The coming months I wanna buy a couple of DAC cd's from the '81 tour, 'cause you can't buy them on other (cheaper!)labels.

Can annybody tell me what is the difference with the Pontiac releases?

There's a four cd with both concerts and there are two double cd's with the same concerts (30-11 and 01-12-'81), all are soundboards.

Going to a gogo DAC 034 4CD
Mission direct hits DAC 069 2CD
Pontiac's Rebellion DAC 076 2CD

I 've looked for information about these releases, but I don't get the same answeres/conclusions,
so I'm not sure which versions are the best and it's way too expensive to buy them all.

Going To A Go Go (DAC) comes from a muddy mono SBD source
Mission Direct Hits (DAC) and Pontiacs Rebellion (DAC) comes from an EX stereo SBD source; HOWEVER....DAC has added a "roof of white noise" over the recording, to make nobody notice that this comes from an MP3 source!
If you are over 55....you will not hear this "roof of noise". But *I* can hear it. It makes the recording impossible to enjoy.

I would recommend that you just listen to these 2 shows at "Wolfgangs Vaults" (which is where DAC copied it from).

And IF you want to buy "bootlegs".....then get "Take The Longview" (White Widow), "Union Jack Flash" (White Widow) and "Live at Silverdome" (IMP)

The DAC releases really suck for these 2 shows.

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If you are over 55....you will not hear this "roof of noise". But *I* can hear it. It makes the recording impossible to enjoy..

Hey, I'm under 55 (not much though...) and can't hear the noise anymore... Do I have to be worried now...?

Thanks for your explanation, Erik_Snow!

So, what you're realy saying is: Don't buy it at all (from DAC)!
Did they realy put a lot of noise in the recording(I'm 44, so that's not good!)? That's crazy!

Fortunately 'cause all those sb-recordings are the same kind of recordings, without audience and without any ambience, it doesn't realy matter if you are listening to a recording of N.Y. or Frisco, or whatever city; it sounds all the same, with the same setlist.

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If you are over 55....you will not hear this "roof of noise". But *I* can hear it. It makes the recording impossible to enjoy..

Hey, I'm under 55 (not much though...) and can't hear the noise anymore... Do I have to be worried now...?

don`t worry, it only means that you are over it and now can enjoy *every* stones recording ;-)

DAC 069 is the best boot from 1981! It seems to be a mix of the best sources for this hot show in Pontiac. I think they spliced in the King Biscuit tracks with Wolfgangs Vault release. The King Biscuit tracks sound better than than the official King Biscuit CDs. ExileStones

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If you are over 55....you will not hear this "roof of noise". But *I* can hear it. It makes the recording impossible to enjoy.

So, only 2 more months to go and I can enjoy these
(but we all know that age has nothing to do with ones hearing, at least not 55! Although, being a Stones fan for 42 years with a lot of concerts behind me, I could probably already have bought those 20 years ago without hearing it anymore, LOL !!!)

Chris from Belgium

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If you are over 55....you will not hear this "roof of noise". But *I* can hear it. It makes the recording impossible to enjoy.

So, only 2 more months to go and I can enjoy these
(but we all know that age has nothing to do with ones hearing, at least not 55! Although, being a Stones fan for 42 years with a lot of concerts behind me, I could probably already have bought those 20 years ago without hearing it anymore, LOL !!!)

Meanwhile "55" was just a guess, and different from person to person;
I think you misunderstood what I meant, there.

Because it's not a matter of not having "worse hearing" (like you speak about), but about "not hearing the higher frequenzies". It's a fact that once you reach 20-25, you loose more and more of your ability to hear high frequenizies for every year that goes by

ANyway, I hear an awful "high frequenze sound" on this DAC release, which makes me unable to enjoy it. Other people don't hear this. But I got a damn good hearing (I've done medical hearing-tests), and I'm not...."old" - yet



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If you are over 55....you will not hear this "roof of noise". But *I* can hear it. It makes the recording impossible to enjoy.

So, only 2 more months to go and I can enjoy these
(but we all know that age has nothing to do with ones hearing, at least not 55! Although, being a Stones fan for 42 years with a lot of concerts behind me, I could probably already have bought those 20 years ago without hearing it anymore, LOL !!!)

Meanwhile "55" was just a guess, and different from person to person;
I think you misunderstood what I meant, there.

Because it's not a matter of not having "worse hearing" (like you speak about), but about "not hearing the higher frequenzies". It's a fact that once you reach 20-25, you loose more and more of your ability to hear high frequenizies for every year that goes by

ANyway, I hear an awful "high frequenze sound" on this DAC release, which makes me unable to enjoy it. Other people don't hear this. But I got a damn good hearing (I've done medical hearing-tests), and I'm not...."old" - yet

Erik


Curse your rotten sort of young ears.
I still hear it at 41!

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Erik_Snow
If you are over 55....you will not hear this "roof of noise". But *I* can hear it. It makes the recording impossible to enjoy.

So, only 2 more months to go and I can enjoy these
(but we all know that age has nothing to do with ones hearing, at least not 55! Although, being a Stones fan for 42 years with a lot of concerts behind me, I could probably already have bought those 20 years ago without hearing it anymore, LOL !!!)

Meanwhile "55" was just a guess, and different from person to person;
I think you misunderstood what I meant, there.

Because it's not a matter of not having "worse hearing" (like you speak about), but about "not hearing the higher frequenzies". It's a fact that once you reach 20-25, you loose more and more of your ability to hear high frequenizies for every year that goes by

ANyway, I hear an awful "high frequenze sound" on this DAC release, which makes me unable to enjoy it. Other people don't hear this. But I got a damn good hearing (I've done medical hearing-tests), and I'm not...."old" - yet

Eric, just making fun :-)

Chris from Belgium

Thanks for all the posts and especially Eric_Snow for the info.

Yesterday I bought the two cd's "Take The Longview" and "Union Jack Flash" (White Widow) for the best Pontiac '81 cd's.

It was great to see and collect all these 81 soundboard releases.
If only subsequent tours get the same treatment.
I was at this Pontiac show- what a blast.
81 was the last tour before it all went corporate for me