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and, no i don't think bob was star-struck - i think he was just completely uninspired and coasting (he says he was in his book) during this time. he had competent musicians to distract concert-goers in 84 and 86, so many didn't really even notice so much, i think.

Maybe the new "stadium-style" way of doing concerts in the 80s, by many bands, made Dylan think of his act as "an act" - and not something that would really *move* the few attending.
I think the sterile touch of performing Dylan did in 1984 has something to do what happened around him in the music-business at the time

interesting thought. prolly had something to do with it. bob and the 80's weren't meant for each other.

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I am a huge Dylan fan and was talking him up to my bride-to-be in 1988. We ended our wedding day with a Dylan/Petty show in Vancouver (Aug. 20, 1988). Imagine my disappointment went the show was awful and Dylan seemed like he would have preferred to be almost anywhere else. He redeemed himself in '93 with three magical shows at the Paramount Theatre in Seattle, one of which I took my wife to. So I guess I can't blame Bob entirely for our later divorce.

don't know much about your personal timeline, but i assume you meant 1986, not 1988. dylan didn't tour with tom in '88. the only bob/tom show in vancouver was august 1, 1986....maybe this was a different bride-to-be of yours?

You are wrong, sir. August 20, 1988 Vancouver with Tracy Chapman as the opener. I have witnesses.

ok - but he wasn't playing with petty - that was my point - and the vancouver show occurred on august 21, not 20....

You are correct, I apologize. Memory is a funny thing. I amy be mixing up the Vancouver show he played on our anniversary in 1990. I did see Dylan/Petty, but that was earlier.

it's not important, tele. there's a little gazza in me that seems to care about these things, i guess.

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Thats no way to talk about my todger!

well, it's one way....

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I am a huge Dylan fan and was talking him up to my bride-to-be in 1988. We ended our wedding day with a Dylan/Petty show in Vancouver (Aug. 20, 1988). Imagine my disappointment went the show was awful and Dylan seemed like he would have preferred to be almost anywhere else. He redeemed himself in '93 with three magical shows at the Paramount Theatre in Seattle, one of which I took my wife to. So I guess I can't blame Bob entirely for our later divorce.

don't know much about your personal timeline, but i assume you meant 1986, not 1988. dylan didn't tour with tom in '88. the only bob/tom show in vancouver was august 1, 1986....maybe this was a different bride-to-be of yours?

You are wrong, sir. August 20, 1988 Vancouver with Tracy Chapman as the opener. I have witnesses.

ok - but he wasn't playing with petty - that was my point - and the vancouver show occurred on august 21, not 20....

You are correct, I apologize. Memory is a funny thing. I amy be mixing up the Vancouver show he played on our anniversary in 1990. I did see Dylan/Petty, but that was earlier.

it's not important, tele. there's a little gazza in me that seems to care about these things, i guess.

It's really amazing that in my memory I conflated my wedding day (1988) with my anniversary (1990) and Dylan with Petty with Dylan without Petty. The mind is a terrible thing to waste.

I guess it's the Stones fan in me that enjoys this tour, not even really for taylor's playing, which I don't focus on, but for the general British rock'n'roll orientation of the whole band. But I can see the point that bob is not at his most engaged, and he has some of the almost childish phrasings that he would use on the Petty tour, which I definitely don't enjoy--there he seems annoyed by the audience at times, and lectures them about the greatness of Rick Nelson and other topics. But the '84 tour goes down real easy on my ears... maybe that's a problem, but it's sort of cool to answer the question, what if dylan were a straight-up rock singer?

then again, it's not nearly as interesting as something featuring Sly and Robbie might have been... or the Plugz.

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I guess it's the Stones fan in me that enjoys this tour, not even really for taylor's playing, which I don't focus on, but for the general British rock'n'roll orientation of the whole band. But I can see the point that bob is not at his most engaged, and he has some of the almost childish phrasings that he would use on the Petty tour, which I definitely don't enjoy--there he seems annoyed by the audience at times, and lectures them about the greatness of Rick Nelson and other topics. But the '84 tour goes down real easy on my ears... maybe that's a problem, but it's sort of cool to answer the question, what if dylan were a straight-up rock singer?

then again, it's not nearly as interesting as something featuring Sly and Robbie might have been... or the Plugz.

bob's appearance with the plugz - almost forgot about that one. that was a wild one-off....

Have a look at Dylan Live Aid with Richards and Wood, pathetic, maybe the legend outlived the man a long time ago.

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Have a look at Dylan Live Aid with Richards and Wood, pathetic, maybe the legend outlived the man a long time ago.

yeah, truly a defining moment, you're right ... the 25 years since then are meaningless.

>The lyrics mean nothing

Do you expect your opinion to be taken seriously after you write this about Bob Dylan? Really?

>Maybe the new "stadium-style" way of doing concerts in the 80s, by many bands, made Dylan think of his act as "an act"

I think he always had an "an act".

Consider:





(I was gonna post "Isis" but couldn't find it on youtube.)

Here's another good one from RENALDO & CLARA:







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>Maybe the new "stadium-style" way of doing concerts in the 80s, by many bands, made Dylan think of his act as "an act"

I think he always had an "an act".

Well, Yes - you are right. But the reason you are right is that I'm not that good at expressing myself in English. Of course Dylan has always been aware of him performance being an act.....even in the early 60s. But what I meant is that by 1984; Dylan might have been cynical about the whole way of doing a role in the music-business and putting on a "show" like if it was something comparable to a "tivoli" or something else without any real value, apart from entertaining the people...in other words...something he didn't care about, himself



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If he doesnt care that much, why does he pull everything from you tube, make it hard to get bootlegs, do you think it may be just about the money

I did this before with A Bigger Bang, but I think Mark Prindle really hit the nail on the head with this one;

[www.markprindle.com]

bad record.

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I did this before with A Bigger Bang, but I think Mark Prindle really hit the nail on the head with this one;

[www.markprindle.com]

bad record.

It is bad because it SOUNDS NOT LIKE A LIVE album. Try any bootlegs of that tour and you know what I mean.
It's no question of the song choice, of the musicians, of the arrangements.
It's the record company, the produvcer,the engineer, the masterer and whatever they think we, the consumers, want to hear, It's the 80s...

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If he doesnt care that much, why does he pull everything from you tube, make it hard to get bootlegs, do you think it may be just about the money

Dylan makes it 'hard to get bootlegs'? When?

Doubt he's much to do with the YouTube pulling either, to be honest.

"he pull(s) everything from Youtube, make it hard to get bootlegs, do you think it may be just about the money"

Hey you're dscribing Lars Ulrich from Metallica, right?

One doesn't have to look very hard to find Dylan boots on the Internet. All your regular bittorrent trackers seem to have 'em.