end of the eighties
was that one also released in any of those quad mix releases ?

Re: Question about The Brussels Affair (Live 1973)
Posted by: BlueTurns2Grey ()
Date: September 4, 2020 17:30

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bnewbury
KBFH also tossed in Brown Sugar from, I think Amsterdam.

and a remixed version of BS Brussels 1st (more sax) at mid/end of the eighties
was that one also released in any of those quad mix releases ?

The Quad Mix includes BS with saxophone solo. Captain Acids download includes both versions.

Re: Question about The Brussels Affair (Live 1973)
Posted by: Dorn ()
Date: September 4, 2020 17:44

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KBFH also tossed in Brown Sugar from, I think Amsterdam.

and a remixed version of BS Brussels 1st (more sax) at mid/end of the eighties
was that one also released in any of those quad mix releases ?

The Quad Mix includes BS with saxophone solo. Captain Acids download includes both versions.

but L`Affaire De Bruxelles_AcidProject_056 shows BS only once

Re: Question about The Brussels Affair (Live 1973)
Posted by: ikikmanuel4 ()
Date: September 4, 2020 18:00

I have the download Goats Head Soup 2020 and this is what Disc 3 looks like:

Downloads\The Rolling Stones - 1973 - Goats Head Soup (2020 Deluxe) [FLAC]\Disc 3\
=======================
001. 01 Brown Sugar (Live - Forest National Arena Brussels 171073).flac
002. 02 Gimme Shelter (Live - Forest National Arena Brussels 171073).flac
003. 03 Happy (Live - Forest National Arena Brussels 171073).flac
004. 04 Tumbling Dice (Live - Forest National Arena Brussels 171073).flac
005. 05 Star Star (Live - Forest National Arena Brussels 171073).flac
006. 06 Dancing With Mr D (Live - Forest National Arena Brussels 171073).flac
007. 07 Doo Doo Doo Doo Doo (Heartbreaker) (Live - Forest National Arena Brussels 171073).flac
008. 08 Angie (Live - Forest National Arena Brussels 171073).flac
009. 09 You Can't Always Get What You Want (Live - Forest National Arena Brussels 171073).flac
010. 10 Midnight Rambler (Live - Forest National Arena Brussels 171073).flac
011. 11 Honky Tonk Women (Live - Forest National Arena Brussels 171073).flac
012. 12 All Down The Line (Live - Forest National Arena Brussels 171073).flac
013. 13 Rip This Joint (Live - Forest National Arena Brussels 171073).flac
014. 14 Jumpin' Jack Flash (Live - Forest National Arena Brussels 171073).flac
015. 15 Street Fighting Man (Live - Forest National Arena Brussels 171073).flac

Re: Question about The Brussels Affair (Live 1973)
Posted by: BlueTurns2Grey ()
Date: September 4, 2020 18:11

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KBFH also tossed in Brown Sugar from, I think Amsterdam.

and a remixed version of BS Brussels 1st (more sax) at mid/end of the eighties
was that one also released in any of those quad mix releases ?

The Quad Mix includes BS with saxophone solo. Captain Acids download includes both versions.

but L`Affaire De Bruxelles_AcidProject_056 shows BS only once

There is also a bonus !

Re: Question about The Brussels Affair (Live 1973)
Posted by: BlueTurns2Grey ()
Date: September 4, 2020 18:16

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ikikmanuel4
I have the download Goats Head Soup 2020 and this is what Disc 3 looks like:

Downloads\The Rolling Stones - 1973 - Goats Head Soup (2020 Deluxe) [FLAC]\Disc 3\
=======================
001. 01 Brown Sugar (Live - Forest National Arena Brussels 171073).flac
002. 02 Gimme Shelter (Live - Forest National Arena Brussels 171073).flac
003. 03 Happy (Live - Forest National Arena Brussels 171073).flac
004. 04 Tumbling Dice (Live - Forest National Arena Brussels 171073).flac
005. 05 Star Star (Live - Forest National Arena Brussels 171073).flac
006. 06 Dancing With Mr D (Live - Forest National Arena Brussels 171073).flac
007. 07 Doo Doo Doo Doo Doo (Heartbreaker) (Live - Forest National Arena Brussels 171073).flac
008. 08 Angie (Live - Forest National Arena Brussels 171073).flac
009. 09 You Can't Always Get What You Want (Live - Forest National Arena Brussels 171073).flac
010. 10 Midnight Rambler (Live - Forest National Arena Brussels 171073).flac
011. 11 Honky Tonk Women (Live - Forest National Arena Brussels 171073).flac
012. 12 All Down The Line (Live - Forest National Arena Brussels 171073).flac
013. 13 Rip This Joint (Live - Forest National Arena Brussels 171073).flac
014. 14 Jumpin' Jack Flash (Live - Forest National Arena Brussels 171073).flac
015. 15 Street Fighting Man (Live - Forest National Arena Brussels 171073).flac

This is a mix from 1st show (track 1, 10, 15) and 2nd show (track 2 ,3, 4, 5, 6, 7 [MT solo mixed from 1st show], 8, 9, 11, 12, 13, 14) and with a diffrent sound mix, compared to Captain Acids work which is only from the 1st show.



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Re: Question about The Brussels Affair (Live 1973)
Posted by: ironbelly ()
Date: September 4, 2020 18:43

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I have the download Goats Head Soup 2020 and this is what Disc 3 looks like:

Downloads\The Rolling Stones - 1973 - Goats Head Soup (2020 Deluxe) [FLAC]\Disc 3\
=======================
001. 01 Brown Sugar (Live - Forest National Arena Brussels 171073).flac
002. 02 Gimme Shelter (Live - Forest National Arena Brussels 171073).flac
003. 03 Happy (Live - Forest National Arena Brussels 171073).flac
004. 04 Tumbling Dice (Live - Forest National Arena Brussels 171073).flac
005. 05 Star Star (Live - Forest National Arena Brussels 171073).flac
006. 06 Dancing With Mr D (Live - Forest National Arena Brussels 171073).flac
007. 07 Doo Doo Doo Doo Doo (Heartbreaker) (Live - Forest National Arena Brussels 171073).flac
008. 08 Angie (Live - Forest National Arena Brussels 171073).flac
009. 09 You Can't Always Get What You Want (Live - Forest National Arena Brussels 171073).flac
010. 10 Midnight Rambler (Live - Forest National Arena Brussels 171073).flac
011. 11 Honky Tonk Women (Live - Forest National Arena Brussels 171073).flac
012. 12 All Down The Line (Live - Forest National Arena Brussels 171073).flac
013. 13 Rip This Joint (Live - Forest National Arena Brussels 171073).flac
014. 14 Jumpin' Jack Flash (Live - Forest National Arena Brussels 171073).flac
015. 15 Street Fighting Man (Live - Forest National Arena Brussels 171073).flac

This is a mix from 1st show (track 1, 7, 9, 10, 15) and 2nd show (track 2 ,3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 11, 12, 13, 14) and with a diffrent sound mix, compared to Captain Acids work which is only from the 1st show.
No, no, no, no, no. Track 7, Heartbreaker was not played during afternoon show!
Official release has only tracks 1, 10 and 15 from the 1st (afternoon) show and Taylor's solo for track 12 from the 1st show edited in track from the 2nd show.
All other tracks are from the 2nd show. This is common knowledge and it was discussed multiple times since this version of Brussels Affair appeared as digital download on November 17, 2011.
[www.rollingstonesnet.com]

Re: Question about The Brussels Affair (Live 1973)
Posted by: BlueTurns2Grey ()
Date: September 4, 2020 19:18

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ikikmanuel4
I have the download Goats Head Soup 2020 and this is what Disc 3 looks like:

Downloads\The Rolling Stones - 1973 - Goats Head Soup (2020 Deluxe) [FLAC]\Disc 3\
=======================
001. 01 Brown Sugar (Live - Forest National Arena Brussels 171073).flac
002. 02 Gimme Shelter (Live - Forest National Arena Brussels 171073).flac
003. 03 Happy (Live - Forest National Arena Brussels 171073).flac
004. 04 Tumbling Dice (Live - Forest National Arena Brussels 171073).flac
005. 05 Star Star (Live - Forest National Arena Brussels 171073).flac
006. 06 Dancing With Mr D (Live - Forest National Arena Brussels 171073).flac
007. 07 Doo Doo Doo Doo Doo (Heartbreaker) (Live - Forest National Arena Brussels 171073).flac
008. 08 Angie (Live - Forest National Arena Brussels 171073).flac
009. 09 You Can't Always Get What You Want (Live - Forest National Arena Brussels 171073).flac
010. 10 Midnight Rambler (Live - Forest National Arena Brussels 171073).flac
011. 11 Honky Tonk Women (Live - Forest National Arena Brussels 171073).flac
012. 12 All Down The Line (Live - Forest National Arena Brussels 171073).flac
013. 13 Rip This Joint (Live - Forest National Arena Brussels 171073).flac
014. 14 Jumpin' Jack Flash (Live - Forest National Arena Brussels 171073).flac
015. 15 Street Fighting Man (Live - Forest National Arena Brussels 171073).flac

This is a mix from 1st show (track 1, 7, 9, 10, 15) and 2nd show (track 2 ,3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 11, 12, 13, 14) and with a diffrent sound mix, compared to Captain Acids work which is only from the 1st show.
No, no, no, no, no. Track 7, Heartbreaker was not played during afternoon show!
Official release has only tracks 1, 10 and 15 from the 1st (afternoon) show and Taylor's solo for track 12 from the 1st show edited in track from the 2nd show.
All other tracks are from the 2nd show. This is common knowledge and it was discussed multiple times since this version of Brussels Affair appeared as digital download on November 17, 2011.
[www.rollingstonesnet.com]

You are right, Heartbreaker & YCACWYW are from 2nd show and the MT solo on track 12 is a mix from 1st and 2nd show. I'll change that in my post. Sorry.



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Re: Question about The Brussels Affair (Live 1973)
Posted by: Dorn ()
Date: September 5, 2020 09:55

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KBFH also tossed in Brown Sugar from, I think Amsterdam.

and a remixed version of BS Brussels 1st (more sax) at mid/end of the eighties
was that one also released in any of those quad mix releases ?

The Quad Mix includes BS with saxophone solo. Captain Acids download includes both versions.

but L`Affaire De Bruxelles_AcidProject_056 shows BS only once

There is also a bonus !

tks for the hint thumbs up

Re: Question about The Brussels Affair (Live 1973)
Posted by: exilestones ()
Date: September 6, 2020 16:28

Sorry if I'm slow. Is the below list correct?

Downloads\The Rolling Stones - 1973 - Goats Head Soup (2020 Deluxe) [FLAC]\Disc 3\
=======================
001. 01 Brown Sugar (Live - Forest National Arena Brussels 171073).flac 1st Show
002. 02 Gimme Shelter (Live - Forest National Arena Brussels 171073).flac 2nd show
003. 03 Happy (Live - Forest National Arena Brussels 171073).flac 2nd show
004. 04 Tumbling Dice (Live - Forest National Arena Brussels 171073).flac 2nd show
005. 05 Star Star (Live - Forest National Arena Brussels 171073).flac 2nd show
006. 06 Dancing With Mr D (Live - Forest National Arena Brussels 171073).flac 2nd show
007. 07 Doo Doo Doo Doo Doo (Heartbreaker) (Live - Forest National Arena Brussels 171073).flac 1st Show
008. 08 Angie (Live - Forest National Arena Brussels 171073).flac 2nd show
009. 09 You Can't Always Get What You (Live - Forest National Arena Brussels 171073).flac 2nd show
010. 10 Midnight Rambler (Live - Forest National Arena Brussels 171073).flac 1st Show
011. 11 Honky Tonk Women (Live - Forest National Arena Brussels 171073).flac 2nd show
012. 12 All Down The Line (Live - Forest National Arena Brussels 171073).flac 2nd show
013. 13 Rip This Joint (Live - Forest National Arena Brussels 171073).flac 2nd show
014. 14 Jumpin' Jack Flash (Live - Forest National Arena Brussels 171073).flac 2nd show
015. 15 Street Fighting Man (Live - Forest National Arena Brussels 171073).flac” 1st Show

solo for track 12 from the 1st show edited in track from the 2nd show.

the MT solo on track 12 is a mix from 1st and 2nd show.

Thanks to all who contributed.

Re: Question about The Brussels Affair (Live 1973)
Posted by: Erik_Snow ()
Date: September 6, 2020 18:00

Heartbreaker; 2nd show

Re: Question about The Brussels Affair (Live 1973)
Posted by: gonzalo76 ()
Date: September 7, 2020 05:13

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*** By the way, Nico Zentgraf wrote on his fabulous website, that MT's guitar solo in All Down The Line was taken from the 1st show...


Good Night,

Blue

Yes, because the original guitar solo from the 2nd show as it can be heard on Back To The Graveyard is a bit failed...

Well, what the hell happened there!?!?! Did he just stop playing? Haha, bizarre.

A side question, why do some bootlegs have the sound shifting sides of the stereo spectrum? Richards' guitar was all over the place.

It was broadcasted in quadrophonic sound and the rear channel mix was diffrent to the front channels. So radio stations and bootleggers might have mixed it in diffrent ways to stereo.

Interesting. I had no idea this was broadcast in Quad. Thanks.


More infos about the quad version (3 CD set), KBFH King Biscuit Flower Hour, Discrete 4-Channel Quad Reel pre-FM, Broadcast Date: 29th September 1974 : [www.giginjapan.com]

Here it is
[we.tl]
Good for a week spinning smiley sticking its tongue out

Any chance of a reup please?!



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Re: Question about The Brussels Affair (Live 1973)
Posted by: exilestones ()
Date: September 7, 2020 17:18

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Erik_Snow
Heartbreaker; 2nd show

THANKS

Re: Question about The Brussels Affair (Live 1973)
Posted by: exilestones ()
Date: September 7, 2020 17:26

Did anyone ever release a Wembley '73 ONLY soundboard or is Wembley always mixed with Brussels on all of the boots?

The Wembley '73 soundboard of Mr D came out years later from the original radio broadcasts. Was the Wembley Mr D on a radio broadcast?

Re: Question about The Brussels Affair (Live 1973)
Posted by: keithpinkmoon ()
Date: September 9, 2020 11:02

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exilestones
Did anyone ever release a Wembley '73 ONLY soundboard or is Wembley always mixed with Brussels on all of the boots?

The Wembley '73 soundboard of Mr D came out years later from the original radio broadcasts. Was the Wembley Mr D on a radio broadcast?

The Wembley Mr D was broadcast on 1973-10-18 Radio Tele Luxembourg

[www.nzentgraf.de]

Re: Question about The Brussels Affair (Live 1973)
Posted by: Erik_Snow ()
Date: September 9, 2020 11:22

Midnight Rambler is the last SBD recording to come from Wembley, but it's more hissy than Mr. D. Both in mono

Re: Question about The Brussels Affair (Live 1973)
Posted by: dcba ()
Date: September 9, 2020 14:32

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Midnight Rambler is the last SBD recording to come from Wembley, but it's more hissy than Mr. D. Both in mono

And while the Wembley "Mr.D" is better than the one from Brussels, MR from Wembley is quite inferior to the one from Brussels (imo).

Re: Question about The Brussels Affair (Live 1973)
Posted by: Erik_Snow ()
Date: September 9, 2020 17:31

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Midnight Rambler is the last SBD recording to come from Wembley, but it's more hissy than Mr. D. Both in mono

And while the Wembley "Mr.D" is better than the one from Brussels, MR from Wembley is quite inferior to the one from Brussels (imo).

Well, ALL Midnight Ramblers throughout their career comes short to Brussels, so that shouldn't be a surprise....!

Dieter Hoffmann refers to the London Rambler as the "oxygen mask version"....while London Tumbling Dice is "Ain't Security" version.

Re: Question about The Brussels Affair (Live 1973)
Posted by: exilestones ()
Date: September 11, 2020 18:32

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Did anyone ever release a Wembley '73 ONLY soundboard or is Wembley always mixed with Brussels on all of the boots?

The Wembley '73 soundboard of Mr D came out years later from the original radio broadcasts. Was the Wembley Mr D on a radio broadcast?

The Wembley Mr D was broadcast on 1973-10-18 Radio Tele Luxembourg

[www.nzentgraf.de]



Thanks. I was wondering where Wembley Mr D came from.

Re: Question about The Brussels Affair (Live 1973)
Posted by: exilestones ()
Date: September 11, 2020 18:36

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Midnight Rambler is the last SBD recording to come from Wembley, but it's more hissy than Mr. D. Both in mono

And while the Wembley "Mr.D" is better than the one from Brussels, MR from Wembley is quite inferior to the one from Brussels (imo).

Where do I find the Wembley Rambler? Thanks very much.

We don’t have too many Wembley tracks. We need a list of the Wembley soundboards.

Re: Question about The Brussels Affair (Live 1973)
Posted by: Erik_Snow ()
Date: September 11, 2020 19:18

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Midnight Rambler is the last SBD recording to come from Wembley, but it's more hissy than Mr. D. Both in mono

And while the Wembley "Mr.D" is better than the one from Brussels, MR from Wembley is quite inferior to the one from Brussels (imo).

Where do I find the Wembley Rambler? Thanks very much.

We don’t have too many Wembley tracks. We need a list of the Wembley soundboards.

6 tracks in SBD.

4 songs in perfect SBD stereo; Happy, Gimme Shelter, Heartbreaker and Street Fighting Man

very good mono SBD: Mr. D and Rambler.

Rest is available from AUD recordings. From VG to fair.

Get the midnrambler upload of the entire 09/09 show from best possible sources!



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