...what? Having played in a close rehearsal room and on an outdoor stage, I'm partial to the sound you get in a literal basement.

That being said, I still think that Jimmy Miller got Charlie close to perfection on the HTW single. How did he do that, and why has no one else even come close? It sounds completely natural, at least to my ears.

To me, it's the benchmark for Charlie's recorded sound. Jeez, that was 38 years ago. Ever since then, the sound of a recorded drum kit has undergone numerous permutations, enhancements, and attempted sonic improvements, all for naught. Now, few folks know what real acoustic drums sound like. I remember. Cymbals, especially, have suffered in recording. Call me an old-timer, as I am, but what the hell is it with this over-production of a simple drum kit?

i think artists and producers go overboard with multi tracking, recording every little part on a seperate track. i think the music looses it's warmth in the process

Well said, you are absolutely right, this is 1969 and in relation to these days the studios were totaly primitive.
But you will never here a more pure drum sound than that.

Charlie's drumming and the sound is Tremendous on Beast Of Burden studio version.

theres been other good sounds over the years since the "big four era".

I like what he did on Goats Head Soup and IORR on songs like "Dance little sister" and ATPTB and of course the excellent sound of Black n Blue.



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Now, let me admit that I'm deliberately usurping an earlier post on Charlie's drum sound. What's happened is the producers of the records wanna replace the natural drum sound with this modernized pish-pish smack-smack boom-boom that is plainly horrid, but supposedly sounds good on an Ipod. I don't know -- I don't own an Ipod.

The drum sound on HTW is great, but some of the early albums captured it well also. Aftermath is worth a listen! The late 80's - early 90's souped up drum sound just grates on my ears - Dirty Work and Steel Wheels barely sound like Charlie.

If you love live drum sound in a rock setting, try to find the older CD's of AC/DC's Back in Black or For Those ABout to Rock albums. Not the George Marino/Ted Jensen remasters, but the older CD's. It is just amazing.

Hey drbryant. When I saw the title of this thread, I immediately thought of Back In Black! The sound Mutt Lange got on that album as well as Highway To Hell and Those About To Rock is awesome.
Also thought about Zeppelin 4, in particular When The Levee Breaks.

bassplayer617 Wrote:
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> ...what? Having played in a close rehearsal room
> and on an outdoor stage, I'm partial to the sound
> you get in a literal basement.
>
> That being said, I still think that Jimmy Miller
> got Charlie close to perfection on the HTW single.
> How did he do that, and why has no one else even
> come close? It sounds completely natural, at least
> to my ears.
>

Hard to disagree really.
I don't think it's for nothing that it's often been called "the best drum sound ever recorded"..and that's not just the opinion of Stones fans.

For me is from the record "Some Girls". As for the latter albums, most of "Bridges To Babylon" is very well recorded, drumwise. The proze for the worst drum sound EVER by anyone goes to the record "Dirty Work".

Charlie is very powerful in Hold Back, not one of their best songs but still great drums.

Great drums, but the sound is not so good IMO.

HTW, All Down The Line, and the Chess stuff do it for me as far as Charlie goes.

I'll have to think about my all-time favorite one, though there's a good chance I already mentioned it in this post.

a drumkit is actually quite difficult to record in a balanced way, at least in a full multitrack set-up as opposed to a few room mikes. So it's no surprise that with the decline of the studios--and with them, trained & experienced engineers--and the advent of protools at home, drum sounds should suffer. To paraphrase something keith's said about Fender guitars, recording technology is unusual in that the old technology has not been improved upon, in terms of final results, and new technologies only try to recapture those results in more economical ways.

I like the Glyn Johns setup.
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Almost hear you sigh has a great sound

TATTOO YOU----I just love the drum sound in the entire album...sounds GREAT.

Abbey Road - George Martin, producer.

the black and blue album. duh.

*everybody need a little help sometime!*

Voodoo Lounge or A Bang and PLEASE don't say Some Girls

Stones: Sway - Give it a good listen!
Non-Stones: Jimi Hendrix Experience - Fire (Mitch Mitchell)

Black & Blue

My Stones Wrote:
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> Voodoo Lounge or A Bang and PLEASE don't say
> Some Girls


Agree with you there.

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I think Andy Johns did a great job on Tumbling Dice, Torn & Frayed and Loving Cup, but the best drum sound was achieved by Chris Kimsey. Beast of Burden, Whip, Dance, She's So Cold, Start Me Up are the best examples. Listen for the Some Girls outtakes for the best snare sound ever.

Mathijs