"Just like buying a pet..." Erik, that's a superb comment. Well, my bookshelves are groaning and stacks of books in corners on the floor. Too many pets.

And re Stu as much as I'd like the book I have such good memories of him that those will just have to suffice.

Disappointing that Russell is being so greedy and just plain uncaring towards the actual true blue Rolling Stones fans. Those "elitist" items are mainly aimed at "show-offs." I know quite a few of them, and I never act impressed. Elton John would top my list of "oh look what I just bought" types.

The STU book is just pure class...Like a lesson in
Ye Old English bookmaking...The smell of the goatskin
cover...The rough cut feel of the pages...The spacious no frills
layout...Rare shots...Stories...Truely a fitting tribute to a Mr Ian Stewart..



ROCKMAN

THAT's so wonderfully put, Rock.

And it's how the Stones wanted it to be.

Why thank you my friend...that's quiet
a compilment coming from a lady of fine words...

But it's all true and when you open the STU book it's just sacred...Really Sacred



ROCKMAN

Its always a great book when someone gives it to ya...
FTAH's.

JR

There are many beautiful books coming out lately...I haven't seen Ethan's book yet but I do feel many of these are quite over-priced..more often than not, most of these rock & roll books aren't very unique in my opinion...any book costing more than $200 should include a personal signature from the artist..I have seen some limited edition books made by RS fans that are stunning..and will be VERY rare in the future...handmade books that include original photos, cd's & text that is actually interesting to read..I saw a very limited edition book about the life of Stanley Kubrick last year which included original strip negatives and more..selling for $200 and just blew me away...Yoko Ono's failed stage play of Lennon 2 years ago wasn't that good but the $50 book offered at the show was awesome & worth 10X more....look at these books and then consider what is a good investment...just my humble opinion of course....peter

The Let It Bleed book was supposed to come out for Genesis a couple of years ago and then it never happened, don't know why.
I do personally love collectors' books, I love books in general, I can't help but craving for them and, as Rockman said, enjoy all the care that was put into making them what they are, an item for collectors.

There's a coupla ones I'm dying to get my fingers on, gotta save quite a few bucks, one is Peter Beard, Art Edition, No. 251-2500, the other one is EASY COMPANY 506th PIR,a book by Genesis still in the works about Easy Company of Band of Brothers fame.

Guess I'm gonna have a lot to wait ...

way too expensive! i have the two genesis books:

1. Exile - which is fantastic - I'll never part with it.
2. Pleased to Meet You - I'll sell this one for a cheap price if anyone's interested.

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> 2. Pleased to Meet You - I'll sell this one for a
> cheap price if anyone's interested.

I am!!!

Could you e-mail me @

andrea_carraro@yahoo.it

with a proposal?



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> > 2. Pleased to Meet You - I'll sell this one for a
> cheap price if anyone's interested.

I am interested.
please e-mail me: xxx
Thanks.



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must be amazing shots of Altamont in this new one

Who can help me Please !!
Rhino not shipping in France
please contact me :
gerard.unvoas@wanadoo.fr
Thanks

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I'm afraid that mcparty is already married dunhill!

I agree that's it's ridiculous with those prices. In my opinion, pictures and text (and music) should be made available to as many people as possible. If I was an artist, a photographer or whatever, I'd want to have as many fans as possible, not a small circle of rich elite people admiring the thickness of the book my photos were printed on. Then again, Mr Russel or Dominique Tarle may be too old and established to care about 26 year old kids like me.

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> dunhill!

Well, I am already past my first divorce and am not jealous.
As far as I remember a proposal is not only an offer of marriage

... this isn't going to be a popular comment, but ... are these collectors-only-priced volumes
something like the photographers' equivalent of the so-called Bowie Effect at work?
i love sharing great photos on line, but also ponder sometimes how digital filesharing
must have made it more difficult for a lot of photographers to interest normal book publishers
in issuing/re-issuing collections of their work. and it's their *work* - this is how they earn a living.
so these huge beautiful super-expensive volumes might be partly a reaction to that -
maybe this kind of publication works sort of like high ticket prices "making up for" the income lost to record piracy?

if that's part of what motivates these publications, the approach does have the advantage -
from the photographers' & publishers' point of view, i mean - that people who invest in this kind of book
are not generally too eager to spread scans of them all over the internet (for i reckon obvious reasons).
at the same time, i imagine collectors don't find it too appealing if there are low-priced versions
of the same thing available at the same time. yeah, it leaves us poor yearning masses behind in the dust,
but ... hell, let's face it: if it were affordable, i would buy it, post scans of it somewhere,
then others would repost it all over, and there goes the photographers' income. and it's their work.



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ssssssssssssssoul (i think I under-did the "s"'s last time) also the truly shocking/awe inspiring/tear inducing/joy-filling clarity and artistry of these products makes them a sight to behold. I may have seen tarle's keith exile pics before but seeing them on the page in all their richness is beyong the digitzed files that i may have seen. I defend the right of any artist to make money from their work anyway they can, people now say oh don't release that as soon as one gets out it'll be copied digitized and made available for free- well perhaps if people are dropping a grand for the original they wont be so ready to share....?

OLDKR

yeah, that's exactly what i mean, oldkrrrrrrrrrrrr - thanks.
and of course the beauty of these books is an end in itself as well -
it must feel really really good to have one's work published in that fine a form.

with ssoul, I don't think the reason for the continuous popping-up of high priced volumes is due to the online sharing of images.
I remember that when Blinds & Shutters did come out it was 1990, I was 17 and read about it on a newspaper a few dys before the Stones played in Turin.
Internet was way long to be seen yet and I kept wondering about how fabulous this book must have been in order to be so expensive.
I bought around the time I got 30, even thoug my very first Genesis Book was Masons Yard to Primerose Hill, wich I did buy in London back in 1995 or '96.
I guess there has always been a market, and there always will be, for high priced books, no matter whether the Stones are the subject or not.
I was introduced to collectors book through Genesis, but now I'm buying other highly priced collector books about other subjects than music.
Many of you in this board spend thousands of dollars to go see as many Stones shows as possible, I am a fan too but I'd rather be able to buy collector books, a very strong passion of mine, rather than watching as many dates as possible of the nth tour of the Stones, even though I try to catch as many shows I can afford to.
I mean, in my opinion, and that is just my opnion, I'd rather shell a thousand bucks on a book rather than on a concert, a book is forever.
As someone said "Choose your poison".
Of course photographers are trying to cash in on the fact that baby-boomers are spending thousands of dollars to re-live their teenage years, I mean, if they spend a 1.000 bucks on a front row ticket wouldn't they spend it on a book about their favourite band?
At least Genesis titles are a guarantee when it comes down to quality.
To end my contribution to this topic, I would be very upset if they published a cheaper version of the books I have, it wouldn't be right.
I have seen a cheaper Taschen-like edition of Moonage Daydream licensed by Genesis to another publisher and, if I were the owner of a collector copy of that book that would make me very much pissed off.

Some very fascinating thoughts posted above!

I feel ego and inherent "attitude" play a part re Russell and Tarle. Tarle, however, really is a great photographer.

For Ethan and others who certainly loved every moment of their entree to the Stones and the Stones audiences at the time, it's a little disappointing that after they do the big bucks thing they don't see the more affordable softcover book as an option a couple of yhears later...for all us peasants.

As a writer, I care as much about the audience as the subject. So I've never appreciated good but not great photographers who could care less about the audience. I have known many renowned photographers and and I admire, for example, Edward Weston, who I am too young to have known.

Guess what I'm trying to say here greed and ego are never in short supply. But then there are those creative geniuses who have evolved way past that kind of thinking.

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Hmm, I just tried to reserve a copy but they say they can't ship my order to Great Britain!? :/


His Majesty - if you want, you can have them send it to me in Boston, and I will forward it along to you. I'd be glad to help you out.

my email is not hidden.

>> I don't think the reason for the continuous popping-up of high priced volumes is due to the online sharing of images. <<

no, it probably isn't very related - probably i just wanted to say something about the fact that
when we share photos on line it's someone's work that we're enjoying
(real often without even bothering to credit the photographers, which must feel just great to them).
it can't make it any easier for photographers to get loads of publishers interested in issuing their work.

>> Of course photographers are trying to cash in on the fact that baby-boomers are spending thousands of dollars <<

yep!

>> I would be very upset if they published a cheaper version of the books I have, it wouldn't be right. <<

i can relate. i can't afford these great books, and would love it if editions i could afford were available,
but i do understand that the limited availability is a major part of what the publishers of these books promise to collectors.

and i don't see these books as a sign of the artists' greed/ego, any more than i see beautiful paintings that way.
i can't afford them. i wish i could. and i wish the Rolling Stones were my local pub band. but they're not.



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Damn right Ethan was in the right place at the right time, and thank god he was cos he's captured the last months of Brian's time with the stones and also one of the greatest tours.

I love the photos he's taken! Whether they are well done as actual photographs or not isn't important to me, I love them simply because of who he has photographed and when he took them. I wish he had his entire archive online, even small previews just to see exactly what he has.



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I got an answer from Ethan Russell, they are having server problems they are trying to fix.They definitely will ship internationally.

dunhill Wrote:
> I bought around the time I got 30, even thoug my
> very first Genesis Book was Masons Yard to
> Primerose Hill, wich I did buy in London back in
> 1995 or '96.

I bought this one at a huge bargain in the Virgin Megastore (in the Champs Elysees), back in 96...
They litterally gave it for less than 30£... I never understood why they did that! When I think about that, I should have bought all the stock!
That was good old times.

looks like a great book - one that I've been waiting a long time for....expensive? yes, but this guy stood behind the amps at Altamont.....

part of the issue is that most books are about knowledge and therefore it seems quite wrong to hoard them in the form of absurdly overpriced collectors' items. With books as "art," the issue changes somewhat. I'm sure I'd enjoy the pictures artistically, but I like many people interested in the stones probably am interested int the pictures more for visual information about the group, even if it's just a glimpse or a taste of atmosphere. And granted, this "information" may seem more relevant when it comes in the form of an artistically composed photo rather than a cell phone snap. Still, the claims of this material to high-priced art are dubious and even depressing. This isn't Picasso we're talking about, either as the artist (the photographer) or the subject (the stones). It just seems like a category mistake to anyone who sees rock music as a popular art form to be priced and fetishized in this way. And I do appreciate a well made book... but given the ripoff artists working around the music industry, is it even that?

The argument that free sharing of music or images cuts directly into the artists' income only works if everyone who got a free copy would have bought one. In my case, that's rarely so.

cc,

these are "art" books, not works of art.
Works of art are the original prints by the photographer that may cost you at least 5.000 €.

>> The argument that free sharing of music or images cuts directly into the artists' income
only works if everyone who got a free copy would have bought one. <<

... huh? the argument holds water if *any* number of people who would've bought one
forego it because they got it for free. it's pretty obvious that the more of those there are
the worse off the artist is, but saying it "doesn't work" unless it's "everyone" makes no sense.

>> This isn't Picasso we're talking about <<

no, and it isn't priced like a Picasso either.
there are lots of interesting questions raised by forms of visual art that are inherently reproducible,
but i don't know if i feel reproducibility means the artists are somehow obligated to make sure
we all get to own as many of their photos as we'd like ... i'll have to ponder that a while.



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This is pretty expensive indeed but very likely to increase in value quickly.

I'd love to purchase that print too by the way, what do you guys think?

[www.ethanrussell.com]