Hi Stones Fanatics
This is Acid Project Vol 04.I wanted to deal with those outtakes for a long time, and than Midnrambler posted his compilation of outtakes from his silver disc`s, on HC. So i took his compilation as a source ( with his blessing ). Every track was speed, phase and level corrected and EQ-ed.
I have excluded track 11a ( Criss Cross Ia ) because it is the same as 11 ( but it is in a separate folder). [Well it seems it is different, after all, with sax that is not present on other version]
I have made the new checksum and all with TLH.
Mr.D made another great artwork[ If you wanna burn this to CD , burn first 12 tracks on first. Add the rest on disc 02 plus track 11a, as bonus. Mr D have adopted inlay artwork for double disc] and also suggested we add Wind Call [or Wind Mill] ( some people claim that song does not belong here, but it is somewhere between GHS and IORNR, and it fits nicely on the end so we have put it here )
January 2012
Captain Acid
Enjoy!


By captain_acid at 2012-01-09


By captain_acid at 2012-01-09


HERE ARE THE ORIGINAL NOTES BY MIDNRAMBLER


ROLLING STONES
GOATS HEAD SOUP OUTTAKES COLLECTION

25th - 30th November & 6th - 21st December 1972: Kingston, Jamaica, Dynamic Sound Studios. Producer: Jimmy Miller. Sound engineer: Andy Johns (with Carlton Lee). Additional musicians: Nicky Hopkins (p; first three weeks)/Billy Preston (keyb; last week)

28th May 1973 onwards: London, Island Recording Studios. Mixing and overdubbing for the album ‘Goat’s Head Soup’ (partially without KR). Producer: Jimmy Miller. Sound engineer: Andy Johns (with Howard Kilgour). Additional musicians: Nicky Hopkins, Billy Preston, Bobby Keys, Jim Horn, Rebop, Pascal, Ray Cooper, Jim Price, Nicky Harrison, Chuck Finley and Jimmy Miller

Taken from the CDs:

- Fast Talking (VGP) (my silver)
- Acetates (Midnight Beat) (my silver)
- Lonely At The Top/Nasty Habits (VGP) (my silver)
- Reel Time Trip (Scorpio) (download from HC/IORR)
- "Separately" taken from silkcut1978's vinyl rip of "Nasty Habits"


01 Dancing With Mr. D III
- early extended version

02 100 Years Ago II
- Nicky Hopkins on piano, Billy Preston on clavinet, Jimmy Miller on percussion; slightly longer differently mixed acetate-version

03 Angie
- different mix of album version

04 Silver Train I
- Ian Stewart on piano, Jimmy Miller on percussion; early version without harmonica

05 Silver Train II
- Ian Stewart on piano, Jimmy Miller on percussion; differently mixed acetate-version

06 Silver Train III
- Ian Stewart on piano, Jimmy Miller on percussion; different mix of album version

07 Hide Your Love
- Jimmy Miller on bass drum, Bobby Keys on sax, Rebop on congas; differently mixed (more guitar, less piano) acetate-version

08 Winter
- Nicky Hopkins on piano, strings arranged by Nicky Harrison; different mix of album version

09 Tops
- instrumental

10 Waiting On A Friend I
- Nicky Hopkins on piano, Jimmy Miller on percussion; "Waiting On My Friend" version

11 Criss Cross I
11a Criss Cross Ia*
- basic track, without sax

12 Criss Cross II
- first version with Bobby Keys on sax (in the outro)

13 Criss Cross III
- with Bobby Keys on sax from early on

14 Criss Cross IV
- edited version II with more (Bobby Keys on) sax and vocal overdubs; used as soundtrack for the Japanese movie Metamorphoses

15 Fast Talking
- Nicky Hopkins on piano

16 You Should Have Seen Her Ass
-Nicky Hopkins on piano

17 Separately
- Nicky Hopkins on piano; Jimmy Miller on percussion; instrumental

* Im my and other fan's opinion Midnight Beat's "Acetate" contains twice the same version of "Criss Cross I". Nevertheless I included both, judge yourself if you can hear any difference.


download
new link, working:
[hotfile.com]

ARTWORK FOR A DOUBLE CD
[hotfile.com]

level corrected bonus track 11a Criss Cross
[hotfile.com]



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CaptainAcid

* Im my and other fan's opinion Midnight Beat's "Acetate" contains twice the same version of "Criss Cross I". Nevertheless I included both, judge yourself if you can hear any difference.

It is really two different versions / mixes.

track A2 : Take care, in left channel, of a saxophone playing low/bass notes, starting around 1'33.
this is the same version as on LP's "Nasty Habits" and "Past And Present, and DAC CD "Lonely At The Top.

track A3 : this saxophone is not present until 3'25

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LiveAtHidepark

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CaptainAcid

* Im my and other fan's opinion Midnight Beat's "Acetate" contains twice the same version of "Criss Cross I". Nevertheless I included both, judge yourself if you can hear any difference.

It is really two different versions / mixes.

track A2 : Take care, in left channel, of a saxophone playing low/bass notes, starting around 1'33.
this is the same version as on LP's "Nasty Habits" and "Past And Present, and DAC CD "Lonely At The Top.

track A3 : this saxophone is not present until 3'25

Ah, i haven`t noticed, will check out later. Anyway the track is included ( Remastered too) in a separate folder, so can be added as final track. It sounded just as a different EQ, but i did not spot the sax detail.Thanks for the info.

I don't think this one is from Exile, sounds more like "Winter". What's the name? Anybody knows?

video: [youtu.be]

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"I'm gonna walk... before they make me run"

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I already asked on hungercity but nobody noticed - what about the 3 songs/versions that Felix mentions on his site:

Guess I should Know
Brown Leaves (aka Golden Caddy) - 2 versions

On one side they don't sound too much GHS for me but on the other I don't have any better sources than Felix. What do you guys think about?

O.K., Keessie has informed me that this does not fit on one disc.
So my advice is, burn first 12 on disc one and put the rest on disc two plus 11a ( as bonus ) from the separate folder ( that seems to be different after all ).

Captain



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silkcut1978_
I already asked on hungercity but nobody noticed - what about the 3 songs/versions that Felix mentions on his site:

Guess I should Know
Brown Leaves (aka Golden Caddy) - 2 versions

On one side they don't sound too much GHS for me but on the other I don't have any better sources than Felix. What do you guys think about?

Hi Thomas, it seems nobody dares to answer you....and me included; because it would just be a guess. It doesn't sound too much like GHS to me either, then again - those rough take outtakes can be quite a lot different sounding from other songs of the session; and especially the finished ones...
So Felix guess, and yours, is as good as any guess.

Thanks for this!

Has anyone done new artwork for the additional song and CD?

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Smokey
Thanks for this!

Has anyone done new artwork for the additional song and CD?

We`ll ask Mr D to adopt the cover for double cd version. Just give us a few days.

Hi everybody,

yes, Nico and Felix mention these versions of 'Guess I Should Know' & "Brown Leaves', but both are unverified. We don't know exact information of the origin
for these quotes, but highly bootlegged versions of these songs must have come from 'Emotional', or et least "Some Girls' sessions (listen to the groove: drum sound, compressed bass, tremolo late 70's guitar sound and the way of more improved individual playing). It certainly isn't the sound of Jamaica '72, or London or LA '73. I'm checking Felix and Nico's databases on the daily basis (hats-off to their research), but really we all Stones fanatics just only can guess when and where exact track was REALLY recorded. Ask Keith, Mick or Bill and i bet they don't know either. Maybe some recording technician or coffee girl, but we'll have to wait for their memoirs to be written, ha ha...

I think that CaptainAcid will agree that we put just that 'Criss Cross' version
as a bonus/regular, and i'll make the sleeve rework for it to be double CD.

Thank you all for wonderful comments on our work.

Mr.D

This is a NICE project. You did a great job with all the tracks, especially "Dancing With Mr. D" -- you nailed the speed correction from the Reel Time Trip version and "100 Years Ago" sounds more filled out than the version off Acetates.

Terrific artwork too, MisterDee.

thanks a lot !!!!!!!!!
great stuff, love it
bye
jeroen

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MisterDee
I think that CaptainAcid will agree that we put just that 'Criss Cross' version
as a bonus/regular, and i'll make the sleeve rework for it to be double CD.

Great! Many thanks!

Many thanks for putting the work into this - sounds great!

thanks !

now it's time for it's ony rock & roll outtakes /demos ?

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LiveAtHidepark

It is really two different versions / mixes.

track A2 : Take care, in left channel, of a saxophone playing low/bass notes, starting around 1'33.
this is the same version as on LP's "Nasty Habits" and "Past And Present, and DAC CD "Lonely At The Top.

track A3 : this saxophone is not present until 3'25

You are indeed right! Even if this saxophone is hard to hear because it's a bit buried in the keyboards. But it's indeed a different mix.

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midnrambler

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LiveAtHidepark

It is really two different versions / mixes.

track A2 : Take care, in left channel, of a saxophone playing low/bass notes, starting around 1'33.
this is the same version as on LP's "Nasty Habits" and "Past And Present, and DAC CD "Lonely At The Top.

track A3 : this saxophone is not present until 3'25

You are indeed right! Even if this saxophone is hard to hear because it's a bit buried in the keyboards. But it's indeed a different mix.

I have to admit it's almost impossible to spot the differences with loudspeakers.
I had to use headphones, taking notes, and rewind, rewind, rewind .....

I have spent a full afternoon listening to different versions/mixes of Save Me. I've found out 5 different versions/mixes.

I never noticed this either, HidePark, those two Save Me's have always sounded completely alike to me. Then again, I never use headphones.
Good catch

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Erik_Snow
I never noticed this either, HidePark, those two Save Me's have always sounded completely alike to me. Then again, I never use headphones.
Good catch

sometimes, headphones are usefull.

Miss You : check the original Miss You 12 vinyl version and then check the version on CD 5ep "Don't Stop". You will hear differences in the guitars. for this one, you don't need headphones.

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LiveAtHidepark

Miss You : check the original Miss You 12 vinyl version and then check the version on CD 5ep "Don't Stop". You will hear differences in the guitars. for this one, you don't need headphones.

Interesting. Also the version in the CD Singles Box?

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midnrambler

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LiveAtHidepark

Miss You : check the original Miss You 12 vinyl version and then check the version on CD 5ep "Don't Stop". You will hear differences in the guitars. for this one, you don't need headphones.

Interesting. Also the version in the CD Singles Box?

mix 1 - 12" vinyl
mix 1 - CD Collectors edition from 1990 box


mix 2 - CD 5 ep "don't stop"
mix 2 - singles box 1971-2006 - CD "Miss You"
mix 2 - singles box 1971-2006 - CD "Don't Stop"

listen carefully at Ronnie Wood guitar after the "come on come on" break. (3'10)



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vancouver
thanks !

now it's time for it's ony rock & roll outtakes /demos ?

Yes vancouver, you`ve got very good instinct.IORR is gonna be adopted for Acid Project very soon. I am strugling these days with Rotterdam Rehearsals, when i finish it, IORR is most probably next.
Soon i`ll also deal with Woodstock Rehearsals, Satanic 8 disc`s outtakes, BBC sessions......and on and on....
Captain

O.K. since Megaupload is dead, i have posted it on Hotfile:
[hotfile.com]
enjoy
Captain

i found 11 tracks in my folder of "alt it's only rock & roll"

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vancouver
i found 11 tracks in my folder of "alt it's only rock & roll"

Gimme your list, please. just to check with mine, if i have got everything.
Everybody else, too. I am open to suggestions what shall be on IORR remastered outtakes.

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dandelion1967
I don't think this one is from Exile, sounds more like "Winter". What's the name? Anybody knows?

video: [youtu.be]

Yep, that would fit nicely here.

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LiveAtHidepark

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midnrambler

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LiveAtHidepark

Miss You : check the original Miss You 12 vinyl version and then check the version on CD 5ep "Don't Stop". You will hear differences in the guitars. for this one, you don't need headphones.

Interesting. Also the version in the CD Singles Box?

mix 1 - 12" vinyl
mix 1 - CD Collectors edition from 1990 box


mix 2 - CD 5 ep "don't stop"
mix 2 - singles box 1971-2006 - CD "Miss You"
mix 2 - singles box 1971-2006 - CD "Don't Stop"

listen carefully at Ronnie Wood guitar after the "come on come on" break. (3'10)

NOT true. Same mix. Just a normalizing job. Sounding louder.

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Carster

NOT true. Same mix. Just a normalizing job. Sounding louder.

On the second mix, between 3'15 and 3'17 I can hear two short guitar arpeggios that are not present on the original mix.

Listen again.

@HidePark: great screenname by the way, always thought that release was kind of funny!

windcall /or windmill ?

la jan 27-30 1973 there is one version with slide the other without