Mofur,

I was just wondering if writing in a different language (Chinese or something else ?) would have been more effective. It wasn't actually meant as a personal attack, just the result of getting frustrated with talking to deaf ears.

And I did read your previous post about speculating. As With Ssoul said before it's possible that not everyone is speculating.
If you are against speculating it seemed a little strange you would take an excerpt from the rather long clarification I wrote (the precise object of this was to stop people on this board from making the wrong assumptions), only to come back to the same conclusion (assumption) that what Taylor is still complaining about is not getting credit on the songs he co-wrote.

This just made me wonder if you had even taken note of what I had just pointed out.
Plus by saying he should have shut up and put up with everything you seemed to imply it's okay for the Stones not to pay his royalties over Get Yer Ya Ya's Out through to IORR in retaliation for him walking out on them ?

MLC- so I take it you admit that those people didn't say what you implied.

With the Taylor being better than other people thing I don't see a point ranking guitarists and saying who is better than another person, everyone has their own style and plays differently. If you dig the music they create thats all that really matters.

MT is a blues journeyman. No greater proof can be his decision to go out on his own and play his own music and the music of others who he admires.

His solos on songs like TWFNO transcend time. If he never played another note, what he has achieved far outshines many.

I saw a recent documentary where he said he still doesn't regret having left the Stones. And I for one am glad he did.

When I listen to his music, I hear an incredible amount of honesty and authenticity. These are qualities which I don't hear in the music of the Stones anymore.

MCDDTLC Wrote:
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> Sorry Yap - Keith isn't a fraction of the guitar
> player Taylor is!!
> who says: Jagger, Charlie, Wyman, Clapton, me,
> OpenG - for a few..
>
> MLC


There is no way you can tell me that you really believe that Taylor is better than Keith.Think about it,all those classic riffs he created for the last 43 years.Taylor couldn't come up with anything as creative as what Keith has.Mick Taylor isn't fit to tune the Human Riff's guitar!

And I don't care who says.We all know that OpenG holds up a Mick Taylor poster everynight with one hand and,well, you could go blind doing that sort of thing.Thats why he only has eyes for MT.

Who cares what Eric Clapton has to say about anything?Its not like I'm going to say"Oh dear,Eric says Keith isn't the guitarist Taylor is,so I must jump on board and change my opinion."When Clapton makes me smile the way Keith does,I'll listen.Till then Eric Clapton can bite me.

And you,MLC,uh,who the hell are you?Are you qualified to make to make these staements?Do you play guitar?Do you even own a guitar?

Pleased to meet you......

Good to see MLC surpassing himself again. Absolutely corking!!

How do the Stones ever manage witout MT???

>> for the Stones not to pay his royalties over Get Yer Ya Ya's Out
through to IORR in retaliation <<

if it's okay to get back to trying to sort out the facts here ...
the Stones don't own the rights to Get Your YaYas Out - ABKCO does.
i don't understand how the Stones could play any part in withholding or paying anyone's royalties from YaYas
or from any other ABKCO-owned material.

i also don't understand how the Stones could withhold one person's royalties from sales of the albums he played on -
do you mean the publishing company and/or the various record companies have persistently failed to report
the real sales figures for those albums? but that of course would affect more than one person's royalties,
so ... [scratching head] ... i'd love to understand the mechanisms that you're saying are at work here.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2007-02-01 17:11 by with sssoul.

YIP YAP - I gave my poster of MT wearing his tongue shirt from the 1972 tour to my kids. You offer nothing as usual.

play that guitar boy

everybody stay cool...

take a chill pill...

tempers are flaring...

i think we should be able to establish a concensus that mick taylor is treated shabbily by the rolling stones....

the example of the grateful dead comes to mind.... in the early 70s mickey hart's father i believe was managing their money and he ran out with some money or otherwise screwed the band.. mickey hart left over this situation...for a few years.. then he joined up again.....no hard feelings really..

with the stones its like once mick taylor left he became absolutely nothing....the one time he played with them apparently keith got pissed off that mick taylor was turned up in the mix..give me a break...

lets not even talk about how they've reduced mick taylor's contributions..they'llh ave us believe he didn't do jack..give me a break... keith with his invented concept of "weaving"..

mick taylor at the very least should get a lifetime pension from stones org... they can fund it with sales of a mick taylor concert t shirt or something.

Show me one article recently that states MT is upset, hard done by or skint? Its been over 30 years since HE left the band. Why should he now be on a pension? If he's skint go play?????

>> i think we should be able to establish a consensus <<

i'd be a lot happier establishing what the facts are first -
which may not be possible, especially since the financial details are none of our business,
but why people get so het up (and so judgemental) over things they're just speculating about
is really baffling.

Very well said !

thank you spud!

stoned_in_dc Wrote:
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> mick taylor at the very least should get a
> lifetime pension from stones org... they can fund
> it with sales of a mick taylor concert t shirt or
> something.


That is the stupidest thing I've read in a long time.Why can't you people understand that he left the band and its his own fault what happens to him?Should Jagger/Richards babysit him too?Should there be a hotline directly to Mick and Keith so they can wipe his butt when he takes a crap?

Pleased to meet you......

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> With the Taylor being better than other people
> thing I don't see a point ranking guitarists and
> saying who is better than another person, everyone
> has their own style and plays differently. If you
> dig the music they create thats all that really
> matters.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAMEN.

Here's hoping this thread doesn't reach the dizzy-heights of the 52 pages, that is the, iorr t-shirt thread.

Good point...everyone stay cool and lets just discuss.........

Taylor was paid about $50K US in 1981/1982....this is from interviews and from someone that is in the music business, this money was paid as a result for his seeking legal advice regarding the royalties from Tattoo You. He did not sue the Stones. MT has not received much in the form of royalties from the Stones and that is what his issue is ( MT is quoted as saying "I played on some of the biggest selling records and I do not get paid...)

Yes..he regrets quitting but how many of us would actually want to admit for everyone to see what a mistake he made. He has his pride just like we do. MT even said on the Morning Zoo radio show in 1986 to John DeBella that "in his darker moments he has regretted very much his decision". Bill Wyman and Charlie Watts have also said in interviews that MT basically asked to rejoin in the mid 70's.

The problem with MT is that his serious addictions have made him unreliable as far as being a band member or someone to tour with. I live in Bucks County PA in the states, I have many friends in local bands even some that have opened for MT (The Ambler Cabaret, Chestnut Cabaret and other venues) When MT would tour in the 80's he would not always have a backup band and he would hire musicians such as when he played Joe Pops or the venue that used to be across the brige in Jersey. The musicians would always rave about his playing but they also would say that he was such a major talent playing in bars.......what a waste......but he could not get himself together physically. Remember...Dylan himself stated this on the record and so did Mayall and Carla Olson who pleaded with MT to get help for his herion and cocaine problems.

I do not worship the Stones, I love their music such as Mathjis has stated. I met MT more than a few times and sometimes he was wasted (Chestnut Cabaret...) and sometimes he was very nice. His road manager Claude actually would say to people "please do not mention the Stones and if you do do not ask why he quit".

Sorry for being long winded but I get so tired of all the MT fat jokes (he is fat from lack of care and from detox after years of hard drug abuse, I have a family member in the same state plus alcoholism) plus all the Ronnie bashing. Ronnie should just keep his mouth shut as he was paid a salary for over 20 years, does that not make him a real Stone as he is always saying that MT was not?

I love this board but please lets respect each other and try to enlighten each other and not insult or put down other points of view.

Mathjis, When I paint my masterpiece...your thoughts??

Hi Beast... hope we can cross paths again at another Stones theater show, what a night...

ok maybe the pension is a bad idea...

i guess what i'm getting at is that his work with the stones is so critical..so important that he should have a guaranteed revenue stream for it...i used the word pension..but it need not be a pension..it could be annual royalties..but whatever its called he should - ever year- have an income for his past work.. everytime ya yas or exile or sticky fingers or what have you sell, every time they play songs he was originally on....well he should get something out of it.. at least i think thats fair....perhaps the stones have indeed bought him out and they don't have to do this..but i think they should...

Adrian-L Wrote:
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> Here's hoping this thread doesn't reach the
> dizzy-heights of the 52 pages, that is the, iorr
> t-shirt thread.


I can throw out some more unadulterated crap and it may reach 75 pages.

Pleased to meet you......

>> MT has not received much in the form of royalties from the Stones and that is what his issue is
( MT is quoted as saying "I played on some of the biggest selling records and I do not get paid...) <<

i asked this already, but: how does this work? you're talking about royalties that the recording artist
gets from the sale of records, right? (anyway WIPMM says songwriting credits/royalties are not the issue).
i take it you're not saying the royalties Mick T duly receives from the Stones-owned catalogue
simply don't amount to very much, but rather that he is not receiving all the royalties he's legally owed.
so how does that happen, exactly? is he saying that the record companies and/or publishing company
haven't been reporting the real sales figures for these albums? that would have implications
beyond the question of one musician's royalties, of course, so ... [scratching head] ...

and stoned_in_dc, i posted this link before but you might really get something out of it: [www.howstuffworks.com]
WIPMM has noted that this explanation applies to the US system, which is of course not universal,
but it gives some kind of picture of the way various types of royalties work.



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Stonesfrk - I love to jump n people who use that STUPID argument:

Look at how much money Keith has made, or Jimmy Page,etc.

Like that's the barometer for good music, you really know your stuff!!!
In was just stating my OPINION and others that there are few guitarist out
there who are at Taylor's level, Clapton wasn't a good enough reference?
How about Stevie Wonder's band in 1972, the BEST of the Black Session musicians
they were all laughing about these British White guys thinking they can come over to the States and paly Blues music. The ONLY member of the band (Stones)
that stopped them in their tracks was: Mick Taylor

I'll take their word for it over yours..

Yap - With you I won't even bother..

MLC

come on everybody stay cool!

i think mick taylor is a genius... an incredible guitar player...

i like keith richards but i don' think of him so much as an incredible guitar player but more as an incredible songwriter...

they're both great guitar players but in different ways...

when the stones got mick taylor it was because they wanted an incredible guitar player.... in fact he was too good and i think it fed keith's insecurity... although keith's guitar playing blossomed, to my ears, with mick taylor pushing him to be better... it stands to reason..its like when i play tennis with my girlfriend.. she sucks so my tennis game goes down..when i play with someone who is BETTER than me my game improves.... thats what happened with keith who never played as well as he did 69-73.... anyways, keith eventually threw in the towel to concentrate fulltime on scoring and doing drugs.... we know what happened next..

MLC you still didn't address my post to you. I guess you were talking BS.

And what you said about Stevie and his band is also not true. Have you ever heard him talk about how much they were impressed by Mick and Keith. There is an interview with Stevie during the 72-73 time period when he talks about this.

Again please show me something that says that Stevie and his band where laughing at these white boys coming playing their music. I think you makes all these things up.. Please show me something that backs up some of these statements you say people make. Cause I never know where you get some of these from and you never tell us.

yah show it! or close it!

MLC!!! MLC! MLC! MLC!!!!!!!! WE WANT MLC!

Taking bets on how polite MLC can keep it?

Any offers?......

i worry too.. but i think he's going to come through... he might fake left but ultimately he'll keep it to the straight and narrow...i predict an 8 on politeness perhaps with the ocassional minor sucker punch to the plexus...

but where is MLC????

MLC! MLC!

SHOW US THE GOODS BUDDY!

Blimey, your generous! Odds on he'll have a 'pop' somewhere......

yap yap Wrote:

> That is the stupidest thing I've read in a long
> time.Why can't you people understand that he left
>

What proofs: You don't read what you write.

Hound Dog Wrote:
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> Hi Beast... hope we can cross paths again at
> another Stones theater show, what a night...

Hi Hound Dog - we will, we will! Keep the faith...

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> yap yap Wrote:
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> > That is the stupidest thing I've read in a long
> > time.Why can't you people understand that he
> left
> >
>
> What proofs: You don't read what you write.

still trying to understand this one....

did you mean to write "POOFS"? as in "what poofs"?

i don't think sexual orientation has anything to do with this mr. rknuth.