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Mick at No.16


"As we say in England, it can get a bit trainspottery"



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2008-11-14 12:48 by bv.

No Janis in top 10? I know it's subjective but you kidding me?

its actually not a bad list,
but:

-mick schoud be in top ten, far above paul mccartney.
-WHERE'S DAVID BOWIE



Keith Richards voted,
Id like to know in wich position he put mick!

That's a BS list. John Lennon? Stevie Wonder? Mother of God. MIck is better than both of them by a mile; so's Al Green, Ann Peebles, Bob Marley, Scratch Perry, the Morrisons (Jim & Van), Pickett, Bowie, Sly, Strummer, Waylon - the list goes on and on and on and on. The bottom line is: any "top ten singers of the RnR era" list that doesn't include Al Green, is worthless.

My list (rock n roll era only) would be something like:
1 Sam Cooke
2 Aretha
3 Waylon Jennings
4 Al Green
5 Bob Marley
6 Elvis
7 Van Morrison
8 Otis
9 Mick
10 Jim Morrison

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...and where's The Georgia Peach? The Beauty? Little Richard Penniman? C'mon!
No Muddy? No Wolf? No Gladys Knight? How in the Hell do Lennon and Stevie make the top ten? There are 3 singers in The Band that beat both of those guys.





Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2008-11-12 17:36 by The Ghost Of Good taste.

Well, the BBC list is o.k. but the fact that Michael Jackson (aged 50) is the youngest artist listed in the "top 25" might tell you something.
I mean, is Keith (one of the voters it seems) well informed in all music periods.
Mind you, good to see John Lennon @ number 5 = Mr Soul, in my opinion.

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jlowe
...good to see John Lennon @ number 5 = Mr Soul, in my opinion.

I just threw up in my mouth a little.

I have no problem with Aretha at the top. Three white singers in the top ten, two in my opinion don't belong there. Lennon and Dylan. If this is on voice and singing alone.

As songwriters yes, but singers definitely not.

Lennon???

The point of leaving Dylan, Lennon or Jagger out of that kind of list is like leaving Keith Richards out of the 'best guitarists' list. Technically Keith is worse than most of the guitarists playing in your next joint.

In my list Dylan and Jagger are numbers one and two without reflection - what comes after them I need to really think about. Otis, Cooke, Marvin, Artha... aah, so many of them..

- Doxa

No problem with Aretha - but Dylan?!?!? Songwriter, fer sure, but singer, no way.

Lennon - rock and roll great voice - please note the great Robin Zander of Cheap Trick sounding a lot like Lennon.

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Elmo Lewis
No problem with Aretha - but Dylan?!?!? Songwriter, fer sure, but singer, no way.

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I can see your point about Dylan, but I think one can not the seperate the voice from his tunes... and even if you can: I still remember the impression of listening (in fact: watching) "We Are The World", and only one thing that really made the impression, and really stuck out was the voice of Dylan - and at the time I was not any fan of his at all. It was the voice and nothing but the voice. If a voice like that doesn't count in a list of "greatest singers" than those kind of lists are next to nothing. Like I said with the same logic Keith Richards would not make any 'greatest guitarists' list. And that's against any common sense. Being a master of a certain instrument is not barely the technical ability.

- Doxa

Where's Ella Fitzgerald? She really was the greatest of them all.

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Elmo Lewis
No problem with Aretha - but Dylan?!?!? Songwriter, fer sure, but singer, no way.

Lennon - rock and roll great voice - please note the great Robin Zander of Cheap Trick sounding a lot like Lennon.

Again, from SIMON NAPIER-BELL'S book, page 60 and 61, respectively.

"The Stones' music was the hypnotic beat of rhythm and blues, mainly Jagger's, the words were slurred and southern,the words never easily understood. Mick offered an explanation. "I remember when I was very young, I read an article by Fats Domino which influenced me. He said, "You should never sing the lyrics out clearly".

John Lennon once said, 'You don't have to understand what Bob Dylan's saying, you just have to hear the way he says it. '



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2008-11-13 14:35 by stonesmusicfan.

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The Ghost Of Good taste
That's a BS list. John Lennon? Stevie Wonder? Mother of God. MIck is better than both of them by a mile; so's Al Green, Ann Peebles, Bob Marley, Scratch Perry, the Morrisons (Jim & Van), Pickett, Bowie, Sly, Strummer, Waylon - the list goes on and on and on and on. The bottom line is: any "top ten singers of the RnR era" list that doesn't include Al Green, is worthless.

My list (rock n roll era only) would be something like:
1 Sam Cooke
2 Aretha
3 Waylon Jennings
4 Al Green
5 Bob Marley
6 Elvis
7 Van Morrison
8 Otis
9 Mick
10 Jim Morrison

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...and where's The Georgia Peach? The Beauty? Little Richard Penniman? C'mon!
No Muddy? No Wolf? No Gladys Knight? How in the Hell do Lennon and Stevie make the top ten? There are 3 singers in The Band that beat both of those guys.

Al Green, Bob Marley & Jim Morrison in the rock n roll era? To me the rock n roll era is circa 1955 to 1962.

Keith was in the jury. That explains why Bowie's not on the list... And it also explains why Aretha's up there. He simply loves her!

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Sleepy City

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The Ghost Of Good taste
That's a BS list. John Lennon? Stevie Wonder? Mother of God. MIck is better than both of them by a mile; so's Al Green, Ann Peebles, Bob Marley, Scratch Perry, the Morrisons (Jim & Van), Pickett, Bowie, Sly, Strummer, Waylon - the list goes on and on and on and on. The bottom line is: any "top ten singers of the RnR era" list that doesn't include Al Green, is worthless.

My list (rock n roll era only) would be something like:
1 Sam Cooke
2 Aretha
3 Waylon Jennings
4 Al Green
5 Bob Marley
6 Elvis
7 Van Morrison
8 Otis
9 Mick
10 Jim Morrison

EDIT:
...and where's The Georgia Peach? The Beauty? Little Richard Penniman? C'mon!
No Muddy? No Wolf? No Gladys Knight? How in the Hell do Lennon and Stevie make the top ten? There are 3 singers in The Band that beat both of those guys.

Al Green, Bob Marley & Jim Morrison in the rock n roll era? To me the rock n roll era is circa 1955 to 1962.

You are more of a purist than I, Sleepy.

Just for you, my top ten from the SC-approved rock-n-roll era (55-62)

1 Sam Cooke
2 Elvis
3 Little Richard
4 Solomon BUrke
5 Muddy
6 Mavis Staples/Pops Staples (tie)
7 Smokey Robinson
8 Dion
9 Howlin' Wolf
10 Fats Domino

"I just threw up in my mouth a little."

Funniest comment all day!!

Where's Sinatra????

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The Ghost Of Good taste

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Sleepy City

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The Ghost Of Good taste
That's a BS list. John Lennon? Stevie Wonder? Mother of God. MIck is better than both of them by a mile; so's Al Green, Ann Peebles, Bob Marley, Scratch Perry, the Morrisons (Jim & Van), Pickett, Bowie, Sly, Strummer, Waylon - the list goes on and on and on and on. The bottom line is: any "top ten singers of the RnR era" list that doesn't include Al Green, is worthless.

My list (rock n roll era only) would be something like:
1 Sam Cooke
2 Aretha
3 Waylon Jennings
4 Al Green
5 Bob Marley
6 Elvis
7 Van Morrison
8 Otis
9 Mick
10 Jim Morrison

EDIT:
...and where's The Georgia Peach? The Beauty? Little Richard Penniman? C'mon!
No Muddy? No Wolf? No Gladys Knight? How in the Hell do Lennon and Stevie make the top ten? There are 3 singers in The Band that beat both of those guys.

Al Green, Bob Marley & Jim Morrison in the rock n roll era? To me the rock n roll era is circa 1955 to 1962.

You are more of a purist than I, Sleepy.

Just for you, my top ten from the SC-approved rock-n-roll era (55-62)

1 Sam Cooke
2 Elvis
3 Little Richard
4 Solomon BUrke
5 Muddy
6 Mavis Staples/Pops Staples (tie)
7 Smokey Robinson
8 Dion
9 Howlin' Wolf
10 Fats Domino

Well I think I'd have to include Jerry Lee Lewis & Gene Vincent in there somewhere, but I could live with those! : )

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1 | Aretha Franklin by Mary J. Blige

2 | Ray Charles by Billy Joel

3 | Elvis Presley by Robert Plant

4 | Sam Cooke by Van Morrison

5 | John Lennon by Jackson Browne

6 | Marvin Gaye by Alicia Keys

7 | Bob Dylan by Bono

8 | Otis Redding by Booker T. Jones

9 | Stevie Wonder by Cee-Lo

10 | James Brown by Iggy Pop

11 | Paul McCartney

12 | Little Richard

13 | Roy Orbison

14 | Al Green

15 | Robert Plant

16 | Mick Jagger by Lenny Kravitz

17 | Tina Turner

18 | Freddie Mercury

19 | Bob Marley

20 | Smokey Robinson

21 | Johnny Cash

22 | Etta James

23 | David Bowie

24 | Van Morrison

25 | Michael Jackson by Patrick Stump of Fall Out Boy

26 | Jackie Wilson

27 | Hank Williams

28 | Janis Joplin

29 | Nina Simone

30 | Prince

31 | Howlin' Wolf

32 | Bono by Billie Joe Armstrong

33 | Steve Winwood

34 | Whitney Houston

35 | Dusty Springfield

36 | Bruce Springsteen

37 | Neil Young

38 | Elton John

39 | Jeff Buckley by Chris Cornell

40 | Curtis Mayfield

41 | Chuck Berry

42 | Joni Mitchell

43 | George Jones by James Taylor

44 | Bobby "Blue" Bland

45 | Kurt Cobain

46 | Patsy Cline

47 | Jim Morrison

48 | Buddy Holly

49 | Donny Hathaway

50 | Bonnie Raitt

51/font> | Gladys Knight

52 | Brian Wilson

53 | Muddy Waters by Ben Harper

54 | Luther Vandross

55 | Paul Rodgers

56 | Mavis Staples

57 | Eric Burdon

58 | Christina Aguilera

59 | Rod Stewart

60 | Björk

61 | Roger Daltrey

62 | Lou Reed

63 | Dion

64 | Axl Rose

65 | David Ruffin

66 | Thom Yorke

67 | Jerry Lee Lewis

68 | Wilson Pickett

69 | Ronnie Spector

70 | Gregg Allman

71 | Toots HIbbert

72 | John Fogerty

73 | Dolly Parton

74 | James Taylor

75 | Iggy Pop

76 | Steve Perry

77 | Merle Haggard

78 | Sly Stone

79 | Mariah Carey

80 | Frankie Valli

81 | John Lee Hooker by Bonnie Raitt

82 | Tom Waits

83 | Patti Smith

84 | Darlene Love

85 | Sam Moore

86 | Art Garfunkel

87 | Don Henley

88 | Willie Nelson

89 | Solomon Burke

90 | The Everly Brothers

91 | Levon Helm by Jim James

92 | Morrissey

93 | Annie Lennox

94 | Karen Carpenter

95 | Patti LaBelle

96 | B.B. King

97 | Joe Cocker

98 | Stevie Knicks

99 | Steven Tyler

100 | Mary J. Blige



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Sleepy City
Well I think I'd have to include Jerry Lee Lewis & Gene Vincent in there somewhere, but I could live with those! : )

It was tough to leave The Killer off there - he was my last cut. I must admit, I didn't even think about Gene Vincent, though I certainly enjoy the man's work.

Freddy Mercury has the greatest voice in my opinion. He's got it all.
High, low and everything in between.

-TomR

Now, the order is still preposterous, (The Cadillac of country singers at #43?!?) but I don't have all day to completely re-do the entire list. I'll do my best to fix the people on the list, though. Jesus Christ - this is horrendous.


1 | Aretha Franklin

2 | Ray Charles

3 | Elvis Presley

4 | Sam Cooke

5 | John Lennon Jimmy Reed

6 | Marvin Gaye

7 | Bob Dylan

8 | Otis Redding

9 | Stevie Wonder

10 | James Brown

11 | Paul McCartney James Carr

12 | Little Richard

13 | Roy Orbison

14 | Al Green

15 | Robert Plant

16 | Mick Jagger

17 | Tina Turner

18 | Freddie Mercury OV Wright

19 | Bob Marley

20 | Smokey Robinson

21 | Johnny Cash

22 | Etta James

23 | David Bowie

24 | Van Morrison

25 | Michael Jackson

26 | Jackie Wilson

27 | Hank Williams

28 | Janis Joplin

29 | Nina Simone

30 | Prince

31 | Howlin' Wolf

32 | Bono

33 | Steve Winwood Waylon Jennings

34 | Whitney Houston Lee "Scratch" Perry

35 | EDIT: Dusty Springfield Levi Stubbs

36 | Bruce Springsteen

37 | Neil Young

38 | Elton John Eddie Hinton

39 | Jeff Buckley

40 | Curtis Mayfield

41 | Chuck Berry

42 | Joni Mitchell

43 | George Jones

44 | Bobby "Blue" Bland

45 | Kurt Cobain Brook Benton

46 | Patsy Cline

47 | Jim Morrison

48 | Buddy Holly Lou Rawls

49 | Donny Hathaway

50 | Bonnie Raitt Bobby Womack

51 | Gladys Knight

52 | Brian Wilson Keith

53 | Muddy Waters

54 | Luther Vandross Bobby Byrd

55 | Paul Rodgers Joe Strummer

56 | Mavis Staples

57 | Eric Burdon

58 | Christina Aguilera PJ Harvey

59 | Rod Stewart

60 | Björk

61 | Roger Daltrey

62 | Lou Reed

63 | Dion

64 | Axl Rose Max Romeo

65 | David Ruffin

66 | Thom Yorke

67 | Jerry Lee Lewis

68 | Wilson Pickett

69 | Ronnie Spector

70 | Gregg Allman

71 | Toots HIbbert

72 | John Fogerty

73 | Dolly Parton Bettye Swann

74 | EDIT: James Taylor Aaron Neville

75 | Iggy Pop

76 | Steve Perry Ann Peebles

77 | Merle Haggard

78 | Sly Stone

79 | Mariah Carey Lynn Collins

80 | Frankie Valli

81 | John Lee Hooker

82 | Tom Waits

83 | Patti Smith

84 | Darlene Love

85 | Sam Moore

86 | Art Garfunkel Lee Dorsey

87 | Don Henley Gram

88 | Willie Nelson

89 | Solomon Burke

90 | The Everly Brothers

91 | Levon Helm

92 | Morrissey Elmore James

93 | Annie Lennox

94 | Karen Carpenter Fats Domino

95 | Patti LaBelle Ernie K Doe

96 | B.B. King

97 | Joe Cocker Mahmoud Ahmed

98 | Stevie Knicks Mahalia Jackson

99 | Steven Tyler Snooks Eaglin

100 | Mary J. Blige Slim Harpo





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The Ghost Of Good taste

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Sleepy City
Well I think I'd have to include Jerry Lee Lewis & Gene Vincent in there somewhere, but I could live with those! : )

It was tough to leave The Killer off there - he was my last cut. I must admit, I didn't even think about Gene Vincent, though I certainly enjoy the man's work.

Although perhaps not a "great" singer, Gene Vincent (like The Killer) was a vocal stylist that didn't sound like anyone else before him.

The Ghost of New Taste (indeed), I like your philosophy of remaking the list - but are all the names that were written over omitted forever - no hope of belonging to top 100 at all...

The best was putting Jimmy Reed into position #5 - now, that was a move!

- Doxa

This is amazing, I can´t see Levi Stubbs on anyones list!

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Doxa
The Ghost of New Taste (indeed), I like your philosophy of remaking the list - but are all the names that were written over omitted forever - no hope of belonging to top 100 at all...

The best was putting Jimmy Reed into position #5 - now, that was a move!

- Doxa

Thanks, Doxa - glad you enjoyed. I didn't have the time to re-order all of them, but yeah, for me, none of the cross-outs belong in the top 100 (though some may be in my next 10 or so).

I'm with you, Jimmy Reed was a bad bad man - I could listen to nothing but Jimmy Reed all day and night, and be quite happy.

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Svartmer
This is amazing, I can´t see Levi Stubbs on anyones list!

Yikes! My bad. Bye bye Dusty Springfield...





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Svartmer
This is amazing, I can´t see Levi Stubbs on anyones list!

I haven't made a list, but he'd certainly be in my top 20!

Possibly the greatest singer of all time is P.J. Proby (& he's still amazing at 70!). Certainly one of the most versatile, in the early days he could sound like James Brown one moment, Johnny Cash the next & Gene Pitney the next! He also cut my favourite ever version of The Beach Boys' 'Don't Worry Baby'...scroll forward to 2.30:

aretha is a woman and a half...

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The Ghost Of Good taste
That's a BS list. John Lennon? Stevie Wonder? Mother of God. MIck is better than both of them by a mile; so's Al Green, Ann Peebles, Bob Marley, Scratch Perry, the Morrisons (Jim & Van), Pickett, Bowie, Sly, Strummer, Waylon - the list goes on and on and on and on. The bottom line is: any "top ten singers of the RnR era" list that doesn't include Al Green, is worthless.

My list (rock n roll era only) would be something like:
1 Sam Cooke
2 Aretha
3 Waylon Jennings
4 Al Green
5 Bob Marley
6 Elvis
7 Van Morrison
8 Otis
9 Mick
10 Jim Morrison

EDIT:
...and where's The Georgia Peach? The Beauty? Little Richard Penniman? C'mon!
No Muddy? No Wolf? No Gladys Knight? How in the Hell do Lennon and Stevie make the top ten? There are 3 singers in The Band that beat both of those guys.

Mick is a great singer for the Stones....but when compared to Lennon and Wonder, they are way ahead. First Lennon has far more vocal range than Jagger and was an incredible singer. Wonder as well. Very high range in his vocals.