Rooster,

I totally agree. There are some decent Rock stations out there but they are far inbetween. For example the "Gator" In West Palm will play lou Reed to Rod Stewart (Faces songs) whereas here in Miami 105.9 Classic Rock plays crap like Kansas, Styx, ...etc

Format radio sucks and the only escape is Satellite Music. But I miss the comraderie of everybody in town hearing the same song at once especially when it is Tumbling Dice.

But no, on format rock, it will always be Rush or Lynard Skynard (Freebird) or some other .......................

Another thing they never play live music ...only if it is Peter Frampton (Yawn).

Beelyboy Wrote:

>
> here's a link that busts much of your theories,
> but you'll question the source as a bastion of
> political agenda i assume; anyway let's start with
> this nytimes piece about clear channel.
>
> [query.nytimes.com]
> 2E1DD1230F936A15750C0A9659C8B63
>
> so basically, i'm saying there IS a provable
> agenda on the part of the Clear Channel management
> that of course means owning and manipulating
> politicians,

Oy gevault... CC has been attempting to develop left-leaning programs and networks here in the States, primarily to see if they are a profitable market-niche because the $$$ and shareholders is what CC is all about. Thus far said programming and networks have met with marginal success primarily because said left-leaning message is already conveyed by the so-called mainstream media here.

BTW, there's ALWAYS been a relationship between media and politicians going back before William Randolph Hearst. Look how heroically the very NY Times you quote treats left-leaning politicians and ONLY left-leaning politicians.

Your chopper ride awaits.

Yeah....and if you listen to the better ones.....that play lou reed...it will be ''take a walk on the wild side'''or maybe if your lucky''Sweet Jane''....they will never play''leave me alone''but thats just what i want....fuc them

LOL. I JUST got an e-mail blast from CLEAR CHANNEL OWNED Live Nation informing me that tickets still remain for the Bruce and ESB show that they are promoting in my area.

The dirty little secret is, Bruce's deal is structured on a sell-out of the venue. The promoter's profit is the last 5% of the take on a full-house. No full-house, no promoter profit. Even the Stones don't do that to their promoters. That Bruce. He's such a man of the people.

R

Wait a minute, you're saying if you, on sale day, make an effort through a store or internet your chances of gaining a ticket are slim??

I have typed this once and I will type it again. Screw those theives, just show up empty handed and wait ten minutes before the concert begins...THERE ARE ALWAYS EXTRA TICKETS.....However whom you are with may not sit with you...Hell, which may be good thing...

Chris Fountain Wrote:
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> Wait a minute, you're saying if you, on sale day,
> make an effort through a store or internet your
> chances of gaining a ticket are slim??
>

No that isn't what I said. The Bruce tour is doing fine business in most, but not all markets here. He's limiting his appearances to single nights and still not selling some of those shows out. Without a full-house the promoter is screwed because BruceCo essentially gets the first 95%. If the house is only 92% sold the promoter goes to his hip for the remaining 3%.

Because CLEAR CHANNEL OWNED Live Nation is presenting the whole tour, when all is said and done, they'll do OKAY promoting this left-leaning artist they want to ban and who is too old to be played on their stations, even IF the show loses money for them in some cities.

R

This incomprehensible. The ESB concerts are fricking dynamite. Hey folks if you don't like Bruce or Magic, Go to the concert I guarantee when you will walk out of the concert your impression of the ESB will change. I promise.

every song sounds the same (well, not EVERY - but a lot)

Chris Fountain Wrote:
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> R
>
> This incomprehensible. The ESB concerts are
> fricking dynamite. Hey folks if you don't like
> Bruce or Magic, Go to the concert I guarantee
> when you will walk out of the concert your
> impression of the ESB will change. I promise.

No doubt they are. I've seen them over 25 times since 1975. The truth is, Bruce's political activism seems to have permanently alienated about 25-30% of his longtime fanbase. How else to explain tickets for a single night going begging in towns where he used to sell out two. Likewise a "#1" album which, in its entire release, has sold fewer copies than "The Rising" did first week out of the box.

Cause he play new songs( all right!!) .....R&S have the same problems...strange times.

R


The best song on the Magic CD is "I'll work for your love".

In any event, you try to tell the people the truth about good versus bad concerts they don't "get it." Well so be it.

But then again I'm a huge Bruce fan not only for his music but his true values as well.

On an odd note of trivia just to show how lives differ yet parallel: Clarence Clemon's brother was once conductor ( A Captain's rank at that ) of the
US Marine Corps marching band

aslecs Wrote:
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> every song sounds the same (well, not EVERY - but
> a lot)


Everyone of your posts reads the same.

Change the f**king record for chrissakes.

R Wrote:
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> Chris Fountain Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > R
> >
> > This incomprehensible. The ESB concerts are
> > fricking dynamite. Hey folks if you don't like
> > Bruce or Magic, Go to the concert I guarantee
> > when you will walk out of the concert your
> > impression of the ESB will change. I promise.
>
> No doubt they are. I've seen them over 25 times
> since 1975. The truth is, Bruce's political
> activism seems to have permanently alienated about
> 25-30% of his longtime fanbase. How else to
> explain tickets for a single night going begging
> in towns where he used to sell out two. Likewise a
> "#1" album which, in its entire release, has sold
> fewer copies than "The Rising" did first week out
> of the box.


I waited outside MSG New York for a Springsteen ticket drop Oct 18, but got shut out.

No ticket!!!!

I was only about the number 200 in the line.

I frequently wait for ticket drops at venues and always get in. So getting shut out for Springsteens 2nd night in New York baffled me at that time. Maybe I'll get in at the Albany N.Y. show Nov. 15.

I like 'Magic' a lot.
Take care all.



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deadegad Wrote:
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>
> I waited outside MSG New York for a Springsteen
> ticket drop Oct 18, but got shut out.
>
> No ticket!!!!
>
> I was only about the number 200 in the line.
>

You need to buy your ticket on-line. Bruces drops usually hit about 2-3pm day of show and usually consist of band-holds. In NYC they're likely used but in other cities it should be easier - if you're quick on the keyboard.

Thanks for the tip!!!

R Wrote:
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> >
> The dirty little secret is, Bruce's deal is
> structured on a sell-out of the venue. The
> promoter's profit is the last 5% of the take on a
> full-house. No full-house, no promoter profit.
> Even the Stones don't do that to their promoters.
> That Bruce. He's such a man of the people.


ANY promoter unable to shift 100% of tickets for a Springsteen arena gig does not deserve ONE PENNY of the receipts, let alone 5%.

The Promoter in Denver loss his ass from the last stadium show he did there on the Rising Tour. He lost over a million dollars on the gig.

Yep, The Bruce organization works with the assumption that the show will be a sellout.

I don't know how it is in other cities, but in L.A. one could pick up a Springsteen ticket thru a broker at less than face value on the day of the show (upper level). There were even some floor tickets at face value. If anyone wants to go last minute, check out the brokers on line the day of the show.

The truth is, Bruce's political
activism seems to have permanently alienated about
25-30% of his longtime fanbase. How else to
explain tickets for a single night going begging
in towns where he used to sell out two. Likewise a
"#1" album which, in its entire release, has sold
fewer copies than "The Rising" did first week out
of the box.

The music industry has changed almost beyond recognition since the Rising came out. No surprise that the new one has performed weakly in comparison. I bet that you could say the same for any two albums released by a major artist in the same time frame.

As far as alienating his fan base, Springsteen states in the new(ish) issue of Rolling Stone that he is playing for himself and his fans and understands full well that he is a niche player in the industry as it is today. The guy spoke about politics for all of a minute when I saw him at MSG. Personally, I don't understand why anyone would deprive themself of a pleasure that they previously enjoyed because they can't a reasonable dissenting opinion. Then again, I guess my problem is that I don't identify myself first and foremost as an American, but as one person in a very big world.

Barn Owl Wrote:
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>
>
> ANY promoter unable to shift 100% of tickets for a
> Springsteen arena gig does not deserve ONE PENNY
> of the receipts, let alone 5%.

It happens all the time and has BEEN happening for years in the states. You Europeans like him better than we do anymore. In order to get a crack at the this current tour you had to (almost assuredly) lose your ass on the Seeger Sessions Tour and the solo one before it. Then BruceCo would deign to come back with the ESB and play for you so you could hopefully make the money back you already lost plus some more.

1985 was a long, LONG time ago.

R, a lot of what you say is sensible and shows more business perspective than i can muster admittedly, but in some cases, like immediatley above, it seems that it's almost a personal vendetta for you to slam him.
i don't know the numbers. i know A LOT of people went to those Seeger shows (not my personal cup of tea but i appreciated the effort and the shake-up and the creativity behind a theatre tour with an amalgamation like that.
the guy keeps shaking things up; keeping himself interested and attuned. giving great and well attended shows and he's number one as we speak, again, and if you don't like him, or appreciate any of his contributions, or even think they are just evil and cynical, i think that's over the top.
he's a good artist doing his job with versatility and with strength and with very grateful fans EVERYWHERE he goes in this entire world.
the guy's for real.
ever see that video of him in (amsterdam i think) some scandinavian country i believe, and there's a busker doing 'the river' and springsteen walks right up from the street and starts doing it with him right there!! the busker is keeping up with all the chord changes and good harmonies...Bruce is a citizen of the world and revered everywhere he goes...
if you don't like his stuff; well i don't like some of it either.
obviously i totally love some of his stuff too...
it matters not whether we have different tastes but it almost seems like you hate him for existing or for being a good, amazingly successfull, free, diverse, and long-lasting artist, and that's really not his fault. he just plays a little and writes a little...and a lot of people want to be there.
that's over thirty years now and he's number one right NOW.
i really don't say that argumentatively, but i wonder if you're a little too heavy on him for some reason. ok, you don't like his music.

Beelyboy Wrote:
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....
> ever see that video of him in (amsterdam i think)
> some scandinavian country i believe, and there's a
> busker doing 'the river' and springsteen walks
> right up from the street and starts doing it with
> him right there!! the busker is keeping up with
> all the chord changes and good harmonies...Bruce
> is a citizen of the world and revered everywhere
> he goes...

Is it this clip?

It's actually from Copenhagen.

Very well put Beely.

"It's just some friends of mine and they're busting down the door"

Barn Owl Wrote:
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> tomk Wrote:
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> >
> > > As I said before, Springsteen now seems like character out of
> > Tom Wolfe's Radical Chic: laughable
> >
>
> ...and the Stones aren't?


No, I don't think so. I don't think they ever fit that character.
Bruce does, I believe. For those not familiar with Wolf's article/book,
look up what it's about.
BEsides, from what I remember growing up in LA in the late 70s and 80s,
Springsteen got very little radio play. Tom Petty got twice as much as he did.
I used to be in the wholesale end of the record business (selling records/CDs
to stores all around the country), and I sold very little Springsteen catalog...
Stones, too. Zeppelin was the winner there. Lord have mercy, you have no idea
how much their back catalog sells.
As for me, I was a casual fan of Springsteen's (though I nver thought he was
the second coming as some on this board do). But he lost me with that
'no justice, no peace' dance. Was that on SNL? That did happen, right?
I wasn't dreaming it. After I saw that, I figured he might as well
join Billy Bragg's band.

Just got through listening to Magic, the new Eagles, and the new Fogerty all on a lonesome stretch of Georgia dirt road.

Magic is the best of the 3 although all are very good. As always with Elmo, the losers to me (with the exception of the song "Long Road Out Of Eden") are the political songs.

FYI, I too think Bush is (at best) badly misguided and/or (at worst) a self-important fool.

This/these CD's not being played is "Radio Nowhere" indeed.

Also, lots of similarities between "You'll Be Coming Down" (Bruce) and "It Won't Take Long" (Stones). For those who "don't get" Bruce, I'm sorry. He's great.

"No Anchovies, Please"



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Wow Elmo that must be a LONG road....But good to hear some old rockers can still make good music...And just for the record. Livin' in the Future is starting to get regular radio play out here now. Although not a Clear Channel station.

"It's just some friends of mine and they're busting down the door"

tomk Wrote:
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> As for me, I was a casual fan of Springsteen's
> (though I nver thought he was
> the second coming as some on this board do). But
> he lost me with that
> 'no justice, no peace' dance. Was that on SNL?
> That did happen, right?


A dance? No....it WAS a remix of 57 Channels by Steve Van Zandt though..and it WAS 15 years ago.

Charmed, a couple of different roads really, but a nice long road. I like your signature - "No Surrender" is one of my favorites.

In fact, my all time favorite couplet is:

I want to sleep beneath peaceful skies
In my lover's bed
With wide open country in my eyes
And these romantic dreams in my head.

"No Anchovies, Please"

Gazza, I don't give toss if it was 15 years ago or 5 days ago.
Was it on SNL? What TV show was it?

SNL it was. May 1992. Thought the song was cheesy and crappy myself (although I've no idea what you mean by him doing some kind of 'dance') but he's somewhat redeemed himself artistically since....hardly an embarrassment of SOL/Days of our Lives proportions.



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