In light of the tragic news regarding Kennedy today, an interesting photo--I disagree with a lot of TK's behavior over the years, particularly (and obviously) the Chappaquiddick incident, but this is a sad diagnosis and he's in our prayers. (I lost my best friend Jeff to the same thing--he was the biggest Stones fan in the world and at each show we go to now we bring a photo of him)



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what year?

Yuck

is that a young Jane Rose on the right?

Who's in the pic??
Is that an attractive (!!) Nancy Pelosi on the left??

yeah... what is the story behind this?

I would guess maybe its from the 81 tour...
I read about him doing a photo op on the 81 tour with then SF mayor Dianne Fienstien -who is now a senator. it was for an historic calbe car cerimony or something like that he attended during the bands stay there. Never have seen it though.



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L to R -

Kathy Woods, Kennedy, Bill Carter, Jagger, Jane Rose

check out mick hob nobbing with that shite eating grin,lol

"WHat the f#ck did I just do?"


Ken Regan



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Looks like he just had his ass handed to him. He should have left the doubling cube alone.

The story on Bill Carter, in the photo (this looks like early 80s)

From the "Nashville Scene"

"Carter left the Secret Service in 1965 and returned to law school, earning his degree in 1967. He became a criminal trial lawyer in Little Rock and represented some of the city’s most violent offenders. But when he turned from trial law to entertainment, it was his Secret Service contacts that helped him land his first famous client, the Rolling Stones, in 1973. For political reasons, the State Department and Immigration and Naturalization had denied the band’s request to obtain work permits required for the Stones to tour America. (During this time, the federal government was also trying to deport John Lennon and Yoko Ono.) Carter’s mentor, U.S. Rep. Wilbur Mills, had recommended him after several other attorneys’ efforts had failed. “He single-handedly got them into the U.S. to tour when they couldn’t get in,” says Chet Flippo, editorial director of C MT.com and former Rolling Stone editor. “It saved their careers. They were broke at the time and really needed to tour, and the U.S. was their market.”

Carter got his wish—but with one caveat: he was required to join the Stones, to eliminate any possible problems that might derail the tour. “When I met Bill, his role seemed to be keeping local law enforcement happy from just before the band arrived in a city until after they left,” says Zysblat. “I don’t think a tour would have concluded if Bill wasn’t there. The tours just wouldn’t have been completed. Either one band member or a crew member would have been detained and shows would have been lost, or trucks wouldn’t have made it across borders.”

In a time where many people considered rock ’n’ roll to be the devil’s music, Jagger was the devil incarnate. At many cities, local police were poised at stage’s edge, licking their lips in hope of arresting Jagger for exhibiting pornographic material when displaying a giant penis onstage, or violating a city’s obscenity code with song lyrics. But Carter wasn’t intimidated. “There were things that he did that were beyond anyone’s comprehension,” Zysblat says. “He would make a phone call and things would go away. It was just scary—good scary, but scary nonetheless.”

“There was confrontation in nearly every city we went to,” says Carter, who was never arrested. “I said, ‘Come on, take me to jail, you S.O.B. It will enhance my reputation. You’re not going to come out here and mistreat this band.’ ”

While it’s the screaming matches that were most often documented in the press, Carter was actually famous for diffusing tense situations, Zysblat says. “Bill would walk into a room and say, ‘Now everybody calm down.’ He was so disarming that everybody would calm down. It didn’t matter how crazed the police were or how much battle gear they had on.”


In February 1977, Keith Richards was arrested at the Toronto International Airport for drug possession and trafficking. Richards, a heroin addict, faced seven years to life in prison. Incarceration would have likely meant the end of the Stones, if not Richards’ life.

Rather than playing hardball, Carter told the judge the truth and pled for mercy. “I said, ‘Your honor, I’ve already acknowledged that you’re dealing with a man seriously addicted to heroin, but if you lock him up, he’ll die. There is no way he can withdraw from heroin cold turkey.’ ” The strategy worked: Richards was released on a bond of only $25,000. Carter located British physician Meg Patterson, who had cured rocker Eric Clapton of his addiction. Since she wasn’t allowed to practice in the United States, he found a doctor willing to sponsor her and got government approval and a waiver from the American Medical Association. Then he negotiated with the White House and State Department for a limited visa to allow Richards to enter the U.S. for drug treatment. Three weeks later, Richards was cured. In October 1978, trafficking charges were dropped, and Richards pled to a lesser charge of heroin possession and was placed on probation."

Wonder if Ted knows the words to SFTD.

and i wonder it Ted was familiar with the "I shouted out" lyric in SFTD

Re hbwriter message
-were the stones really borke in the early 70's ? I thought Keith was shelling out about a grand a week on the villa in the south of france (which would be about ten grand a week, now?), also they had got a good recording deal with kinney/atlantic and certainly keith and mick were doing fine on their composers royalties
-on the political front, Kennedy would have made a better president than virtually any of the shabby lot since, he's been a hard working senator - well respected, which is quite something in the political arena. The 1969 "incident" was of course pretty unforgiveable - and he paid the penalty. Better a Kennedy than a Bush anyday

From what I have understood in all the readings I've done the Stones didn't really make money until the 1978 tour but that the 1981 tour is when they really started to go home with a couple million each. The rest of those tours they made almost nothing compared to the 1980s onwards.

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and i wonder it Ted was familiar with the "I shouted out" lyric in SFTD

There's an interesting bit of editing in the Gimme Shelter film when, right after Mick sings that line, the camera cuts to a Latino guy with a big smile on his face, really digging it. I always thought that was a little ironic, since it was Latino support that propelled RFK, in the final hours of his life, to a victory in the California Democratic presidential primary on June 4, 1968.

Gimme Shelter is full of curious little edits like that. That's part of its genius.

tatters:

just FYI - a page on my web site, re: RFK

[www.chrisepting.com]

Carter’s mentor, U.S. Rep. Wilbur Mills,



Didn't Wilbur Mills end up in some controversy over a girl??

re: Bill Carter -- fascinating, I had never heard of him and his role. Is he still in touch with the band? I assume the article is talking about the '75 tour, not '73 as it says, or '72. Great job he did in Arkansas, then.

re: Kennedy - I think he was perceived as not having earned anything when he replaced JFK in the Senate in 1962. And maybe until Chappaquidick he lived up to that reputation. He made a run for the presidential nomination in 1980 to challenge Carter and did well, but it became apparent he couldn't overcome the (deserved) negativity from the Chapp. incident. I'm not really sure what his political rationale vs. Carter was... whether it was against the perception that Carter would lose (correct) or that he had betrayed the Democrats while in office (somewhat correct, but nothing like Clinton). He gave a well received, gracious party-unity speech on giving up the campaign, which may have done more than anything to enhance his reputation, and he has been a dedicated senator ever since.



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re: Kennedy - I think he was perceived as not having earned anything when he replaced JFK in the Senate in 1962. And maybe until Chappaquidick he lived up to that reputation. He made a run for the presidential nomination in 1980 to challenge Carter and did well, but it became apparent he couldn't overcome the (deserved) negativity from the Chapp. incident. I'm not really sure what his political rationale vs. Carter was... whether it was against the perception that Carter would lose (correct) or that he had betrayed the Democrats while in office (somewhat correct, but nothing like Clinton). He gave a well received, gracious party-unity speech on giving up the campaign, which may have done more than anything to enhance his reputation, and he has been a dedicated senator ever since.

If he really wanted to be president, he would have run in 1976. The nomination was his for the asking in '76, and ANY democrat could have beaten Nixon's unelected replacement that year.

There was something perverse about his decision to make his one and only bid for the presidency in 1980, when it meant challenging a sitting president for the nomination, something that has never been done successfully in the history of the United States. Someone made the observation that he "desperately DOESN'T want it", meaning it was his way of saying "Okay, I'll run just this once, and after I lose, as I most certainly will, since I'm doing this in a year I cannot possibly be elected, will you please just leave me the @#$%& alone".

There was this 1980 moment, too...

"The second and most damaging public blunder occurred when Ted Kennedy
appeared in an interview on CBS television with reporter Roger Mudd.
Mudd asked Kennedy questions about the Chappaquiddick incident and
Kennedy was evasive and stumbled over his words. Also when asked, "why
do you want to be president?" Kennedy seemed totally incoherent and
unresponsive.

Many commentators point to this CBS interview as the most damaging
moment of Ted Kennedy's 1980 campaign. After the interview, Kennedy
dropped substantially in the polls and Carter won the first ballot
confirmation. Kennedy has never since run for President but continues
as an influential Senator in the U.S. Congress.

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There was this 1980 moment, too...

"The second and most damaging public blunder occurred when Ted Kennedy
appeared in an interview on CBS television with reporter Roger Mudd.
Mudd asked Kennedy questions about the Chappaquiddick incident and
Kennedy was evasive and stumbled over his words. Also when asked, "why
do you want to be president?" Kennedy seemed totally incoherent and
unresponsive.

Right, and then he proceeded to give the best speech of his life at the convention when the pressure was off and Carter already had the nomination won. I was left thinking "Well, NEXT time he'll get it for sure", but of course, there was no next time. It wouldn't have made sense for him to run in '84. No way he could have stopped Reagan being reelected. There WAS a big push for him to run in '88, when he certainly could have been nominated, and would have had a good chance against Bush, but by that time he seemed quite happily resigned to the fact that he was never going to be president. In 1992, though still young enough at age 60, he was never really mentioned as a possible candidate.



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Kennedy's career has some interesting parallels to the Stones', including chronology - RS b. 1962, TK elected to Senate 1962. Both transcended their "# 2" positions (in relationship to the Beatles, and JFK or RK) through hard work (concurrent with 'party hard' images) and longevity.

did you know that Nostradamus predicted the two Kennedy asassinations - and referred to the 3 brothers in some of his writings?

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From what I have understood in all the readings I've done the Stones didn't really make money until the 1978 tour but that the 1981 tour is when they really started to go home with a couple million each. The rest of those tours they made almost nothing compared to the 1980s onwards.

I suppose it all depends on what you mean by being broke. Its a bit like saying Tony and Mrs Blair are hard up. They have loads of properties and very good earnings potential (like the Stones).
In 1971 Mick and Keith had 2 properties which in today's values would easily exceed three or four million smackers in value. Bill who constantly moans in his books about money owned Gedding Hall (and still does), a very impressive pile, thank you. What they didn't have were tangible cash savings, the poor dears.
Their problem was their Mangers oversight (?) in not paying the Inland Revenue their due taxes. Klein clearly wasn't an enthusiastic payer and despite Mick's LSE background, it seemed to glaze over him also, until the penny dropped in 1970. Other high earners managed to stay...and pay.
Their much maligned first Manger Eric Easton actually set monies aside - I believe in the Bradford and Bingley Building Society (!) for such needs. He may not have been a hustler, but he was straight (well relatively so).
As the actor Rick Tomlinson would say "broke my arse!"