>My amp is so small it could fit under my nuts (Then I could work as a foley artist in porn movies). I never had any idea what to look for in an amp. When I buy a new one at some point, I'll probably have to consult you..... :-)

JumpingKentFlash


God bless you.

My Stones Wrote:
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>
> I do know what I am talking about. YOU have no
> idea what you are talking about.

Aparently not, as you do not seem to have a clue about where tubes were made in the past, where they are made these days, and what the differences are between NOS and new tubes. You seem to not have a clue, and that's not my fault.

> Especially with
> Martin Guitars. I've worked hand in hand with the
> greatest. Steven Stills, Neil Young, James Taylor.
> Being a dealer I've sold hundeds and hundreds and
> I've also played hundreds 0f Martins.
> If you don't know anything about guitars please
> don't post. By the way you can't tell one tube
> from another. I'm not a fool.

I don't remember anymore what we disagreed on about Martin guitars. I do remeber my opinion on the tone of Martin guitars though: piano like, brilliant tone. Gibson acoustics: darker, boomier, bluesier. Please remind me again on what we disagreed on.

>
> And why do you always contridict yourself? You say
> that you can 'know the tubes' blindfolded in one
> post and then in the next you say you only know
> your own!

It seems you can't read. I said I can recognise all these tubes in my own amp, my very own Boogie. I then said I would have a much harder time recognizing the tubes in other amps, and I would fail to recognise even just one in a Marshall amp.


> mean another! And what the heck? With a guy with
> your vast knowledge and expertise, you should be
> famous internationally by now! But who are
> you????? Just a poster like the rest of us!!!!

Nope, I am just an amateur musician who loves to buy and try as much as possible gear. Check out on the lespaul and Telecaster forum, or the Plexe Palace: hundreds of guys just like me.

Mathijs

you still have a big ego for no reason at all

I have tried all these brands, and if you know
> your own amp well it's easy to tell the
> difference. I probably will not be able to tell
> the difference that easy in another amp,
> especially not with Marshall amps.
>
> Mathijs


Dear Mathijs,

You don't hear the difference with Marshall amps (I agree)
You do hear the difference with a Boogie though?
You are missing a great career in the tube-illusion trade.

1+1=3.





"Never argue with a fool,others might not hear the difference,or
he beats you on experience".

Hello Mathjis! MTfan is ordinary provocateur or he doesn`t know anything about tubes at all.
There exist statement that tubes have specs and that`s all.Of course those people don`t hear the sound properly.

benon again Wrote:
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> Hello Mathjis! MTfan is ordinary provocateur or
> he doesn`t know anything about tubes at all.
> There exist statement that tubes have specs and
> that`s all.Of course those people don`t hear the
> sound properly.


That's all what I am saying,Tubes have specs,that's what's it's all bout.
Same specks=Same sound,(maybe slightly different).
If somebody doesn't believe that,and in fact kicking the as of all the tube traders,please let me speak out my disbelieve?
Please don't call me an ordinary provocateur.


"Never argue with a fool,others might not hear the difference or he beats
you on experience".

Yes of course! It is like receipt for hamburger - 2 slices of bread , a piece of salad , a burger and some ketchup , evey hamburger had the same specs so don`t tell me you don`t like my hamburger , there is no difference between hamburgers , there is only one receipt and the same specs . i tell you you


funny thread
or somebody went crazy

Hi Hi, now you gonna compare guitartubes with Hamburgers?
You must be a professional.


"Never argue with a fool,others might not hear the difference or he beats
you on experience".

My Stones Wrote:
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> you still have a big ego for no reason at all

That might be, but at least I only join topics where I have a bit of knowledge.

Mathijs

MTFan Wrote:
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> I have tried all these brands, and if you know
> > your own amp well it's easy to tell the
> > difference. I probably will not be able to tell
>
> > the difference that easy in another amp,
> > especially not with Marshall amps.
> >
> > Mathijs
>
>
> Dear Mathijs,
>
> You don't hear the difference with Marshall amps
> (I agree)
> You do hear the difference with a Boogie though?
> You are missing a great career in the
> tube-illusion trade.
>
> 1+1=3.
>


I don't hear the difference in Marshall amps because 1) about all Marshall amps made since the mid-80's are, IMHO, horrible pieces of Chinese made junk, and they all sound the same: fuzzy, nasty, unpleasent, cheap, and 2) I don't have much experience with 'good' Marshall's like vintage 60's ones or modern hand-wired amps, and thus my ears aren't 'trained' or 'accustomed' to the sound of Marshall amps and 3) I am not a big fan of the sound of EL34 or EL84 tubes, and hence I am not an expert in any way on them.

The only EL34 based amp I ever had was a Boogie Mk III, which in my very humble opinion was a very bad sounding amp, and I had a Fargen Miniplex. That amp was fun, as you good put in any tube you wanted, and also mix tubes in any way. With this amp I could test some EL34 tubes, but I just don't like the Marshall type of overdrive. I sold the amp to buy a Zemaitis guitar.

I do hear the difference in tubes with a good Boogie Mk I or II amp, or with any low powered tweed amp, because both style of amps are reference amps for me. I have used these amps for so long and know them so well, that I can immediatly hear a difference when I change tubes.

Mathijs

MTFan Wrote:
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>
> That's all what I am saying,Tubes have
> specs,that's what's it's all bout.
> Same specks=Same sound,(maybe slightly
> different).

So in the end, finally we agree.

Tubes have specs. Same specs = same sound, different specs = different sound.

A Philips tube has different specs then a GE, and different then a Tung Sol, and then a SED, or a Sino, or a Sovtek, RCA and Sylvania or Svetlana.

As a the specs differ (heck, a Philips' output is 25 watts, a RCA 30 watts, and a Svetlana 35 watts), all these tubes will most likely differ just a bit in the sound they produce.

I guess even you would agree that a 25 watt Philips will sound very different in my Boogie (with its enourmous transformer, pumping out 475 volts to the grid) than a 35 watt Svetlana -a tube the Boogie Mk 1 and II amps were engineered on.

With my tweed deluxe I use JJ 6V6 tubes. If I replace a set with a new set, and bias the amp properly again, I will not hear a difference, other than that the dynamics of the new tubes will most likely be somewhat better than of the old, worn out tubes.

Mathijs

I'm sorry to inform you but Marshall amps I've always understood them to be built in Bletchley near Milton Keynes.

[www.marshallamps.com]

NickB

You can't always get what you want.....

www.myspace.com/thesonkings

Mathijs Wrote:
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> MTFan Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > That's all what I am saying,Tubes have
> > specs,that's what's it's all bout.
> > Same specks=Same sound,(maybe slightly
> > different).
>
> So in the end, finally we agree.
>
> Tubes have specs. Same specs = same sound,
> different specs = different sound.
>
> A Philips tube has different specs then a GE, and
> different then a Tung Sol, and then a SED, or a
> Sino, or a Sovtek, RCA and Sylvania or Svetlana.
>
> As a the specs differ (heck, a Philips' output is
> 25 watts, a RCA 30 watts, and a Svetlana 35
> watts), all these tubes will most likely differ
> just a bit in the sound they produce.
>
> I guess even you would agree that a 25 watt
> Philips will sound very different in my Boogie
> (with its enourmous transformer, pumping out 475
> volts to the grid) than a 35 watt Svetlana -a tube
> the Boogie Mk 1 and II amps were engineered on.
>
> With my tweed deluxe I use JJ 6V6 tubes. If I
> replace a set with a new set, and bias the amp
> properly again, I will not hear a difference,
> other than that the dynamics of the new tubes will
> most likely be somewhat better than of the old,
> worn out tubes.
>
> Mathijs

Yes ,as far as amplification is concerned... like i said in my first message;25 Watt 35 watt etc.
The volts to the grid you can adjust if you want,MK3 is a famous "tubekiller"

NickB Wrote:
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> I'm sorry to inform you but Marshall amps I've
> always understood them to be built in Bletchley
> near Milton Keynes.
>
> [www.marshallamps.com]
> d-map.pdf

I'm sure Mathijs is referring to the "ingredients" that are used since the 80's.
Potentiometers, transformers, caps, sockets, switches....etc
they are too expensive today, if produced in the UK.
The build and assembly of course is done in Bletchley.

NickB Wrote:
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> I'm sorry to inform you but Marshall amps I've
> always understood them to be built in Bletchley
> near Milton Keynes.


Marshall was one of the first amp manufacturers to source material from China. Starting in the early 90's the amps were assembled in the UK from parts that were 90% sourced in China, and also the cabinets were made in the UK.

Vox moved a big part big part of production to China, and I believe Vox started a copperation with marshall in China. I understood (but I am not sure) that the cheaper valvestate and tube amps are now not assembled in the UK anymore, but in the Chinese Vox factory (where all the cheap tube amps, like those from Epiphone or sourced from). Vox is very clear and open about their China production, but Marshall isn't. From what I understand is that Marshall amps now made in the UK are mainly the expensive high-end hand-wired line of amps.

I personally feel all Marshall amps since the JCM 800 are absolutely horrendous. About all components are cheap Chinese -the caps, tubes, PCB, sockets, eveything, and these days the amps sound terrible. I (have to) use their JCM 2000 once in a while, and the best thing you can do with that amp is to throw beer in it.

Mathijs

My Stones Wrote:
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> you still have a big ego for no reason at all


If you also want to have an ego, here's two articles for you to read. Build up some knowledge!

[www.tonequest.com]
[www.legendarytones.com]

Mathijs

I personally feel all Marshall amps since the JCM 800 are absolutely horrendous. About all components are cheap Chinese -the caps, tubes, PCB, sockets, eveything, and these days the amps sound terrible. I (have to) use their JCM 2000 once in a while, and the best thing you can do with that amp is to throw beer in it.

Mathijs:

I saw Jeff Beck recently playing live on JCM 800,and his sound was great.(as always)
Send your last message to Jeff Beck...he will sit at your feet an listen..

MTFan Wrote:
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> I saw Jeff Beck recently playing live on JCM
> 800,and his sound was great.(as always)
> Send your last message to Jeff Beck...he will sit
> at your feet an listen..


So you know that Jeff Beck was playing through a stock JCM 800, or what?

Mathijs Wrote:
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> My Stones Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > you still have a big ego for no reason at all
>
>
> If you also want to have an ego, here's two
> articles for you to read. Build up some
> knowledge!
>
> [www.tonequest.com]
> [www.legendarytones.com]
>
> Mathijs


I don't have to. I know what I'm talking about. I just don't make up this as I write. Your comments on Martin guitars are rediculous. I guess you never played one.

open-g Wrote:
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> MTFan Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > I saw Jeff Beck recently playing live on JCM
> > 800,and his sound was great.(as always)
> > Send your last message to Jeff Beck...he will
> sit
> > at your feet an listen..
>
>
> So you know that Jeff Beck was playing through a
> stock JCM 800, or what?


I think sow yes, Ik have no X-ray eyes though..there is not
sow much to customize in the amp ,the speakers will be customisedI assume.
Thats what makes stock Marshall amps affordable:Cheap speakers..
Almost every professional guitar or bass player invests 50% of the budget
in speakers..(this is also well known in hi-end audio,speakers are at least 50%
the budget)
and Jeff Beck surely doesn't need "good" tubes to get his sound.





Don't you like JBeck?

>>I think sow yes, Ik have no X-ray eyes though..there is not
sow much to customize in the amp ,the speakers will be customisedI assume.
Thats what makes stock Marshall amps affordable:Cheap speakers.. <<

You think so, yet you don't know - neither do I.
as far as customizing Marshall amps - read this: [www.legendarytones.com]

>>and Jeff Beck surely doesn't need "good" tubes to get his sound.<<

well he doesn't need bad tubes either.
don't you think Beck has a personal tech to take care of his equipment?
I assume a good tech is quite aware of what sounds good - otherwise it may be his last job.

...and no, I'm not much into Jeff Beck's music.

>You think so, yet you don't know - neither do I.
as far as customizing Marshall amps - read this: [www.legendarytones.com]

That's really too much to read,but thank you.

>well he doesn't need bad tubes either.
don't you think Beck has a personal tech to take care of his equipment?
I assume a good tech is quite aware of what sounds good - otherwise it may be his last job.

I think you underestimate the speakers,and..the cabinet.
What makes a good (acoustic guitar) make sound good?..The wood & the body is made of..(and the neck)
Imagine the sound of a plastic or synthetic body?
Same for cabinets,I bet players like JBeck,Steve Lukather) ( and MTaylor in his stonesperiod) pay attention to this!
Good tubes last longer than bad tubes..thats the main difference.

MTFan Wrote:
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> I saw Jeff Beck recently playing live on JCM
> 800,and his sound was great.(as always)

I said: since the JCM800. I find the JCM800 the last good Marshall amp if your looking for AC/DC or GnR type of hard rock sound. A Tele through a cranked JCM800 is actually very nice.

As far as I know, Jeff Beck uses stock JCM800's and stock cabs with Celestion V30 speakers.

I personally find Jeff Beck a totally uninteresting player. Yes, he is one of the best ever, yes he can play better than all of us with only his little toe on his left feed, but I just don't like anything he ever played. All this wiggling with the tremelo, all those pinched harmonics, all this squeeling -just play a SONG Jeff, please... He's in the league of Steve Vai, Satriani, Malmsteen: all terrific technical players, but they just bore me to death with all that technical noodling.

> Send your last message to Jeff Beck...he will sit
> at your feet an listen..

I have my opinion of good sound, and Beck clearly got his. I do not adjust my opinion on how succesful somebody is. I find those high gain Mesa/Boogie triple rectifier amps absolutely terrible sounding amps. I find Paul Reed Smith guitars terribly boring and dull. But, there's a very vital, billion dollar industry of American rock/punk/grunge bands playing PRS guitars through Boogie rectifier amps. That's not a reason for me to adjust my opinion what I find good sounding.

Mathijs

My Stones Wrote:
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> I don't have to. I know what I'm talking about. I
> just don't make up this as I write.

Well, you appeared to not know anything about tubes. You might be an expert, but you didn't come accross as one.

> Your comments
> on Martin guitars are rediculous. I guess you
> never played one.

Please point out what comments exactly were rediculous.

Mathijs

>I personally find Jeff Beck a totally uninteresting player. Yes, he is one of the best ever, yes he can play better than all of us with only his little toe on his left feed, but I just don't like anything he ever played. All this wiggling with the tremelo, all those pinched harmonics, all this squeeling -just play a SONG Jeff, please... He's in the league of Steve Vai, Satriani, Malmsteen: all terrific technical players, but they just bore me to death with all that technical noodling.

Your statements about the guitarplayers you mention says a lot about you as
a listener.

I have never heard Jeff Beck playing a sixteenth note or an altered scale..
he is not a technical player at all,let alone him doing technical noodling.


When are you going to learn your first musical basics?

MTFan Wrote:
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> I have never heard Jeff Beck playing a sixteenth
> note or an altered scale..
> he is not a technical player at all,let alone him
> doing technical noodling.

You're really weird.





Ever listened to that dreadful jazz fusion things he did in the 70s? If only he ever played an UNaltered scale on those records!

Mathijs

Sonic diarrhea:





Mathijs

>>he is not a technical player at all,let alone him doing technical noodling. <<

well if that's not tech noodling - tell what is.


ouch, those youtube vids hurt.

>Ever listened to that dreadful jazz fusion things he did in the 70s? If only he ever played an UNaltered scale on those records!

"Wired" is considered one of the best jazzrockalbums ever.

Oh yes,he played two whole tone scale in 3 minutes..
I like him a lot.

I bet he screwed the other guitarplayer,wouldnt you?

open-g Wrote:
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> >>he is not a technical player at all,let alone
> him doing technical noodling. <<
>
> well if that's not tech noodling - tell what is.
>
>
> ouch, those youtube vids hurt.


He is a smooth blues-rockplayer, a bit jazzy influence,and with a handy fingerpicking technic.
I must admit the utubevideo is not the best I have heard him do.

Why do you think MJagger wanted him for his solo tour?(J.Beck refused)
His slide on "lets work" is very "dirty".I bet Mick Taylor(one of my bluesfavourits) whil grin when he listens to it.