Yeah, charmed, I got some tickets for Atlanta in April.

And I agree, ryan, that "Living In The Future" captures a "10th Avenue" vibe.

Stunner of a post, beely...

The problem here is that six new songs should not account for 1/3 of the show.The new songs should account for a quarter of the concert.They could play six new songs and 16 to 20 non-new songs.That's actually what they used to do for a while.The shrinking set list is causing songs to be forced out.First on the ABB tour they played four new songs but,not enough rare catalog songs.By the end,they added more catalog songs at the expense of the ABB songs.19 or even 20 songs are not enough to cover all of the ground.They should have a two show per week limit and go back to 25 songs per show.

Elmo Lewis Wrote:
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> Yeah, charmed, I got some tickets for Atlanta in
> April.
>
> And I agree, ryan, that "Living In The Future"
> captures a "10th Avenue" vibe.


Cool Elmo. I'm looking forward to hitting a couple of more shows in CA....And I most cetrtainly agree with you and ryanpow. Livin in the Future is the best tune on Magic.

"It's just some friends of mine and they're busting down the door"

LA FORUM Wrote:
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> the Last Time was good in Canada 1997 (one of Mick's best performances ever).

Which show in Canada 1997?

I have been a Stones fan from the beginning and have never been able to place any other bands even close to my feelings for them...until

...October this year when I went on a City break to New York with my eldest son. The Boss was playing MSG and I was fortunate enough to get a couple of tickets from a New Yorker on the Backstreets fan site. I bought the Magic CD prior to my visit, listened and enjoyed it immensely. When we went to the gig it was refreshing to hear him play 7 or 8 songs from Magic.

I think his band is superb and he is a mastercraftsman. There was no fancy stage, it was all about him, the band, the vibe and the songs.

In a nutshell, I'm hooked and have just scored 2 tics for the Emirates on 30th May and am waiting till tomorrow for Manchester tickets.

The Stones are still number 1 because of my love affair with them for 40 years but this guy is getting closer and I will still go and see the Stones next time... but please change it, be brave and step outside of the comfort zone.

(1) Um, Springteens last big tour has embarrassing reports re: empty seats.

(2) FrankM = correct re 5-6 new songs plus oldies plus obscure

(3) Springsteen is a big phony who is the so-called "blue collar worker's" true man yet do4sn;t walk-the-ealk. Please give me a break re: all this adoration.
(Plus he hates cops)

aslecs Wrote:
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> (1) Um, Springteens last big tour has embarrassing
> reports re: empty seats.
>
> (2) FrankM = correct re 5-6 new songs plus oldies
> plus obscure
>
> (3) Springsteen is a big phony who is the
> so-called "blue collar worker's" true man yet
> do4sn;t walk-the-ealk. Please give me a break re:
> all this adoration.
> (Plus he hates cops)

where would be without the resident karl rove of rock putting his one cent in; not even two cents...none of this true; kinda like most of what you have to say...Springsteen's cultural social and political efforts of heart and courage and the subject matter of the album offends you and you are too chickenhawkshit to say it, but you are so transparent. irrelevant, but transparent. a real good hater tho...your boy trashed the country; springsteen sings about it all over the world and has a number one album and is doint fantasically well and you're just gonna have to swallow that...your side of the aisle is good at that anyway...don't go away bitter baby, just go away. Your exacatly the kind of thug he is exposing to the world and it kills you...and makes me happy...

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> > (Plus he hates cops)


yay! the old misinformed brain-dead reactionary shite thats been exposed on here and elsewhere countless times already.

(2) FrankM = correct re 5-6 new songs plus oldies plus obscure


why should he care what a Stones fan who hates his guts and doesnt go to his shows think about how he should pace a show? It works for him and is working for his audience whether you like it or not.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2007-12-04 18:15 by Gazza.

Tell me what you really mean. You use really big words

Except for a few guys who keep putting their heads in the Stones their asses whatever they do, I am pleased and surprised by by far most of the fans their reactions.
Constructive critical.
But it also becomes pretty clear the Stones don't listen much to these fans.
No opening of the vaults, no interesting set litst.

Come on Stones, stop being just a amusing nostalgia act, get off your lazy asses, challgenge yourselves and listen to the fans !

The problem is that:

1. They are lazy

2. keith can barely play anymore so they go down the path of least resistance (see #1 above)

OPEN THE VAULTS AND WE WILL FORGIVE THE BORING SETLISTS, ANYONE WITH ME ON THAT?

To be honest I think some of you people just like to whine. It seems like it's the same people that bounce from thread to thread and criticize everything The Stones do. There is nothing wrong with constructive criticism like the posts from Gazza, but with some people it seems like The Stones can do nothing right. And no I don't have my head up the ass of The Stones as I clearly stated they should play four or five new songs per night. And also mix in more classics as others have pointed out. But god forbid you criticize and question the great almighty Bruce Springsteen and state that he plays too many new songs. The Stones are the only ones that can be criticized.

It's time some of you people like Lynn and Barn Owl "fessed up" and admit you are just malcontents when it comes to the band and nothing The Stones do will ever please you.

Gazza Wrote:
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> aslecs Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > > (Plus he hates cops)
>
>
> yay! the old misinformed brain-dead reactionary
> shite thats been exposed on here and elsewhere
> countless times already.
>
> (2) FrankM = correct re 5-6 new songs plus oldies
> plus obscure
>
>
> why should he care what a Stones fan who hates his
> guts and doesnt go to his shows think about how he
> should pace a show? It works for him and is
> working for his audience whether you like it or
> not.

I don't hate Springsteen. I have quite a few of his albums (mostly on vinyl or cassette) but I haven't listened to them in years and have only one cd (the greatest hits album from 1995?). I would even consider seeing him in concert if I thought he would play more than three songs that I as a casual fan would recognize.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2007-12-05 00:32 by FrankM.

That’s not it, is it? It’s not the patina -- Isn’t it the ethos? Isn’t it the juxtaposition of who they were and who they are? Aren’t they playing to both – the masses and the elite. Who do they bow to? No one it seems. And that’s the crux. They are a metaphor, harkening back and pushing forward what will hopefully work. What was once transcendent is what? Good? Great? Inspiring?

Are they still seminal? Can they still be? Ah, the questions of the day. Is the inner bravado still there? They were once so perfidious but how are they perceived today? Are they too guarded?
What is next?

Just come home from Springsteen's concert in Oslo, Norway. Great show. The E- Street Band is a fabulous band, perhaps too fabulous. They sound almost too perfect and polished for me, I prefer it more dirty and raw. But then, Springsteen's voice is as strong and dirty as ever.

FrankM Wrote:
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> Gazza Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > aslecs Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > > (Plus he hates cops)
> >
> >
> > yay! the old misinformed brain-dead reactionary
> > shite thats been exposed on here and elsewhere
> > countless times already.
> >
> > (2) FrankM = correct re 5-6 new songs plus
> oldies
> > plus obscure
> >
> >
> > why should he care what a Stones fan who hates
> his
> > guts and doesnt go to his shows think about how
> he
> > should pace a show? It works for him and is
> > working for his audience whether you like it or
> > not.
>
> I don't hate Springsteen. I have quite a few of
> his albums (mostly on vinyl or cassette) but I
> haven't listened to them in years and have only
> one cd (the greatest hits album from 1995?). I
> would even consider seeing him in concert if I
> thought he would play more than three songs that I
> as a casual fan would recognize.


It was aslecs I was answering Frank. I'm aware you considered yourself no more than a 'casual fan'.

Tonights show in Oslo included No Surrender, Jackson Cage, Shes The One, Promised Land, Working on the highway, Tunnel of love, Cadillac Ranch, Badlands, Born to Run and Dancing In The Dark.

I'm sure youd recognise most of them. Cheers.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2007-12-05 01:30 by Gazza.

FrankM Wrote:
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> To be honest I think some of you people just like
> to whine. It seems like it's the same people that
> bounce from thread to thread and criticize
> everything The Stones do. There is nothing wrong
> with constructive criticism like the posts from
> Gazza, but with some people it seems like The
> Stones can do nothing right. And no I don't have
> my head up the ass of The Stones as I clearly
> stated they should play four or five new songs per
> night. And also mix in more classics as others
> have pointed out. But god forbid you criticize and
> question the great almighty Bruce Springsteen and
> state that he plays too many new songs. The Stones
> are the only ones that can be criticized.
>
> It's time some of you people like Lynn and Barn
> Owl "fessed up" and admit you are just malcontents
> when it comes to the band and nothing The Stones
> do will ever please you.


Frank, you seem to be quite well practiced in the art of putting your foot very firmly into your mouth, and then squealing very loudly when others happen to disagree with you, or tread on a raw nerve (as Logie seemed to accidentally do).

Further still, your attempts at offering what you describe as "constructive criticism" don't seem to add up.

After all, you seem happy to say in one breath how much you like the new ABB songs and how you'd love to see them played live, yet in another, you then go about lambasting anyone in sight (including myself) simply because we would prefer to see a few more than your own acceptable tolerance level of just four songs.

Just as ludicrous are your claims at actually liking Bruce Springsteen, as if, by this very premise, it somehow provides you with the "voice of reason" with which to pour ridicule and scorn over the guy simply because he fails to fit in with your own personal identikit ideal of how, what and who you would prefer him to be. In Frank's world, nine new songs is simply too many and the guy must be a tosser. No debate. End of. No "voice of reason" offered as to the possibility that Springsteen fans (weened on varied setlists and new material) are relishing all these contemporaneous gems from his No.1 album. Or, more to the point, that genuine Rolling Stones fans (from the same planet BTW) might also like to see similarly structured setlists.

Of course not. Instead, we get the utterly childish notion that even life-long, die-hard fans daring to question the Stones, simply do so for the love of it, without reason or premise.

Why? Because in Frank's world, everything must be exactly as he sees it. No debate.

Just as Frank likes it.

At last - Springsteen is finally coming to Wales! It's only taken him over 30 years, but only an hour and a half until tickets go on sale. Doubly good news in that there are standing tickets as well - I hate sitting down at gigs!

Barn Owl Wrote:
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> FrankM Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > To be honest I think some of you people just
> like
> > to whine. It seems like it's the same people
> that
> > bounce from thread to thread and criticize
> > everything The Stones do. There is nothing
> wrong
> > with constructive criticism like the posts from
> > Gazza, but with some people it seems like The
> > Stones can do nothing right. And no I don't
> have
> > my head up the ass of The Stones as I clearly
> > stated they should play four or five new songs
> per
> > night. And also mix in more classics as others
> > have pointed out. But god forbid you criticize
> and
> > question the great almighty Bruce Springsteen
> and
> > state that he plays too many new songs. The
> Stones
> > are the only ones that can be criticized.
> >
> > It's time some of you people like Lynn and Barn
> > Owl "fessed up" and admit you are just
> malcontents
> > when it comes to the band and nothing The
> Stones
> > do will ever please you.
>
>
> Frank, you seem to be quite well practiced in the
> art of putting your foot very firmly into your
> mouth, and then squealing very loudly when others
> happen to disagree with you, or tread on a raw
> nerve (as Logie seemed to accidentally do).
>
> Further still, your attempts at offering what you
> describe as "constructive criticism" don't seem to
> add up.
>
> After all, you seem happy to say in one breath how
> much you like the new ABB songs and how you'd love
> to see them played live, yet in another, you then
> go about lambasting anyone in sight (including
> myself) simply because we would prefer to see a
> few more than your own acceptable tolerance level
> of just four songs.


I usually only lambast the people like you that constantly moan, gripe and complain. Of course some criticism of the band is warranted as I agree they didn't play enough ABB songs during the tour and grossly neglected the album towards the end of the tour. Yes I want to hear ABB songs but we are not dealing with a band like The Fray here. They have more to offer than their latest album. That's why imo four or five new songs per show would be a good mix.


> Just as ludicrous are your claims at actually
> liking Bruce Springsteen, as if, by this very
> premise, it somehow provides you with the "voice
> of reason" with which to pour ridicule and scorn
> over the guy simply because he fails to fit in
> with your own personal identikit ideal of how,
> what and who you would prefer him to be. In
> Frank's world, nine new songs is simply too many
> and the guy must be a tosser. No debate. End of.
> No "voice of reason" offered as to the possibility
> that Springsteen fans (weened on varied setlists
> and new material) are relishing all these
> contemporaneous gems from his No.1 album. Or, more
> to the point, that genuine Rolling Stones fans
> (from the same planet BTW) might also like to see
> similarly structured setlists.


Oh so now you are telling me what I like and don't like. What do you have a video camera on me 24/7? You know what is in my record collection? And just how do you know this? Did you call one of those psychic hotlines to find out my musical tastes? And when did I scorn Springsteen? I simply said he plays too many new songs imo. That's not scorn. Lighten up buddy boy.


> Of course not. Instead, we get the utterly
> childish notion that even life-long, die-hard fans
> daring to question the Stones, simply do so for
> the love of it, without reason or premise.
>
> Why? Because in Frank's world, everything must be
> exactly as he sees it. No debate.
>
> Just as Frank likes it.


Of course you can question The Stones but there are a handful of people like you that complain so much you might as well start a whine and cheese club lol.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2007-12-05 23:59 by FrankM.

I guess that the "too many new songs" argument is valid if you just dont know them - but with the price of a CD being a tiny fraction of that of a concert ticket (especially in the US, as you tend to pay less than we do for Cds but more for concert tickets), its not really asking much to expect an audience member to have at least some familiarity with the material that the artist is touring behind. If youre willing to pay $100 for a concert ticket, then $15 isnt that much. Its even less to ask for an act like the Stones when youre prepared to pay $450 for a ticket.

Personally, if I'm going to see someone playing locally who has a new album out I'll make a point of buying - or even downloading for free - their latest release so I can try and enjoy more of the show. Its pretty easy to do these days.

Gazza Wrote:
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> I guess that the "too many new songs" argument is
> valid if you just dont know them - but with the
> price of a CD being a tiny fraction of that of a
> concert ticket (especially in the US, as you tend
> to pay less than we do for Cds but more for
> concert tickets), its not really asking much to
> expect an audience member to have at least some
> familiarity with the material that the artist is
> touring behind. If youre willing to pay $100 for a
> concert ticket, then $15 isnt that much. Its even
> less to ask for an act like the Stones when youre
> prepared to pay $450 for a ticket.
>
> Personally, if I'm going to see someone playing
> locally who has a new album out I'll make a point
> of buying - or even downloading for free - their
> latest release so I can try and enjoy more of the
> show. Its pretty easy to do these days.



I totally agree. The only time it doesn't work out is when a band comes out with a totally lousey record. About a year and a half ago when I went to see Ray Davies, I bought his CD about 5 or 6 weeks before the show and played it a lot, and because of it, I know I enjoyed the show a lot more than most of the Kinks fans there.

FrankM Wrote:
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> Oh so now you are telling me what I like and don't
> like. What do you have a video camera on me 24/7?
> You know what is in my record collection? And just
> how do you know this? Did you call one of those
> psychic hotlines to find out my musical tastes?
> And when did I scorn Springsteen? I simply said he
> plays too many new songs imo. That's not scorn.
> Lighten up buddy boy.
>

True to form, we see Frank once again resorting to sarcasm and then vehemently protesting his innocence when others fail to interpret his tone exactly in the manner he wants us all to.

So what exactly DO you mean, Frank, when you refer to Springsteen as "high and mighty"? Because if that is not sarcasm, then what the hell is? Unless of course, you're trying to tell us that you, yourself, have "lightened up" so to speak, by positioning the self-proclaimed Boss into such an exalted position. Though somehow, I don't think so.

And no Frank, we don't require either video camera technology or head-shrinking acumen to see exactly where you're coming from; not when we can hear quite clearly, the confused, bellowing sound of someone putting his foot into his own mouth and then yelling out loudly at those who called his bluff.

Hey, and you can be heard from miles away...

BluzDude Wrote:
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> Gazza Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I guess that the "too many new songs" argument
> is
> > valid if you just dont know them - but with the
> > price of a CD being a tiny fraction of that of
> a
> > concert ticket (especially in the US, as you
> tend
> > to pay less than we do for Cds but more for
> > concert tickets), its not really asking much to
> > expect an audience member to have at least some
> > familiarity with the material that the artist
> is
> > touring behind. If youre willing to pay $100 for
> a
> > concert ticket, then $15 isnt that much. Its
> even
> > less to ask for an act like the Stones when
> youre
> > prepared to pay $450 for a ticket.
> >
> > Personally, if I'm going to see someone playing
> > locally who has a new album out I'll make a
> point
> > of buying - or even downloading for free -
> their
> > latest release so I can try and enjoy more of
> the
> > show. Its pretty easy to do these days.
>
>
>
> I totally agree. The only time it doesn't work out
> is when a band comes out with a totally lousey
> record. About a year and a half ago when I went
> to see Ray Davies, I bought his CD about 5 or 6
> weeks before the show and played it a lot, and
> because of it, I know I enjoyed the show a lot
> more than most of the Kinks fans there.


Put me down as one who agrees. I always buy the new CD before I see the artist, whoever that may be. That's the point of "touring to support an album," right? It does make the concert more enjoyable for me. I kind of got short-changed on the experience when I bought "A Bigger Bang" back in October 2005, but oh well, I got to see "Rain Fall Down," "RJ," and "ONNYA." I've already got Brue's "Magic" and hope he plays the hell out of it when I see him next, hopefully in April.

The Stones have already become the UK Bruce. Lame, white, overprouced Las Vegas bullshee-ite as far as I am concerned. So I guess they learned it a little TOO well.

JR

yeah well i bet they laugh on the way to the bank anyway, bruce also

Would 25 song concerts with a limit of two shows per week be something that they still could handle?I think they can still do it if some of the extra songs were ballads (Voodoo Lounge Tour ballad section many times had 3 per show vs. one ballad per show lately) and perhaps some short rare songs such as Rip This Joint and Hang Fire or even She Saw Me Coming.They should be able to do that with a little extra effort.

Bruce lame? One of the most energic people in the industry I think. Much more productive than the Stones. And rather consistent in quality.
white? well, he was born white yes and will die white too. But 'grooves' more than I dreamed off when I saw him last week.
Las Vegas bullshit? LV means nostalgie to me and Bruce plays some 8 songs of his 11 song album in his recent shows......

Not sure if anyne has posted it yet, but Bruce has announced 3 shows at Giants Stadium starting on July 27th next year. Tickets on sale next Saturday. From what I hear there may be a few other stadium shows mostly in the NE USA around that time (Fenway Park August 23-24 has been mentioned), although there could be another run of arena shows to follow it.