Geeeeez saturn....the problem wiv your copy
of Black & Blue is that Too Rude has jumped from the Dirty ship ....Wild



ROCKMAN

I think its good that it ends with the most rocking song on the album. It makes sense to me.



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Has anybody seen that pic of J.F.K. Jr. knocked to the ground in front of Studio 54 with that copy of Black and Blue that he was carrying next to him?

Coolest cover art ever.

>> Cherry Oh Baby <<

with those glorious yowling wildcat-in-heat harmonies - can't get enough!
(someone here once noted that Cherry Oh Baby is about the last Stones track where we hear
that kind of inimitable Glimmer Harmony, where Keith's just touching the lines with his voice
the way we love so much on the "big four albums". i'd never really considered it, but
yeah, that probably is right.)



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all this talk about Black N Blue makes me want to listen to it right now! but I cant, Im at work.

Shoot the boss...chuck on Black & Blue...spike the drink
fountain and turn the place into groovin...jivin' sweat pit....HEY Negrita...YEAH!!



ROCKMAN

What about the break in Hey Negrita where charlie does his impression of John Bonham.

the album arguably exhibits the greatest range of musical styles of any Stones album -- some disco, rock, balladry, soul, reggae.

Sort of a showcase of where they were then, which was kind of wandering in the wilderness between IORR and the about-turn of Some Girls.

Ket Wrote:
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> I think it is seriously underrated album, it is
> diverse and has more guts to it then GHS or IORR.
> Ok Fool to cry was a poor choice as a single but I
> don't hate it. I love Hey Negrita,Hot Stuff,Memory
> Hotel and Melody. Crazy Mama and Hand of Fate are
> very good rockers. The only bad track on it is
> cherie oh baby. compare it to IORR where you have
> alot of soft fluff 'Til the next goodbye',Time
> waits for no one and if you really want to be my
> friend. I cant stand any of those tracks. Black
> and Blue is by far the bands best effort between
> Exile and Some Girls.


Amost agree 100%...though Goats Head Soup is terrific.....only downside to B & B is it's too damn short, and could do without Cherry Oh baby. Anyone know if any other songs were slated for this record originally, but they ended up leaving any off?? thought I read that somewhere....Black & Blue very underrated....the musics mytee, mytee fine......HOT STUFFF!!!!!

Rockman Wrote:
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> Shoot the boss...chuck on Black & Blue...spike the
> drink
> fountain and turn the place into groovin...jivin'
> sweat pit....HEY Negrita...YEAH!!


thats the most refrehsing Idea Ive heard all week.

JaggerFan Wrote:
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> Black and Blue suffers from one thing - Cherry Oh
> Baby (worst cover - Charlie can't even drum reggae
> yet). Other than that, it's scorching!
>
> Songwriting?????
>
> This has been my beef with all post Undercover
> stuff - all those LP are self-concious and
> insincere, but from 1997 on, the songwriting took
> a lazy turn for the worst!!!
>
> Black and Blue has got 4 AMAZING fun, sexy tracks;
> Hot Stuff, Hand of Fate, Hey Negrita and Crazy
> Mama, two good ones, Memory Motel, Melody, and one
> which I don't care for too much but it was a hit
> nonetheless - Fool to Cry.


this album suffers from one thing : too short. could have been a 2LPset.

keep in mind : the rejected songs are : worried about you - slave - munich reggae - english rose - start me up

At the first listen, I didn't like this album. After a few spins... I LOVED IT !!!

Hey Negrita is my fav. Love Mick's shades.

Forty Niks Wrote:
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> why? FTC is a heart-wrenching soul ballad with
> GREAT vox from Mick and, i think, some really
> wonderful lyrics. (actually, the lyrics on most
> black and blue songs are quite good)

Yes, this is an excellent song, and with one of the best endings in a Stones song ever.


JaggerFan Wrote:
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> Black and Blue suffers from one thing - Cherry Oh
> Baby (worst cover - Charlie can't even drum reggae
> yet). Other than that, it's scorching!


I've never understood why people hate this song, it's fun, it's groovy, it's great!


I think there is nothing wrong with Black And Blue at all, and I rather like the 70's sound on stuff like Memory Motel, Fool To Cry, Hot Stuff, etc.

It's great for Keith's background, umm...vocals, lol

Haristone Wrote:
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english rose



Pardon me for going off-topic, but does this song exist in a longer length than 1:20?

I always got the feeling that they spent more time on the cover than they did the music.

yes - mick and keith are recording every minute of work since 1973. becfause of norfolk 72.

BUT i only have the circulating tapes from 1975. that mean the rotterdam tapes that you probbly have too. it's enough to understand that english rose should have been a "one of a kind" song. sorry for my english.

Rockman Wrote:
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> Shoot the boss...chuck on Black & Blue...spike the
> drink
> fountain and turn the place into groovin...jivin'
> sweat pit....HEY Negrita...YEAH!!


HAHAHA you're killing me.....

_____________________________________________________

What's your favourite flavour?...........Cherry Red!!

Haristone Wrote:
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> yes - mick and keith are recording every minute of
> work since 1973. becfause of norfolk 72.
>
> BUT i only have the circulating tapes from 1975.
> that mean the rotterdam tapes that you probbly
> have too. it's enough to understand that english
> rose should have been a "one of a kind" song.
> sorry for my english.


Haristone--your English is fine, there is no need for you to apologize for it--ever--your seem to have no trouble communicating what you want to say. My question is---What do you mean about Norfolk '72?

Haristone Wrote:
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> yes - mick and keith are recording every minute of
> work since 1973. becfause of norfolk 72.
>
> BUT i only have the circulating tapes from 1975.
> that mean the rotterdam tapes that you probbly
> have too. it's enough to understand that english
> rose should have been a "one of a kind" song.
> sorry for my english.


What happened at Norfolk 72? I'm assuming this was a concert, and I know very little about their live dates.


It's short and unfinished, but I think it has quite a bit of potential.

Good call, Wrong--checked it out, they played there July 5, 1972.

So, I take it they were recording that show and something happened or they didn't record that show.

Glass Slide Wrote:
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> Haristone Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > yes - mick and keith are recording every minute
> of
> > work since 1973. becfause of norfolk 72.
> >
> > BUT i only have the circulating tapes from
> 1975.
> > that mean the rotterdam tapes that you probbly
> > have too. it's enough to understand that
> english
> > rose should have been a "one of a kind" song.
> > sorry for my english.
>
>
> Haristone--your English is fine, there is no need
> for you to apologize for it--ever--your seem to
> have no trouble communicating what you want to
> say. My question is---What do you mean about
> Norfolk '72?

after leaving the stage at Norfolk 1972, after playing one of their best concert ever, (and all of them agreed) the stones suddenly realized they have to record everything, just to remember, just to HAVE A PROFFESSIONAL RECORDING - i think Bill have a lot to do with that.

after that, since 1973 all the shows were recorded on multitrack tapes.

since 1981 all the shows were filmed.

since 1970 or 1971 every minute of studio was recorded.

that's just logical.

and don't ask for the tapes.. i'm not an insider. just a fan/collector

the songs are too disjointed..no continuity.

the shoot 'em dead, brainbell jangler!

with sssoul Wrote:
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> >> Cherry Oh Baby <<
>
> with those glorious yowling wildcat-in-heat
> harmonies - can't get enough!
> (someone here once noted that Cherry Oh Baby is
> about the last Stones track where we hear
> that kind of inimitable Glimmer Harmony, where
> Keith's just touching the lines with his voice
> the way we love so much on the "big four albums".
> i'd never really considered it, but
> yeah, that probably is right.)



yeah, i get that.. maybe the last trace i can identify is "worried about you"

and i ccan tell you,evry minute of the 73 tour have been recorded.

> > Haristone Wrote:
> >
> ---------------------------------->
> after leaving the stage at Norfolk 1972, after
> playing one of their best concert ever, (and all
> of them agreed) the stones suddenly realized they
> have to record everything, just to remember, just
> to HAVE A PROFFESSIONAL RECORDING - i think Bill
> have a lot to do with that.
>
> after that, since 1973 all the shows were recorded
> on multitrack tapes.
>
> since 1981 all the shows were filmed.
>
> since 1970 or 1971 every minute of studio was
> recorded.
>
> that's just logical.
>
> and don't ask for the tapes.. i'm not an insider.
> just a fan/collector


Fair enough--I won't ask.

It is logical, never heard that one before. And, yes, can definitely see where Bill being the "collector" in the band, would be the one pushing for that policy.

i love this album... not sure why all the whining about it..

it sounds great and its got better songs than it gets credit

and i love memory motel if only for the superb keith vocal on that one line...

yes bill is the collector.

in france there was one "paper" collector, his name, christian fiot. i remember early april 1985, at pathé, he said to bill my name is christian fiot, i sent you a lot of copies of old magazines.

bill : yeah i remember that. they spent a few minutes speaking togehter.

it was not a fan speaking to one of his hero. it was historia, one historian to another historian.

salut christian je pense que tu viens de temps en temps ici. c'est comme ça que je m'en rappelle. c'est tellement vieux, aussi. mes salutations. haristoy

stoned_in_dc Wrote:
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> i love this album... not sure why all the whining
> about it..
>
> it sounds great and its got better songs than it
> gets credit
>
> and i love memory motel if only for the superb
> keith vocal on that one line...


YES---STONED--we are in total agreement---Memory is a GREAT song and a large part of what makes it great is Keith's vocal.

Wait... Haristone...did you work at Pathe?