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Sometimes if you play with fire you get burned.

Looks like Jimmy Page stopped dying his hair

Jimmy's hair color almost matches mine.

Would love to see the Stones' natural hair colour these days. Ronnie would probably show totally bald....

although the Zep vaults have been open a little JP hasn't lost any thing because of boots.

>> JP hasn't lost any thing because of boots <<

well, apparently he feels he has, which counts more than any of our feelings.
it's not just a financial question - artists' right to decide what to share is worth something too
or anyway it ought to be

A very grey area for genuine fans of any artist I suppose.
many would hold that so long as you don't buy boots INSTEAD of official releases...it's cool. If you buy everything an artist releases in addition to all the stuff he hasn't ...you have not personally deprived him of any income .
Some might argue that if enough folks want to buy it to make the money an issue...it should be released officially. You can't have your bun and your halfpenny...even if you are Jimmy Page ;^)

>> Some might argue that if enough folks want to buy it to make the money an issue ... it should be released officially. <<

... whether the artist wants it released or not?
don't get me wrong - i own & love all kinds of material that i know i basically have no right to hear
(and am also one of those who makes sure to buy all the official releases) but
while excerising the wonderful human ability to justify just about anything we feel like doing,
it does seem worth recalling now and then that anyone - including artists we love - *should* be entitled
to decide what to release and what to keep to themselves, even if recalling that does make us uncomfortable.

there's also the puzzle of how to interest anyone in backing an official release
of material everyone knows damn well is widely circulating as a bootleg -
which is what Wooden Records is trying with the New Barbarians & Kilburn 74 releases.
i'm really rooting for the success of those experiments. have some popcorn.

Spud Wrote:
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> A very grey area for genuine fans of any artist I
> suppose.

Like Jimmy Page's hair

with sssoul Wrote:
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> "...anyone - including artists we love - *should* be
> entitled
> to decide what to release and what to keep to
> themselves, even if recalling that does make us
> uncomfortable."

good point, totally agree, but isn't playing songs live a way of 'releasing' them? Can't be anything wrong about concert bootlegs then.

>> isn't playing songs live a way of 'releasing' them? <<

hm well - i think that's a pretty good example of our ability to justify just about anything we feel like doing -
which i do as well, of course, so i'm just observing, not being judgemental or anything.
of course concert bootlegs aren't quite the same as the ones we got ahold of by rummaging around in their private belongings
for stuff they didn't mean *anyone* to hear, but there's definitely a difference
between playing a show and releasing it to the worldwide public.

Master tapes of live shows were stolen from his house years ago. You would be pissed off too.

Interesting section on Bootlegs and what they did first hand in the book: Peter Grant, The Man who Led Zeppelin.

trainarollin Wrote:
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> Master tapes of live shows were stolen from his
> house years ago. You would be pissed off too.

of course I'd be pissed of but I wasn't talking about stolen master tapes, I meant concert bootlegs. It's something very different if you mug master tapes or if someone records a concert for the purpose of sharing memories of a great night for fans.

Recording concerts - and circulate them is one of the most noble thing a person can do - concerning music....it's preserving for future.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2007-08-01 23:15 by Erik_Snow.

therollingmanu Wrote:
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> trainarollin Wrote:
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> -----
> > Master tapes of live shows were stolen from his
> > house years ago. You would be pissed off too.
>
> of course I'd be pissed of but I wasn't talking
> about stolen master tapes, I meant concert
> bootlegs. It's something very different if you mug
> master tapes or if someone records a concert for
> the purpose of sharing memories of a great night
> for fans.

Can't Page just summon up the spirit of Alestair Crowley and do some crazy black magic shit to those bootleggers? Sentence them to an enternity of ABBA concerts, that should do the trick.

"It wasn't my fault ... liquors drunkened me!" Homer Simpson

Erik_Snow Wrote:
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> Recording concerts - and circulate them is one of
> the most noble thing a person can do - concerning
> music....it's preserving for future.


that's what i'm talkin about.

If Page is so outraged against boots then maybe he should stay out of the boot shops in Japan.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2007-08-01 23:40 by 1cdog.

trainarollin Wrote:
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> Master tapes of live shows were stolen from his
> house years ago. You would be pissed off too.
>
> Interesting section on Bootlegs and what they did
> first hand in the book: Peter Grant, The Man who
> Led Zeppelin.


In fact Jimmy explained in an interview that his ex wife had taken the tapes when she left.. and sold (?) them

1cdog Wrote:
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> If Page is so outraged against boots then maybe he
> should stay out of the boot shops in Japan.


He's always had a love-hate relationship with bootlegs but always despised the bootleggers. I read somewhere that he was once given a copy of "Strange Tales From The Road" by a fan backstage during his solo tour and was beaming. He admired the complete documentation of the set. It's all we have, as fans, to listen to for some Zep years and tours.

In the mid-1980s Page made a statement about someone breaking into his London home and stealing many Zep concert masters. It was also about this time that many of those early Tour Over Europe 80 soundboards began coming out.

Fans will be fans. I need my Zeppelin fix just like everybody else does. When the good stuff is available I always buy it. But sometimes we have to settle for that street junk.