chavostone Wrote:
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> Yeah , now all the big things are for nothing ,
> its all fuked by now , we just have the stones ,
> Chuck berry , Buddy Guy , Eric Clapton , The Who ,
> and sometimes youll catch Jeff Beck , BBKing or
> any rockstar playing with some other guys at a bar
> or that kind of stuff ( i dont count u2 , or that
> stuff , theyre not rock bands.)ACDC also is not up
> on stage again.
> Maybe we have another chance , the real music can
> be back in 5 years or so if God comes from Heaven
> and He tells all the people whats the big deal ,
> that would be a big miracle .
> Im 13 and I have the honor of not being included
> in those groups of guys with their punk and hip
> hop ass-sukers stuff , im a rockboy , I would like
> to get something like the men we got in the
> 60-70-80's like Led Zep , Queen , Beatles , Jimi
> hendrix , Doors ; NOW , any intent of being so
> good in guitar and doing perfect songs , we always
> wont get anything , actually , you just have to do
> some easy riffs and you have a big hit , i dont
> like that , because it aint so spiritual and
> doesnt look so magnificent , people here in Mexico
> : example: A girl wrote on youtube that when she
> saw the mtvla awards and she saw "panda" a very
> famous band here, she said it was the best fking
> day in her life , i was going to laugh , lets put
> some originalm dvds of the stones playing live ,
> they have the spirit , the happiness , they have
> the big thing on them , theyre the best ones ,
> even when theyre drunk on stage and they forget
> the chords , so , WHAT!"!"!" , now , i think just
> like a 10% of people in the world seem to care
> about it , now , it is all shit , shit , shit
> Someone has to do something , this is the time
> for changing something , i think we all agree that
> we dont want to listen Honky Tonk Women , Brown
> Sugar or Tumbling Dice everyshow , right??
> we need the new stuff and the never played stuff
> .
> All this is about to get lost in the world , the
> rocknroll and all of its fans and everything is
> going to get sent to the fk
> Im sorry about this , but if no one comes up
> againa as old bands did , this will be over ,
> totally over in just a few years...........
> its gone! cant believe it !


Nice rant except totally untrue. 13 years is too young to be a nostalgic old man. Get your head out of your ass, there is plenty of good music right in front of you, it only takes a bit of effort to actually find it.

im not a nostalgic old man , i have a big bootlegs collection , i talk in the words like "we" because mostly of people here are about 40 years old or around it , and yes , theres a lot of good music , but theyll never impact me as the 1st time I listened to the stones or good people like that

Yo, Chavostone makes a lot of sense - he's basically correct on his many points, I dig that.... Buen Trabajo Mi Amigo Mexicano, Viva del Rock and Roll grande !!!

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Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2007-12-20 04:32 by Lukester.

I like to think of it this way. The west has been a melting pot now for a while and the more ingredients in the stew , the richer the taste, if done right. In the sixties, you had blacks and whites, and really the blacks got the ball rolling with rock, just took the whites (read: record companies, promotors) to bring it into our homes via t.v. , records. Blacks didn't have the money or means to promote themselves at that time so the whites stole their music, and called it rock n roll. It was new and tribal, 2 things that resonate with teens and older people too. We can only be so tribal, how many versions of a rockbeat can you come up with and use over and over?
So now we have a new America of every ethnicity on the planet, a money hungry corporate system that has ruined the industry by saturating it with mtv, continuous cable and satellite. PEOPLE ARE BORED BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN DROWNED IN MEDIA HIPHOPCUNTRYPUNKBLUEJAZZRAPETCETC.Maybe there isn't much left to do, you ever think all the best things have been invented? Look at coke, kentucky chicken, these are from the same era, and even they are always trying to add things that come and go to draw people in, just like rock music. But there are bands out there that if you try hard, you will find, may not be stadium fillers but stadium concerts suck anyways anymore, can't standup, can't smoke, can't do @#$%& all .
r u getting any of this??

"AHA , which are those bands???
tell me , theyve played on big places , at least Fleet Center or that kind of stuff?? , we listen about and to them on the radio , tv , or friends at least one time by week??
NO , SIR , WE DONT "


And where did the Stones start? Wembley Stadium? No tiny clubs up and down the country......

Tons of good new bands out there, they're just not getting any radio play. The Hives, Chesterfield Kings, Len Price 3, The Stabilizers, White Stripes, The Strokes, The Thrills. I could go on and on. Screw the arenas, stadiums and theaters. Stick to the clubs, cheaper, better vibe, drinks easy to get.

Rock aint dead, it's just castrated. The only thing that seperated the Stones from the rest of the pack is the the fact that they had balls. They had the balls to give people the kinda music they wanted to hear, instead of the pre-packaged bullshit being forced down their throat. You old timers can't honestly say you wanted the Beatles to hold your hand..we all know you wanted the Midnight Rambler to shove his knife down your throat instead. The Stones had the balls to take themselves to where they are.

The corporations were just as greedy and controlling as they are now- nothing has changed in that department. But the Stones had the balls to bring them down a notch or two, and put what really mattered in the forefront. Of course, they also had the talent and skill to succeed, but big fat balls are just as important.

People today don't want Justin Timberlake to bring sexy back- they want Metallica to kill 'em all etc. etc. etc. Same as in the '60s.

What I see today is the most horrible image one can see- a bunch of pansies running around with no balls. The bands these days have the rock and roll look (a.k.a Keith Richards')- they got the hair, they got the makeup, they got the cigarettes and tight pants, but they don't have what really matters- BALLS. The Stones are the epitome of rock and roll because they showed us just how far 3 chords and a pair of balls will get you.

Our dear friend Keef said it best, "Rock and Roll is from the waist down". So the master himself thinks rock and roll will last forever and I agree. You geezers can remember all those phony bands the Stone's had to compete with, right? It's all the same. Just wait for me and my friend to start our band, we got nice balls and know 3 chords- hopefully one day this excellent community will migrate over to our fan club and complain about our set lists on our 100th world tour and ask this same question when we're about to croak.

(How many times did I say balls?)



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2007-12-21 01:34 by La Mano Nera.

....No offense people, we are all entitled to our opinions of course, but this thread has some of the most bull sh!t I've ever read on this forum. I'm outta here. See you later.

Hell, it's been dead for years to me.

I can't remember the last new "rock" album I purchased. If I buy rock CDs, they are old stuff reissued.

You listen to Let It Bleed and you realize it ain't NEVER, EVER gonna be like that again. I do believe it is dying...fast.

it's simply that every generation thinks the younger generation's music is crap

i feckin hate hiphop.

its tuneless, thoughtless and crap.

hopefully this type of music isnt the future of popular music worldwide.

chavostone Wrote:
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> theres a lot of good music ,
> but theyll never impact me as the 1st time I
> listened to the stones or good people like that

You are absolutely correct. Rock as a style of music may continue indefinitely, but I'm afraid that it is an empty shell. A perfect example are the bands who continue to play "punk rock." It looks like punk, it sounds like punk, but it has absolutely none of the cultural relevance. Sad.

ghostryder13 Wrote:
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> it's simply that every generation thinks the
> younger generation's music is crap


No , its not generations , im 13 , and i dont like actual shit
i love real rocknroll , intelligent people are the ones that know what is crap

ablett Wrote:
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> "AHA , which are those bands???
> tell me , theyve played on big places , at least
> Fleet Center or that kind of stuff?? , we listen
> about and to them on the radio , tv , or friends
> at least one time by week??
> NO , SIR , WE DONT "
>
>
> And where did the Stones start? Wembley Stadium?
> No tiny clubs up and down the country......


No , they didnt start at wembley , they started at the marquee , they already got to Copacabana , but tell me , how much time those bands have been playing , I dont think theyll ever reach Fleet Center as I said

who cares? smaller venues are better anyways.

yeah , but the main thing is who is going to be our heroes now'???
this is desperating , dont you think so??

chavostone Wrote:
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> yeah , but the main thing is who is going to be
> our heroes now'???

Boys need heroes, men don't.

> this is desperating , dont you think so??

No. Few bands filling arenas is a good thing. But I understand some people still need the validation of the masses. I remember what it was like to be 13.

I dont care if someone new plays in big places or not , i want new rocknroll stuff as we know it , new guys who could be as good as any of the bands we all like



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2007-12-22 03:05 by chavostone.

every era has its pro's and cons. The stones legacy will Live on long after theyre gone. Just enjoy it. You know what you like, thats all that matters. Billy Joel sang in his song "Keeping The Faith" : " The good old days werent always good, and tommorow aint as bad as it seems". Just remember that.

Let's just be grateful that the 1980s are over....

yeah, the hair and pants alone just werent working then. really dreadful.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2007-12-22 03:36 by ryanpow.

actually the late 80's music is not as bad as what's on the airwaves as of late

Erik_Snow Wrote:
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> Let's just be grateful that the 1980s are over....

come on Eric, I know you still spin that Flock of Seagulls, Thompson Twins, and Right Said Fred vinyls!!!!

I agree with Keith "Rap Is Crap"!! And I'm sure those looks between Ronnie and Keith during "Anybody Seen My Baby" when Mick and Bernard would "rap" wasnt approval. On another note the boot dvds I've seen of Van Halen's new tour looks like rock aint dead yet!

Well , CONCLUSION: Rocknroll is sleeping right now , let it sleep and dont bother it , it will wake up!!
haha

spikey Wrote:
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> chavostone Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > theres a lot of good music ,
> > but theyll never impact me as the 1st time I
> > listened to the stones or good people like that
>
> You are absolutely correct. Rock as a style of
> music may continue indefinitely, but I'm afraid
> that it is an empty shell. A perfect example are
> the bands who continue to play "punk rock." It
> looks like punk, it sounds like punk, but it has
> absolutely none of the cultural relevance. Sad.


yeah, thats it. and thats pssibly also the reason why newer Stones albums sound flat in comparison. times have changed, the sound is still there, but it simply does not move you like the old stuff when it came out. and concerts restricted to family-friendly entertainment shows with a mass-friendly greatest hits setlist dont help either. the edge is gone. the danger. the true excitement. it does not mean that its bad, but...

Rock n Roll died in 1958. Its evolved into different things and shouldnt be called rock. What it has evolved into is not allways to my taste, some good some bad. Depends on the listener. Its not my time anymore, so the younger ones will find their own niche and call it what they like, good for them. Cassical music gave way to Jazz gave way to Blues gave way to Rock n Roll gave way to R&B and so on, and however you define it. But the euphoria that exploded by the flappers of the 20s, the Sinatra bobby soxers of the 40s, Beatlemania etc of the 60s and so on will again come round for a new generation with new sounds. Dont know what it will be or what it will be called, but it will happen as the world and its values reshapes itself. My view only and based on past history.

rock is only dead if you think it is