Beelyboy Wrote:
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> aha nonsense R; your truly right wing agenda shows
> thru here. all that's missing is strangers in
> paradise in an airport restroom.
>
> you meant patriot and lover of truth and freedom
> but you wrote 'lefty' something or other, a sign
> of weakness of argument and intellectual, and
> moral, defeat.
>
> i'm not even a member of a political party and,
> you don't respond on point. just slurs now; and
> now another one...i won't take the bait, but
> you've plunged your credibility into the gutter
> with the slurs, revealing your true self and
> feelings amidst the crap about 'psychographs' and
> 'demographics'
>
> i've offered the evidence ad infinitum; and
> others' have digested it, and have already known
> about it; so you stay in denial and keep those
> irrelevant slurs coming. Better than facing the
> facts, your 'logical reality' is politically
> inspired; and your name-calling reveals the truth
> about your motivations.
>
> bruce's rhetorical question gets answered in the
> negative when he sings it to you: is there anybody
> alive out there?
> i'm quoting for you because you can't hear it on
> your rahhdio...
> nor conceputalize in the bigger picture that
> includes yourself.


You said you weren't a democrat, right? You said you're an independent. It couldn't be more obvious.:-)



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R. (is that for Really wrong?)

that's an answer? that last post of yours is a sorry affair buddy.

you moved thru semi-intelligent to pathetic pretty quickly.
you know nothing about me or my personal politics.
nor do you know much about the bigger picture on the political machinations that have you hypnotized.

and you care nothing about freedom in your own country or culture.
good bye, i know what to expect from you now.
nonsense, equivocation and intellectual cowardice.

hope you caught the pistols this last week, because they were talking to you.
but i don't think you understand 'rock' ...so somebody else will have to explain it to you from here.

i treated you with respect and it was graciousness you didn't deserve.
but hey, i'm that kinda guy...give a person a chance to express and try to understand with respect, even if, like you, they've got holes in their 'arguments' you can drive a brigade thru.

there are republican candidates less conservative than i am about many issues; you know zilch about me, and zilch about rock and roll soul; and the importance of freedom of expression, outside of some really sick oppressive, intentionally and inherently untruthful disinformation.

intentionally foolish; or perhaps it can't be helped, but like your "arguments," it's of no consequence.

now please go on and on about psychographs and demographics and the nature of 'business' and continue to ignore salient conversation and good spirited critical information and deny yourself some intelligent back and forth.
just reduce it to ignorant name-calling and run to momma...tell her nobody understands you; and how you've got it all figured out.
how frustrating it must be for you. poor guy.



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spikey Wrote:
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> Nikolai Wrote:
> >
> > Springsteen was NEVER a rebel. Dylan was - and
> > still us. Springsteen was pure conformity
> > (irrespective of the pointed leftist message)
> > until Vote For Change.
>
> Read one of the bios on him. I can't change your
> mind if it is already made up, but the facts
> surrounding his personal life don't back up your
> opinion.

You're right, of course. And I was wrong in the way I phrased it. I meant that he's more of a musical conformist .... but, of course even there I'm completely f-ing wrong. Bruce has always swum against the tide, like a salmon heading for its natural end (hey, the river metaphor ...). He followed The River with Nebraska, BITUSA with Tunnel, a commercial and critical nadir (Human/Lucky) with a decidely uncommercial album (Tom Joad), The Rising with Devils and Seeger Sessions .

Ok, I take it all back. Mea culpa. NOte to self: don't drink and post on IORR.

Meanwhile, back to Clear Channel boycotting Magic ....

Bloody idiots. It's a radio-perfect album, almost every song clocking in at around the 3 1/2 minute mark.

R Wrote:
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> Nikolai Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > R Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Nikolai Wrote:
> > > They want to ban him now?
> > > > Tokenistic bullshit.
> > >
> > >
> > > No one is doing any such thing.
> > >
> > > Where does this sense of victimhood come
> from?
> >
> >
> > Clear Channel aren't playing him because they
> say
> > he's "too old" and therefore not relevant. So,
> > basically, that means they won'rt be playing
> new
> > music by anyone over a certain age. That's
> > ageism. That therefore victimses anyone who,
> you
> > know, gets tad old.
> >
> > And you can't say this has nothing to do with
> > Bruce's politics. Clear Channel are major
> > Republican Party donors ....
> >
> > "And the Bush family's association with many
> media
> > organisations runs deep and is reflected by the
> > hefty handouts from the likes of NBC network
> owner
> > General Electric and Rupert Murdoch's News
> > Corporation, both trenchant supporters of the
> > war."
> >
> >
> [www.guardian.co.uk]
>
> > dthemedia.rupertmurdoch
>
> You're right. Bruce Springsteen will be the mighty
> catalyst that will begin the crush of the
> eeeeeeeveeeel neo-con effort to strip us all of
> our freedoms!
>
> He must be crushed!
>
> He must be destroyed!
>
> He must be banned regardless of the fact that
> CLEAR CHANNEL's promotional arm, Live Nation, is
> producing his tour.
>
> He must be muzzled because eeeeveeel Republican
> Clear Channel says so even though they are
> developing left-leaning networks here because they
> see a viable market, i.e. advertising revenue.
>
> He must be destroyed because Clear Channel is (so
> you say) an eeeeeeveeel Republican donor. (HINT:
> IN the US corporations the size of CC donate to
> BOTH parties. Maybe they forgot that part in your
> Guardian story).
>
> I don't know how many times I can explain logical
> reality to some of you folks. You're so invested
> in your leftist paranoia you can't, or won't,
> listen to reason.
>
> (R shakes head and sighs...)


Clear Channel boycotted the Dixie Chicks too. And they muzzled Howard Stern as soon as he turned on Bush.

Sure Clear Channel donates to Democrats. Got to keep their options open, like the good businessmen they are. But the bulk of their donations go to Republicans:


"In 2006 Clear Channel Communications ponied up almost $800,000 in legal campaign contributions, 65% of which went to Republicans. The two top dogs at the company are long-time Bush family retainers and cronies, Tom Hicks and Lowry Mays.

Mays has donated tens of thousands of dollars to Republican candidates for office over the years. A few: $69,500 for the Republican National Committee, $21,000 for the NRCC, $14,200 for Michael McCaul (TX), $2,500 for James Sensenbrenner (WI), $2,300 for Duncan Hunter (CA), $16,300 for Lamar Smith (TX), $6,500 for Kay Bailey Hutchinson (TX), $3,000 for Tom DeLay (TX), $13,000 for Henry Bonilla (TX), $10,250 for the National Republican Senatorial Committee, $2,500 for Heather Wilson (NM), $6,000 for John Cornyn (TX), and $2,100 for Flip Flop Mitt and grudging grand for Giuliani (NY). And there were tens of thousands more from other family members. Hicks was a similarly huge donator to Republicans: $65,000 to the RNC, $50,000 to the NRSC plus another $300,000 or so scattered around to grateful Republicans who have made it very worthwhile for have been so generous. When people talk about the need for campaign finance reform and public financing of elections, this is exactly what they're talking about".

Anyway, of course, there's absolutely no connection between Clear Channel and the Bush Administration. I'm just a "paranoid lefty" who thinks denying radio play to an artist who has the No 1 album in the country and happens to be one of the most outspoken opponents of the war in Iraq is censorship - sorry a neo-con plot to silence the opposition. Obviously that's not the case. Bruce Springsteen is simply an old codger with nothing to say to the millions of twelve year olds who listen to Clear Channel.



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Will one of you conspiracy theorists answer a question for me? If there is such a conspiracy against Bruce then why did Fox broadcast "Radio Nowhere" during the World Series and in front of millions and millions of viewers? I'm pretty sure the Fox Network is owned by the same company as Fox News Channel.

So there is a conspiracy on the radio but not on TV? There is no conspiracy just stupidity. It is without a doubt dumber than a box of rocks to not play new stuff by The Stones, Springsteen and other older artists but there is no conspiracy- just stupidity on the part of CC.



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Radio has killed Rock n Roll. I hate Chearchannel and the suits who run it. When I first got into music 20 yrs ago I was amazed at what i heard on the radio. I was turned on to so much great music. Today, I am equally amazed at the lack of good music on the radio. There are so many classic groups and songs that you just can t hear anymore on radio. It is very sad. At least I had a few years to listen and learn before the clueless clowns destroyed a great outlet for research.

R Wrote:
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> Gazza Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > R Wrote:
> > > I don't know how many times I can explain
> > logical
> > > reality to some of you folks. You're so
> > invested
> > > in your leftist paranoia you can't, or won't,
> > > listen to reason.
> > >
> > > (R shakes head and sighs...)
> >
> >
> >
> > Who's this youre referring to in such
> generalised
> > terms? Dont make such sweeping assumptions
> about
> > people you dont even know and who, in many
> cases,
> > choose not to broadcast any political leanings
> > they may have.
>
> See above. It's patently obvious. I'm talking
> about the reality of the music business and others
> are parlaying that into boilerplate lefty talking
> points about a rightwing quest for world
> domination.
>

It's just a simple and polite request. If youre going to make generalisations about someone's perceived politics then address it to those you're specifically aiming it at by name, instead of tarring everyone who thinks this system is shit with the same 'leftist' brush. Thanks much.



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Open Your Eyes

Video games train the kids for war. Army chic in high-fashion
stores. Law and order's done their job. Prisons filled while
the rich still rob. Assassination politics. Violence rules
within' our nation's midst. Well ignorance is their power tool.
You'll only know what they want you to know. The television
cannot lie. Controlling media with smokescreen eyes. Nuclear
politicians picture show. The acting's lousy but the blind don't
know. They scare us all with threats of war. So we forget
just how bad things are. You taste the fear when you're all
alone. They gonna git'cha when you're on your own. The silence
of conspiracy. Slaughtered on the altar of apathy. You gotta
wake up from your sleep. 'Cause meek inherits earth...six feet
deep.
Open your eyes see the lies right in front of ya.
Open your eyes.....

Lyrics from Open Your Eyes - Lords Of The New Church (Bator/James)
1982

still relevant today, right?

Nikolai Wrote:
>
> Ok, I take it all back. Mea culpa. NOte to self:
> don't drink and post on IORR.

We have found a middle ground (so refreshing in web "discussions"). I agree that he is a musical conformist, in the sense that his work has always been, in one way or another very much in the American tradition. I'm not a huge fan, but I do enjoy him and have a lot of admiration for a guy who changes course to suit his own needs, rather than remaining stagnant for the sake of the expectations of his audience.

lets kill this so tragic debate

springsteen and his new cd simply sucks

it is boring, regurgitated vomit , much like his work of the last 30 years,

the guy is pathetic

comprende pendejos

comprende

Dear Doctor Wrote:
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> lets kill this so tragic debate

good are you going to make some sense?


>
> springsteen and his new cd simply sucks

no you are not. simply.
>
> it is boring, regurgitated vomit , much like his
> work of the last 30 years,

are you sure that's not your own career you're talking about because he's been doing quite well; toppermost of the poppermost of thirty years plus

>
> the guy is pathetic

great band, #1 records again and again...great talent, great friends and family, great loyal fans, untold riches of brilliance, spirit and finances...3 healthy children, a huge heart famous in the industry for his genorisity of spirit, especially in relation to the fans...yeh, real pathetic. do go on!!
>
> comprende pendejos

another name-caller; if there's anything 'tragic' about this thread, it's your presence.
>
> comprende

oh yes.
Es una vergüenza que su acercamiento artless a agregar algo de valor es un slur común que viene de mucha ignorancia.

Dear Doctor Wrote:
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> lets kill this so tragic debate
>
> springsteen and his new cd simply sucks
>
> it is boring, regurgitated vomit , much like his
> work of the last 30 years,
>
> the guy is pathetic
>
> comprende pendejos
>
> comprende

you could easily substitute the stones for bruce and it it would just as credible to many, probably more, in fact the stones have faced this same criticisms for MORE than 30 yrs. my point ? I dont really have one any more convincing than yours, its all subjective, all opinion.


Oh yours opinion is up yer arse and mine aint,

as for bein a rebel and conforming ? Some forms of rebellion and non conformity are displayed in ways other than (lets be honest here) the sometime indulgent behavior of some well know rock institutions.

I Wish I Never Met You Wrote:
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> Radio has killed Rock n Roll. I hate Chearchannel
> and the suits who run it. When I first got into
> music 20 yrs ago I was amazed at what i heard on
> the radio. I was turned on to so much great
> music. Today, I am equally amazed at the lack of
> good music on the radio. There are so many
> classic groups and songs that you just can t hear
> anymore on radio. It is very sad. At least I had
> a few years to listen and learn before the
> clueless clowns destroyed a great outlet for
> research.

agree......left or right....they are killing R&R!! sweet neon ceon...is not about pete seeger mind you...what a drag

FrankM Wrote:
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> Will one of you conspiracy theorists answer a
> question for me? If there is such a conspiracy
> against Bruce then why did Fox broadcast "Radio
> Nowhere" during the World Series and in front of
> millions and millions of viewers? I'm pretty sure
> the Fox Network is owned by the same company as
> Fox News Channel.
>


Dude! You're stepping outside of the template, All of our eurdite and "progressive" friends here are entirely and completely invested in their leftist paranoia. It's who they are and without it they have to acknowledge their shortcomings are their own instead of blaming it on some eeeeveel rightist plot. You can present daily, here and now, examples of why their arguements are inane but they can't acknowledge them or they must forgo the identity they've forged for themselves.In their defense they are, by and large, Europeans who are taught to hate and distrust America from the cradle to the grave so a dose of salt is a forgeone conclusion.

Watch the responses. There will be no legitmate rebuttal to your assertations or mine. Rather they will call us us names and attempt to ridicule us personally. Just like the left attempts to do here in the States.

Tis been ever thus. :-)

PS - CLEAR CHANNEL OWNED Live Nation is presenting the current US Bruce tour. Another fact REPEATEDLY overlooked in this political brouhaha some else started.

Nikolai Wrote:
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> Clear Channel boycotted the Dixie Chicks too. And
> they muzzled Howard Stern as soon as he turned on
> Bush.
>


You really do have to quit believing your medias over there. The Dixie Chicks were dropped from CC, AND VIRTUALLY EVERY OTHER, country station in the US because of listener protests. I realize this absolute fact doesn't fit your agenda but it's true. In the USA our governement doesn't dictate what we can, AND CAN'T, listen to. You should try it sometime. It's actually very invigorating.

Completely OT but sseing Fox News to attack to denouce Clear Channels evil dongs reminds me of the pot and the black kettle. Remember the utter bunch of lies F.N. poured on the heads of its poor viewers prior to the Irakian quagmire.

R, read the thread; that theory has been called into question, to put it politely. In fact, it's nonsense and propaganda and the proof has been reported on this very thread, and annotated...but it dosen't fit your agenda apparently.

I might also add that i approached you very respectfully and with friendship a number of times on this thread and got name called in response. so revisionist historians are interesting from a psychological standpoint but all anybody has to do is read the thread; u don't respond to facts in evidence, except to slur, then you complain about people doing that to you...cute but no cigar...there's a fan club somewhere that'll buy what you're sellin' but i don't think it's this one.

sure a company division will make money on live shows while still censoring airplay; they don't get a piece of the royalty action, like duh...but to you that's an 'AHA" moment, when all it proves is they've got their sticky hands in every money pit they can beg, borrow or STEAL from...
...and them tix sell real well without clear channel promotion; do you see any clear channel tour promotion? you are so off...

had nothing to do with listener protests...you get your information from distorted sources and then project them, to fit your own agenda.
you know nothing about the Dixie Chicks immediate censorship or all the materials left for you, which makes you dumb as a pole, or intentionally misleading. i approached you with friendship and respect in the spirit of a good exchange; you degenerated it to rhetoric and silliness...

number one records should be played on the radio.
number one records should be played on the radio.
public airwaves. licensed via the FCC rules...have u read nothing and learned nothing or are you just disingenuous, going into attack mode rather than concede a possible point of fact.
you don't play fair, no biggie...lying is probably good for 'business'
you've been responded to on point and haven't given that respectful attempts at exchanges with you any respect...

you name-call left and right. are you this cruelly dense all by yourself or is someone helping you?
to you 'progressive' means 'leftist paranoia' are you really that lame?
Are Europeans taught to hate America and Americans.
I wish you'd tell that to all my German, English, Swiss, French and Scandinavian friends who live and work here.

Where are you from? Jeezus, besides Confusionland.

Kids, it's like this. if your record gets to number one in the open market, in a genre YOU helped to create and sustain and have brought multi millions of dollars into...then you should be on the radio.
they used to count 'em down...all the hits...
the real losers are the little kids, not yet ipodded and seduced into the more sick murderous aspects of commericializtion, and who don't have independent buying power for gear or recordings...and when you are a little kid, finding rock and roll is gigantic; i first heard roy orbison and many others in the backseat of my dad's chevy. it gave me goosebumps...kids get it. the kids are alright.

and these kids, our kids, miss the excitement of a real rock and roller so that crooked racketeers can sell 'em crap that comes with fashion peripherals. psychograph my ass. You can take that MC Rove clip off of non-stop play on your Tivo now.

Gosh R, i don't mean to be less than kind here; i have already told you i am not a member of any of those political parties and don't subscribe to most of the nonsense that comes out of either of them...
clinton's administration did two tons of damage with that '96 telecommunications act, so for me this is not a political fight...
there's the powerful control freaks who are indebted to the bigger money that creates them.
and then there's actual freedom. and that is being eroded in a most unconstitutional manner; and has NOTHING to do with this leftie rightie stuff you're hung up on...except as a matter of particular incident, as is the case with hicks mays clear channel group pretty much creating and owning dubya.
they are all rats and i will fight for the right to partteeeeeeee



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R Wrote:
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> Nikolai Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Clear Channel boycotted the Dixie Chicks too.
> And
> > they muzzled Howard Stern as soon as he turned
> on
> > Bush.
> >
>
>
> You really do have to quit believing your medias
> over there. The Dixie Chicks were dropped from CC,
> AND VIRTUALLY EVERY OTHER, country station in the
> US because of listener protests. I realize this
> absolute fact doesn't fit your agenda but it's
> true. In the USA our governement doesn't dictate
> what we can, AND CAN'T, listen to. You should try
> it sometime. It's actually very invigorating.

True, but Clear Channel organized pro-war rallies, called “Rallies for America,” where people crushed Dixie Chicks cds, held up signs about the damn liberals and cheered for the war. It was the first time in the history of the United States that a broadcasting company had sponsored a pro-war rally. What did the Dixie Chicks actually say? We're shamed to be Texan because of Bush, but we support our troops. Wow! Hardly unpatriotic comments.

Anyway, I've raised plenty of other points proving Clear Channel are Bush stooges, complete with facts, figures, details of donations. You've said nothing about any of that, R. That's because you're one of these people who pick the cherry and miss the orchard. If you were Newton, we'd all be floating in space.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2007-11-04 16:02 by Nikolai.

Meanwhile in other Springsteen news. It looks like the next U.S. leg will begin in Feb. or March. It was announced after the St.Paul show the other night that he would return there March 16,2008. Tickets go on sale Nov.10. Also rumours of an LA show at the Staples center in Feb. Official announcements should come soon.

"It's just some friends of mine and they're busting down the door"

Nikolai Wrote:
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> R Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Nikolai Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Clear Channel boycotted the Dixie Chicks too.
>
> > And
> > > they muzzled Howard Stern as soon as he
> turned
> > on
> > > Bush.
> > >
> >
> >
> > You really do have to quit believing your
> medias
> > over there. The Dixie Chicks were dropped from
> CC,
> > AND VIRTUALLY EVERY OTHER, country station in
> the
> > US because of listener protests. I realize this
> > absolute fact doesn't fit your agenda but it's
> > true. In the USA our governement doesn't
> dictate
> > what we can, AND CAN'T, listen to. You should
> try
> > it sometime. It's actually very invigorating.
>
> True, but Clear Channel organized pro-war rallies,
> called “Rallies for America,” where people crushed
> Dixie Chicks cds, held up signs about the damn
> liberals and cheered for the war. It was the first
> time in the history of the United States that a
> broadcasting company had sponsored a pro-war
> rally. What did the Dixie Chicks actually say?
> We're shamed to be Texan because of Bush, but we
> support our troops. Wow! Hardly unpatriotic
> comments.
>
> Anyway, I've raised plenty of other points proving
> Clear Channel are Bush stooges, complete with
> facts, figures, details of donations. You've said
> nothing about any of that, R. That's because
> you're one of these people who pick the cherry and
> miss the orchard. If you were Newton, we'd all be
> floating in space.

If CC are the stooges of Bush then ninety percent of the television news and newspapers are stooges of the left. You can't have it both ways my dear Nilolai. Eveyone whether it is you, me, CC or the New York Times has an agenda but not everything happens because of an agenda. You can be paranoid like that if you want but you are only hurting yourself. Again I ask if there is such a conspiracy then why was "Radio Nowhere" featured during the World Series when millions and millions of people were watching.

I don't think anyone is denying that CC is pro Bush but it is paranoid to think that's why Bruce is getting no airplay. Has the new Macca stuff gotten airplay? But he was very pro Bush a few years ago- don't know if he has flip flopped since then. So why do you not hear his stuff on the radio? Because these older artists aren't getting airplay. Not because of some grand conspiracy.



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But still nothing for the southeast states?

I'm sure that there will be EG. Rumours are just beginning to trickle out. If I hear anything about NOLA I'll let you know.

"It's just some friends of mine and they're busting down the door"

FrankM Wrote:
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> Nikolai Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > R Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
> > -----
> > > Nikolai Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
> >
> > > -----
> > > > Clear Channel boycotted the Dixie Chicks
> too.
> >
> > > And
> > > > they muzzled Howard Stern as soon as he
> > turned
> > > on
> > > > Bush.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > You really do have to quit believing your
> > medias
> > > over there. The Dixie Chicks were dropped from
> > CC,
> > > AND VIRTUALLY EVERY OTHER, country station in
> > the
> > > US because of listener protests. I realize
> this
> > > absolute fact doesn't fit your agenda but it's
> > > true. In the USA our governement doesn't
> > dictate
> > > what we can, AND CAN'T, listen to. You should
> > try
> > > it sometime. It's actually very invigorating.
> >
> > True, but Clear Channel organized pro-war
> rallies,
> > called “Rallies for America,” where people
> crushed
> > Dixie Chicks cds, held up signs about the damn
> > liberals and cheered for the war. It was the
> first
> > time in the history of the United States that a
> > broadcasting company had sponsored a pro-war
> > rally. What did the Dixie Chicks actually say?
> > We're shamed to be Texan because of Bush, but we
> > support our troops. Wow! Hardly unpatriotic
> > comments.
> >
> > Anyway, I've raised plenty of other points
> proving
> > Clear Channel are Bush stooges, complete with
> > facts, figures, details of donations. You've
> said
> > nothing about any of that, R. That's because
> > you're one of these people who pick the cherry
> and
> > miss the orchard. If you were Newton, we'd all
> be
> > floating in space.
>
> If CC are the stooges of Bush then ninety percent
> of the television news and newspapers are stooges
> of the left. You can't have it both ways my dear
> Nilolai. Eveyone whether it is you, me, CC or the
> New York Times has an agenda but not everything
> happens because of an agenda. You can be paranoid
> like that if you want but you are only hurting
> yourself. Again I ask if there is such a
> conspiracy then why was "Radio Nowhere" featured
> during the World Series when millions and millions
> of people were watching.
>
> I don't think anyone is denying that CC is pro
> Bush but it is paranoid to think that's why Bruce
> is getting no airplay. Has the new Macca stuff
> gotten airplay? But he was very pro Bush a few
> years ago- don't know if he has flip flopped since
> then. So why do you not hear his stuff on the
> radio? Because these older artists aren't getting
> airplay. Not because of some grand conspiracy.


Macca was against the war on terror, specifically the bombing and invasion of Afghanistan. Him and his then Mrs, Heather ,ampaigned very vocally against it. Wouldn't say he was pro-Bush either, what with his environmental campaigning.

And he's not getting an airplay on Radio Nowhere either? Conspiracy> No, mate. Just good old fashioned 1 plus 1 equalling eleven.

sweetcharmedlife Wrote:
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> Meanwhile in other Springsteen news. It looks like
> the next U.S. leg will begin in Feb. or March. It
> was announced after the St.Paul show the other
> night that he would return there March 16,2008.
> Tickets go on sale Nov.10. Also rumours of an LA
> show at the Staples center in Feb. Official
> announcements should come soon.


I've heard the same. There'll be a stadium tour of Europe in the summer, followed by stadium shows in key US "Bruce cities" as well.

There are also plenty of rumours of both a live DVD and another studio album too. Magic was planned as a double.

Well Nikolai I remember him making some pro Bush comments a few years ago so if you are correct then he must be talking out of both sides of his mouth which wouldn't surprise me and that really wasn't my main point anyway.

Is there any other artist as old as Springsteen that does get any significant airplay when it comes to their new stuff? No there isn't- it's just the same old paranoid "Bogeymen in the closet" kind of thinking. The frightening, terrifying Bogeymen on the right are going to grab you and take you away to Bogeyland where you will never be heard from again. Paranoia!!!

Take this political crap somewhere else. In fact,you can take it to Backstreets.com. It's a Springsteen board AND they have a SEPERATE forum to talk about politics. I'd rather talk about the music.

"It's just some friends of mine and they're busting down the door"

Thanks, charmed, my thoughts exactly.

"No Anchovies, Please"

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The fact is if you die they will play you those suckers!!