What do you say, fellow-users?

It seems like this is The great wave splitter at SAL..

My idea is Mick aint no longer comfortable with some of the lines,
linke the openin' ones: "I Was born in a crossfire, hurricane.. "
- Maybe it aint as convenient & pathos-loaded for a 64-year old
as it is for a 26 year old to sing those words.. ?
Like with Street Fightin' Man... Long time ago we see Mick doin' that, huh?

But I would like a discussion on this song in particular, JJF...
Not at SAL necessarily but live and as a song for the 21st century
(and maybe beyond that).

Your thoughts, babies? (and the usual insults from you-know-who)?

.................................. Anyone?

I never get tired of this one.
The opening guitar, Mick's angry lyrics, great opener.

I just bought the original single for 50p at a charity shop???

One of the greatest records of all time and a great opener live......

greates song (for me) ever.
Combines all for what rock´n´roll stands

I love the song and I love the recording! The recording is a bit of a mystery, working out exactly what is being played seems to have eluded everyone since it's release.

I hate it when I hear it being played 'bar band' style though, yuk!

The studio recording can never be recreated, It's a masterpiece IMO. It shows that no matter how much fuzz you add on your guitar, or how brutal you may scream, you can't get heavier. One of my all time favourite songs.

But I miss the intro off the studio version, and I can't understand why Mick never could sing the "it's alright"-part properly live

The riff itself is not so simple as one might think...

you hear: da da...da da da- da da da-da da da , 3 notes right?

the underlined notes are actually notes where keith bends the string downward to get to the note. the same way hoochie coochie man is played (for example)

He does it very fast so its bearly noticable but it gives the riff its jumpy, bouncy, bluesy edge. The riff is imo the perfect combi of hard rock and blues.

Ive never heard any coverband get that riff right, including johnny winters version. If you dont play it like keith it loses its strenght completely.

Anyway its pure fudging genius and the greatest rockriff of all time (imo)

The above post has nothing to do with the original single release or any live version I have heard!

<Ive never heard any coverband get that riff right, including johnny winters version>

Not so strange, since Johnny did the song in standard tuning?

Baboon Bro,

The same concern over lyrics can be said of many Stones songs. Does Jagger really feel comfortable singing 'I'm called the hit and run raper in anger'. Does it worry McCartney that he may be construed a paedophile when he sings "she was just 17, you know what I mean". If it was Gary Glitter singing that last line then there'd be outrage. I don't think it matters and Mick and McCartney obviously are not worried as they are in character of their songs.

I'm stuck in 1969 or wish the Stones were with JJF according to some people. Mick seems to stay in the same register with this one, and the chorus is still a bit draggy. But at least on Shine A Light it's got some tenacity to it, unlike the version on Flashpoint. Eh, that's the last live album it was released on right?

Ya-Ya's JJF is my favorite live version and in my opinion they've never topped it since.

majesty, its in there! listen closely and youll hear. I bet you would notice if he played it differently.....

Anyway, like i said , its very subtle and very powerfull.

He uses this technique in a lot of his riffs...

for example: live with me,dancin with mr d, bitch,

Listen to the riff of hoochie coochie man... The first note, thats what i mean.
But dont take my word for it i dont care...

The riff on Bitch was played by Taylor.

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majesty, its in there! listen closely and youll hear. I bet you would notice if he played it differently.....

Anyway, like i said , its very subtle and very powerfull.

He uses this technique in a lot of his riffs...

for example: live with me,dancin with mr d, bitch,

Listen to the riff of hoochie coochie man... The first note, thats what i mean.
But dont take my word for it i dont care...

On what version? Keith's way of playing that riff has changed a lot throughout the years. His way of doing it now seems far more improvisational than ever before. He plays it so many different ways all within the same song/gig.

My understanding of what you describe doesn't match anything that's played on the studio version. The riff on there is played entirely differently to how they played it live though.



Edited 4 time(s). Last edit at 2008-04-04 20:31 by His Majesty.

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greates song (for me) ever.
Combines all for what rock´n´roll stands

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The best inspired version yet:






Give the high school guys some credit they tried!